Disney Ship Color

[tvguy]

Do you know what the status of the SS France (aka Norway) is? Last I heard it was iffy whether she would be saved or scraped. I sailed her too, 15 years ago as the Norway.

Here is the latest on the "Norway", formerly the "France", now known as "The Blue Lady". Still in one piece, locked in a huge legal battle. We sailed her as the Norway in 1983 and again in 1985. Those were my wife's first and second cruises (my second and third), and the ship that got my wife hooked on cruising. Amazing how the cruise industry has changed since then. Less expensive to cruise, more family oriented on the plus side. And unlike now, all the singers and comics on board the Norway were "name" entertainers, folks you had seen on "The Tonight Show", and "The Late Night With David Letterman", and Las Vegas, not the lounge lizards now on board the ships.

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'Permission for beaching of Blue Lady illegal'
[ 26 Feb, 2007 2215hrs ISTPTI ]


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NEW DELHI: The NGO opposing dismantling of the controversial toxic-laden Norwegian ship, 'S S Norway' on Monday contended before the Supreme Court that permission given to it for beaching at Alang coast in Gujarat was illegal.

In a reply to the affidavit filed by Gujarat Pollution Control Board, the NGO, Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Natural Resource Policy, said the beaching permission given to the ship, popularly known as 'Blue Lady', was in violation of the order of the apex court.

The NGO said that before arrival at the port the ship did not have the consent of the concerned authority on the State Maritime Board as it did not contain any hazardous waste.

A Bench comprising Justice Arijit Pasayat and Justice S H Kapadia, which had earlier ordered that dismantling of the ship, beached at Alang coast, will not take place without its clearance, posted the further hearing on the issue for March 12.

The court said that besides the issue of breaking of ship it will also hear the arguments for laying down general guidelines for it.

Meanwhile, the NGO alleged the entire series of action starting from voyage to India to anchoring and beaching was impermissible and was in violation of the provisions of the Basel Convention.

"The ship on December 26 was admittedly anchored at a distance of 4,000 feet from the shore and was at a distance sufficient for it to be taken back," it said adding the ship owner never made any application to the Ministry of Environment and Forest and to concerned authorities before sailing towards India.

 

[bevtoy]

Judge the color .......

 

[HawkeyeGal]

bevtoy - great picture! I couldn't get a good shot of Goofy when we sailed, what are the chances I could get a high quality copy of that pic via e-mail? TIA!

 

[bevtoy]

bevtoy - great picture! I couldn't get a good shot of Goofy when we sailed, what are the chances I could get a high quality copy of that pic via e-mail? TIA!

This is terrible but I don't even know where the picture came from. I have a collection of Disney related pictures that anyone can go view or copy if they like, I can not claim most of them as mine, just a collection of stuff I saw, liked and collected for fun. The ocean pics are mine ........but I digress.help yourself!
http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i77/ksoccerfreakg/Disney Cruise/
If you PM me I will try to send the picture as a e-mail file if it helps.

 

[Skuba2]

What if I told you guys you were all right? LOL

According to my Disney Magic book given to us on our first cruise by the concierge team, the hull is "87 percent black, the rest blue." It says they thought the traditional black was too sinister looking and drepressing. It goes on to say how the ship will virtually change colors depending on the time of day and weather.

I do know they had to get special permission for the lifeboat color so it would "match" Mickey's---not sure what exactly. LOL!! Is 40 too old to have "senior moments"?

Any which way---it is a beautiful ship.

DG

 

[beachblanket]

Thank goodness..one titanic is enough

Comparing a ship built with "late Victorian" technology in 1911 (the Titanic) to the 1930's + ladies I discussed is like comparing a 1983 Sony walkman to an iPod. And as far as build quality, I'll take the S.S. France any day over any current cruise ship. The France sailed for over three decades without losing a single passenger.

 

[bicker]

That we know about.

I'd take the cruise ship that rolled off the assembly line yesterday over any cruise ship of the past. The extent to which the newer ships facilitate and support the very state-of-the-art in crusing entertainment and cruise ship amenities is worth double or triple the ambiance of a bygone era.

 

[beachblanket]

That we know about.

I'd take the cruise ship that rolled off the assembly line yesterday over any cruise ship of the past. The extent to which the newer ships facilitate and support the very state-of-the-art in crusing entertainment and cruise ship amenities is worth double or triple the ambiance of a bygone era.

Except to those of us who were lucky enough to experience said gracious ambiance, before it was replaced by crammed airliners serving stale peanuts. Yes, chuckle all you want at the real thing, but it's something most of you will never know...and one that dining rooms full of shorts and leisure suits and "showrooms" playing recorded music will never replicate.

 

[bicker]

Why replicate what people don't appreciate? Here's a great analogy IIDSSM: Some of the so-called "greatest" movies ever made were made before I was born. Why do I choose to subscribe to HBO, given that they principally show newer films? Because they're better that the "greatest" movies ever made. That's why. Things that were good "in their time" were indeed good in their time, and indeed may have been closer to the ideal of their day than today's offerings are close to the ideal of today. However, that doesn't mean that the ideal of some bygone era is necessarily better than something which is perhaps not the ideal of today. Something mediocre today could be better than the ideal of yesterday, and indeed that's often the case.

 

[christyeb7]

We were on the New Year's Eve Wonder cruise. We took the behind the scenes entertainment tour (I think that's what it was called). And they told us that the reason why the ship was painted really dark BLUE was because there is a myth or something that if a ship is painted BLACK it will sink!! So if that is true, then I'm kinda glad it's painted super dark blue!!

 

[beachblanket]

Why do I choose to subscribe to HBO, given that they principally show newer films? Because they're better that the "greatest" movies ever made.

Well, to each their own. If some want to feel that "Gone With The Wind" (1939), "It's A Wonderful Life" (1946) or "West Side Story" (1961) are all archaic, outdated, stale and fatigued compared to all the wonderful state-of-the-art cinema released last year (you know, memorable, deeply engaging productions like "Little Man " or "Snakes On A Plane""), they're entitled.

And I'll keep my subscription to Turner Classics.

 

[bicker]

There were some really horrible films released in 1939, 1946 and 1961. I think it is rather disingenuous to compare multiple Oscar winners from those years with some of the more horrible films of 2006, instead of comparing those old films to recent Cannes and Oscar winners. Perhaps you aren't aware of the wonderful cinema being created today?

 

[thegales]

Back to the topic at hand...

Our porthole window on deck 2 had a slight smidge of paint on it from when they were repainting the hull. We could definitely see that it was a dark blue and not a black.

 

[Regina]

If you want to debate movies, please take it to the community board.

Thank you.

 

[bicker]

Understood -- it was just an analogy: The point was that old is not necessarily better. Ships have amenities and entertainment options today that simply weren't possible in older ships, and the things that older ships had that newer ships don't are almost all things that passengers in general don't value as much as the enhancements. Sorry for piloting the thread off course.

 

[beachblanket]

and the things that older ships had that newer ships don't are almost all things that passengers in general don't value as much as the enhancements.

I aslo apologize for taking this on the vintage vs. new tangent. The analogy comment is appreciated, but the comparison described is erroneous. My point was not that "older is always better," it was that a level of grace and refinement has sadly disappeared. Generalizing that no one cares about that is where I and another poster apparently have a strong difference of opinion.

One that neither party is going to change.

So, back to the original subject: notably, the press release Disney just used to announce the two new ships contained the following statement:

"Similar to the original Disney Cruise Line ships, the new ships will be a modern interpretation of classic ocean liners of the 1930s."

So I stand redeemed. The DCL vessels are intended to be an homage (albeit one that is limited solely to some superficial exterior elements) to the specific "Golden Age of Transatlantic liners" era I previously mentioned.

 

[jrabbit]

Color of the ship question: "Why not Black?" Answer: because Michael Eisner didn't like the thought of the ship being painted BLACK. So they came up with this mostly black color that has a blue tint to it and Black is not a part of its name. So the imagineers "snuck" (sneaked) one past him

Why are "all" of the other cruise liners White?Because of the less expensive operating costs. In the Caribbean (where most ships are) the weather is typically sunny and very warm to hot. The white ships reflect more of the sun's heat away from the ship and the darker colors absorb more of the heat. Less heat from the sun getting into the ship, the less air conditioning is needed and therefore less expense (you know that really long extension cord that's plugged in some where has to be paid for along with the electricity it delivers )

Another Question: Why do the other new cruise ships look like floating milk cartons? Because that maximizes the interior space that is used for rooms and shopping and casinos -- in other words more room for more money to be made on each sailing. The Magic and Wonder with their longer bows and not as blunt afts do not have as much usable interior room as the other ships.

So now you know some of the reason we pay more for a DCL cruise than we do on some of the other lines.

 

[bicker]

and the things that older ships had that newer ships don't are almost all things that passengers in general don't value as much as the enhancements.

My point was not that "older is always better," it was that a level of grace and refinement has sadly disappeared. Generalizing that no one cares about that is where I and another poster apparently have a strong difference of opinion.

Well, to be fair, I didn't say "no one cares". I was pretty specific that "passengers in general don't value as much..." Without my equivocations, the statement isn't correct, but without my equivocations it isn't my statement.

Hopefully we can agree, at least, about that, or at least agree to disagree about it.

Regardless, I think passengers in general like the idea of the ship being imagined as a modern interpretation of classic ocean liners, but are probably (again, in general) pretty happy that that's just a matter of the paint colors and an extra (fake) steamship funnel.

 

[Skuba2]

You should try mixing the color with your kids' paints if you want to see the results. You can even mix a "faux" black using burnt umber ( a brown/red) and a ultramarine blue. We use it in art class because it doesn't "dull out" the other colors it is added to like straight black. The blue adds just enough vibrancy to allow the color to look different under certain conditions. You can see exactly what color you mixed (87 percent black and the rest blue) by adding white to it and see if you get grey (which would be from black) or more of a blue/grey (which would be a result of the blue.)

Either way, the ship is beautiful and distinctive.

I would love to go back in time and take a ride on an old ocean liner. The atmosphere must have been so different. You have to remember, travel back then was a BIG deal---transportation and not so much a destination. I am one who wouldn't mind just taking a cruise to nowhere. Just let the ship loose on the sea and keep us in smooth waters.

DG

 

[birkner]

You should try mixing the color with your kids' paints if you want to see the results. You can even mix a "faux" black using burnt umber ( a brown/red) and a ultramarine blue. We use it in art class because it doesn't "dull out" the other colors it is added to like straight black. The blue adds just enough vibrancy to allow the color to look different under certain conditions. You can see exactly what color you mixed (87 percent black and the rest blue) by adding white to it and see if you get grey (which would be from black) or more of a blue/grey (which would be a result of the blue.)

Either way, the ship is beautiful and distinctive.

I would love to go back in time and take a ride on an old ocean liner. The atmosphere must have been so different. You have to remember, travel back then was a BIG deal---transportation and not so much a destination. I am one who wouldn't mind just taking a cruise to nowhere. Just let the ship loose on the sea and keep us in smooth waters.

DG

My grandparents often sailed to the UK on the old ocean liners. My grandmother would pack the steamer trunks at home which would be delivered to the ship. My grandfather's car would be load on to the ship for driving about and for visits to other family members in the UK. It is sure fun to look at all the pictures they took, to see the dining menus and dance cards from a long ago cruise era.