Disney Security Run-in

[civileng68]

I think the security guard did a stupid thing. He is a security guard for Disney. He was driving on Disney property. You never know why people stop their cars. There could have been a problem. Instead of trying to see what the problem was, he honked his horn.

Having said that, I think it was stupid to "chase" him. If he were going 70mph, you had to be going that fast too. Otherwise you wouldn't have got his van #. That just puts other drivers at risk.

Oh, you are EXACTLY correct. It was completely stupid on my end, and trust me, my wife was in the passenger seat letting me know about it the WHOLE TIME.

Im normally the guy telling my wife to let things go. I am so mellow it's rediculous and Im the biggest avoider of controversy on the earth. I just HATE IT!

However, I think I completely had enough after he laid on the horn so long and I realize after I went that I really put my life and my wife's life in danger by going through there because I stupidly got too nervous. If it were a common passenger vehicle that did that to me I likely would have avoided any confrontation but when I saw that it was Disney security I just knew that was unacceptable and that there job was to AVOID things EXACTLY like that and to keep accidents from happening.

Was it stupid on my part, absolutely , but I was on a mission and well, we all know how we get "sometimes" when we've just had enough.

 

[DrTomorrow]

First, to the OP: exactly how long was he laying on the horn - and how long were you stopped (without a stop sign) at this intersection. I can see the need to slow down or even stop if you fear that traffic on the other road isn't slowing, but after a few seconds the situation should have resolved itself (the other car stopped or the other car went past you). I guess that the actual details of the situation seem (at least to me) odd enough to justify a honk on the horn, particularly in this age of clueless cell-phoning drivers. (I've always been told that walking up to a stopped vehicle is one of the most dangerous unknown situations a law enforcement officer can experience - no wonder that the first step might be a toot on the horn for a vehicle that is stopped for no apparent reason).

Second, has the final disposition of this situation been made known to anyone? OK, so "wonderful" Diane at Disney Security listened to the OP, called back a few times, asked for an email and said 'we don't stand for this sort of thing'. But that - in my cynical opinion - is what many MANY people who deal with public (including gov't spokespeople, restaurant managers & car salesmen) have to say: "Yes sir. Sorry sir. We're looking into it. We'll handle it." I just wonder if Diane told Mr. Horn-Honker, "Hey, Harry. I just got a call that said you honked your horn and went over the limit. I calmed the guy down, and I realize that you deal with hundreds of clueless drivers every day, but next time, flip on the lights, walk up to the car and see what the problem is."

If I am stopped behind someone at an intersection, where the car ahead of me has no visible reason to stop, and it's more than a few seconds, I will honk the horn. If I see a Law Enforcement vehicle speeding, I would never speed after it, for any reason - the possible risk to human life, to me, outweighs any urge to play "Gotcha!"

IMHO - YMMV

 

[civileng68]

First, to the OP: exactly how long was he laying on the horn - and how long were you stopped (without a stop sign) at this intersection. I can see the need to slow down or even stop if you fear that traffic on the other road isn't slowing, but after a few seconds the situation should have resolved itself (the other car stopped or the other car went past you). I guess that the actual details of the situation seem (at least to me) odd enough to justify a honk on the horn, particularly in this age of clueless cell-phoning drivers. (I've always been told that walking up to a stopped vehicle is one of the most dangerous unknown situations a law enforcement officer can experience - no wonder that the first step might be a toot on the horn for a vehicle that is stopped for no apparent reason).

Second, has the final disposition of this situation been made known to anyone? OK, so "wonderful" Diane at Disney Security listened to the OP, called back a few times, asked for an email and said 'we don't stand for this sort of thing'. But that - in my cynical opinion - is what many MANY people who deal with public (including gov't spokespeople, restaurant managers & car salesmen) have to say: "Yes sir. Sorry sir. We're looking into it. We'll handle it." I just wonder if Diane told Mr. Horn-Honker, "Hey, Harry. I just got a call that said you honked your horn and went over the limit. I calmed the guy down, and I realize that you deal with hundreds of clueless drivers every day, but next time, flip on the lights, walk up to the car and see what the problem is."

If I am stopped behind someone at an intersection, where the car ahead of me has no visible reason to stop, and it's more than a few seconds, I will honk the horn. If I see a Law Enforcement vehicle speeding, I would never speed after it, for any reason - the possible risk to human life, to me, outweighs any urge to play "Gotcha!"

IMHO - YMMV

Well first of all, as a security officer, he shouldn't be beeping at anyone for practicing caution.

The guy laid on his horn for several seconds until I took the risk and went.

Regarding the car coming, it was not at the stop sign but at a place where it should have been slowing but was not. I dont think the other driver realized there was a stop sign until much later.

The point is, if it was someone else who didn't understand the situation (normal passenger vehicle) It wouldn thave upset me as much.

However, if you are familiar with this intersection you know what Im talking about. Also I know for a fact that Disney security who travels this area is very familiar with what I was feeling.

the problem was the guy was hot r0dding and wanting to play around in a company vehicle.

Again, remember he is an employee of Disney in charge of traffic security. He had no right to do what he did.

 

[xmelissax]

I definately think chasing someone is much more potentially harmful and irresponsible than honking at someone, be it a small beep or laying on the horn. Honking can't hurt anyone, what you did could. The bottom line is you were both wrong, and you don't really have too much room to sit in judgement of him when you acted equally as stupid. Yes he was wrong, and yes he shouldn't have done that, but neither should you. I just don't see any point in complaning about what someone did that was so wrong, when you did something equally,if not more wrong as well.

 

[dazndon]

Let me see if I have this straight. It is okay to stop in the middle of the road, without warning, if you are in a car. It is not okay to stop in the middle of a walkway, if you are walking around WDW. If you do ,beware of the "sacred strollers", they do not take kindly to people stopping in front of them.

So remember. while driving a motor vehicle, OK to stop anywhere you want.
While walking, don't even think about stopping, you will suffer stroller rams, evil eye, and verbal abuse.

 

[TSR6]

Also:

He MAY have meant to just toot the horn. My personal truck toots just fine, a nice polite "hey, you can go...." where as my dad's work Chevy horn actually sticks, and sounds as if you are laying on it when you are in all reality, only trying to toot it.

You don't know his intentions, and I know that intersection very well. A LOT of people will litterally stop there, and sit there. I have had the side with the stop sign actually have to go to get the person in front of a long line of cars to go through...

food for thought.

 

[Goofy4]

If it's where I'm thinking it is, "been there, done that"... Especially in heavy rain with low visibility, it is not a safe intersection. It is not clear that the traffic coming from the right must stop. Perhaps that's the problem that should be looked at.

 

[MrGrumpy222]

Just FYI, many departments nation-wide have policies about speeding in particular. In many departments if an officer is caught speeding (with no lights on) or reported by citizens for running a light (with no lights on) they are fired. Some departments are very lenient and some are VERY strict. Depends on the Sherrif or the Police Chief.

Also just FYI, as far as I know, if a police car does not have it's lights on, it is required to follow the same legal limits of passenger vehicles and if not, is considered to be breaking the law.

Here in Jersey the only law that a police car with their emergency lights activated and their siren sounding is exempted from is the speed restriction. Other than that they are to follow all Motor Vehicle Laws, including red lights. It is a courtesy or a understanding that a police car responding to an emergency, lights and siren, they slow down at a red light, stop and proceed through, they are not exempted from these laws. That goes for Fire Trucks and Ambulances as well. I hope that if an ambulance had a sick family member that needed to get to a trauma center ASAP they would stop and proceed thru a red light, same for the fire truck responding if my home if it were on fire. At no time is a security guard vehicle exempted from any MV laws.