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I'm saying having the moderate resorts made it easier for Disney to increase the prices of the deluxe resorts. Likewise having value resorts makes it easier to increase the prices of the moderate resorts. I understand the stated reason was to allow guests who couldn't otherwise afford an onsite experience but it also allowed Disney to retain existing customers as they increased the price of their resorts.
This argument still makes no sense to me. That would mean the discussion at Disney would be like this:

"We could raise the prices at our hotels right now and still stay full."

"No, we can't do that until we build some less expensive places for the folks who won't be able to afford the higher prices."

I don't think it worked that way.

I think for many years now they've charged whatever the market would bear for whatever rooms they had, and simultaneously gone out and built more rooms to get more folks on-property as long as they thought there was some demand for the additional rooms, at whatever price point they were building.

I also don't think the building pattern supports this. It wasn't like they built all of the deluxes, and then all of the mods, and then all of the values.
 
Again, there is a difference between themeing and decoration. The intent of themeing is to create a "set" be it another place, another time, whatever. The deluxes and even moderates attempt to do this, at least to a certain extent. How well each resort does it is another matter.

The values do not make that same attempt. It's like decorating for your kid's birthday party. You buy the Star Wars decorations and put them up, but you don't turn your house into Hoth.

Disney has enough land to do a lot of things. Again, though, whether they should have pursued the value market is a separate question from how they went about it. I am primarily questioning the how. Yes, I believe that if they couldn't maintain their standards then they shouldn't have done it, but never have I said that I didn't think they were capable.

I understand what they are doing with the Western Way, but all you are telling me is what they did and are doing. That's not support for it being the optimal route.
 
Again, there is a difference between themeing and decoration. The intent of themeing is to create a "set" be it another place, another time, whatever. The deluxes and even moderates attempt to do this, at least to a certain extent. How well each resort does it is another matter.....
With the exception of CR, each deluxe and moderate resort tries to take you to a location. Not much different than what a lot of planned unit developments do. This is why they are timeless designs. What has changed with the values is that they are taking you to an era or to a human passion. This is not something you can do with just building and landscape architecture and I agree, they absolutely missed the mark in the emersion process. I think they could have accomplished it and still made less expensive lodging with a lot of value. But the breadboxes or the cost of making it still keeps it grounded as a value. Somehow you've got to keep that a clear distinction. Ultimately, are they all worth what we pay for is really another issue. I mean, when I walk into Walgreens, I expect to pay a little extra for the exact same widgit as I would at the grocery store or Home Depot. I would expect the same as premium of convenience at restaurants and resorts at WDW. This doesn't give Disney a free pass to give me a sub par widget. But once again, that is for another discussion.
 
I think it's a shame selling land to Four Seasons is the only way Disney thought they could have a 5* resort onsite. Likewise it's a shame Disney thinks setting up a low end DTD at the Western Way is the best use of that land. My point was that's the way Disney wants to cater to the extreme high and to the low end of the market.

I think it's a shame the only hotel construction Disney seems interested in is DVC units.

I don't think too much of the theming or decorations at the Contemporary.

What separates the "themeing" at the deluxe and "decorations" at the value is landscaping. POLY creates the theme of being in Tahiti. POP creates a "fantasy theme" of surrounding you with icons of popular culture. The buildings pools and signs along the walkways all contribute to the them.

Compare the theming of POP with an offsite Courtyard by Marriott. Now compare the theming of the the Gaylord Palms with the theming of the Contemporary. Compare the service in any of the 3* Disney deluxe hotels with the service in any of the resort hotels offsite.



Again, there is a difference between themeing and decoration. The intent of themeing is to create a "set" be it another place, another time, whatever. The deluxes and even moderates attempt to do this, at least to a certain extent. How well each resort does it is another matter.

The values do not make that same attempt. It's like decorating for your kid's birthday party. You buy the Star Wars decorations and put them up, but you don't turn your house into Hoth.

Disney has enough land to do a lot of things. Again, though, whether they should have pursued the value market is a separate question from how they went about it. I am primarily questioning the how. Yes, I believe that if they couldn't maintain their standards then they shouldn't have done it, but never have I said that I didn't think they were capable.

I understand what they are doing with the Western Way, but all you are telling me is what they did and are doing. That's not support for it being the optimal route.
 

With the exception of CR, each deluxe and moderate resort tries to take you to a location.
But the Contemporary did take you somewhere -the future.

That building was designed four decades ago now - it's probably older than most users on this board. When the hotel opened in 1971, it was the sleakest, most futuristic building around.

The fact that, forty years later we find it common place and non-descript is actually a testment to how "right on" the designers were about what the "future" would look like. I just had always imagined we'd have more monorails by now.

And the fact that the building is now considered "bland" is not the fault of the long ago designers, but of Disney's refusal to keep up with the future. The building is shell they can modify and improve whenever they wish. Imagine the central atrium as a "biosphere" environment, imagine a truely wired hotel, imagine all the things Disney could be doing to keep the building fresh and interesting.

But they choose not to.
 
What about the people that can't afford POFQ? Shouldn't they have an on-site option?

They do - and they use it everyday - and scores of people are happy with the value and Disney Magic found at the Motel 6 "Disney" boxes.

More proof that what many are saying is that Disney shouldn't have lowered the "standards" to offer a value resort.

Well I'm glad they did ! :thumbsup2
I have tried most of the resorts and now only view it as a place of rest after a great day at the parks. THis will be my 3rd visit to POP and I think it is a fun place. Clean, well kept and exactly what I was looking for. I can pay for Deluxe however I have had my full of them.
I would consider going back to AKL.
YC , BC, POLY, CR was great the first time then just ok IMO.
Have watched them decline with little change over the years.
Seems DVC is the fast buck hot button with Disney!
 
Hey DancingBear, I'm not sure if building the mods and the Values was done in order to increase rates at the Deluxes, but Deluxe rates were increased at a rate beyond industry specific inflation when those hotels came into being. And, Disney certainly failed to pick up guests from Idrive. At least in the bulk. It's been a problem Disney has had for a while.

I have a lot more to say, but I need time to compose my thoughts.
 
YoHo, I know there was a time when Disney started significantly raising the rates at the Deluxes, but you'd have to convince me of the correlation to the mods. 'Cause I have a hard time sorting that out given my recollection of the timing of the opening of the various resorts. CBR was the first mod, then Port Orleans and Dixie Landings, correct? But where did CSR, WL, YC/BC, BW, GF and the All-Stars fit into all of that?

And surely Disney has brought folks onto the property that weren't there before.
 
Disney did that with WL and AKL. The standard rooms are smaller, and less expensive, then the deluxe rooms.

Some of the savings involve less landscaping and a more basic pool. Those savings would be lost if a value resort was part of a moderate or deluxe resort.

I think the poor service at deluxe hotels is more of an issue then the theming of value resorts.

I agree.
We can well afford to stay at any of Disney's deluxe resorts.
DH and I travel several times a year and we have stayed at a lot of 4 star and several 5 star hotels.
So Disney's deluxe resorts are just another hotel/motel to me.
The Disney value resorts are unique.
I love the theming.
When I stay at value I feel like I have stepped into a Disney Movie Fantasyland. No other hotel/motel has ever put as big smile on my face as the All Stars.

I have always felt Disney's value resorts are a total bargain.

When I stay at value resort at Disney I feel I am getting way more than my money's worth.
The grounds , the food court, gift shop ,lobby and my room have always been very clean and well maintained.
When I rise early in the morning there are always groundskeepers working on the landscape.

The pools have always been clean with sparkling water. (We do have a large heated inground pool at home so I know about pool maintence and water clarity)


The main pool is huge and always has plenty of lounges and chairs to sit in and relax by the pool.

The staff has always been very friendly.

I get so many perks (Disney theming, Disney transportation, and EMH)
Any of Disney's resort guests (even those staying at a value or mod) are allowed to shop, dine, use the transportation or spa facilities at any of the Disney Resorts. (Of course pool hopping is not allowed.)


Disney does charge a premium price for their Deluxe resorts.
Deluxe guests are paying for location and amenities not for stellar customer service.
Many guests are disappointed because they think the GF is a 5 star hotel.
They expect the service of a 5 star and are disappointed when their expectations are not met.
It is in no way near a 5 star hotel even though it costs as much as many 5 star hotels.
The GF is rated 4 diamonds by AAA but most sites rate it as 3 and a half.
The Poly and CR are usually considered 3 star hotels.


Just my 2 cents
 
Mickey and Minnie (and lewisc), I'm curious whether (1) if Disney improved their deluxe offerings (particularly with respect to adding the service that would bring them up to true 4-star quality), would you be enticed to stay at a deluxe resort? and (2) if you didn't have the Values, would you stay at the mods and be happy?
 
I've stayed in Disney deluxe hotels. The price is currently high but the service is currently low. I'd much rather stay in the Swan/Dolphin or an offsite resort. People are still getting the Gaylord Palms on PL for under $100/night.

I've stayed in Disney moderate hotels. I only stayed at value (POP) once. AAA screwed up my reservation and by the time I realized I didn't have a hotel room for my dates the only thing available was a value or a suite. I found POP far exceeded the level of service I expected. The service was actually superior to the service I previously received at Disney deluxe hotels. My major complaint with both the moderate and value resorts is the small (full) sized beds.

POP blows away any offsite motel. Hotels like Gaylord Palms, the hotels at Universal, Hyatt Grand Cypress etc blow away the GF.

Based on current service and pricing I'll go offsite (or S/D) before I'll stay at a Disney deluxe hotel.


Mickey and Minnie (and lewisc), I'm curious whether (1) if Disney improved their deluxe offerings (particularly with respect to adding the service that would bring them up to true 4-star quality), would you be enticed to stay at a deluxe resort? and (2) if you didn't have the Values, would you stay at the mods and be happy?
 
What "service" at Pop Century could not have "exceeded" expectations?

Yes, during my stay I found the service "good" - in that its what is expected of any motel. The room was clean, the grounds were maintained, the television worked for most channels. No one is saying the place is a back highway flea farm.

But is that all it takes to make "Disney service" these days?

It tool me an hour to check in, at 11:30 at night. The busses were crowded to the point where Tokyo subway riders would have been at home. The food court was a food court, the pool was a pool. The room was smaller than most Motel Six, but was fine for a single person and nothing special.

The only real difference I could see is that most motels don't have the set from 'Dawn of the Dead' across the lake.

Again - how is this "Disney"? The place doesn't make me feel transported to another time or another place. The place doesn't fulfill a lifelong dream I've had of staying in a warehouse underneath fifty feet of fiberglass spelling out "Groovy Man".

The only thing the place has to offer is cheapness and reminders of which brand I am currently consuming.

At the Contemporary I get to live in the future of my boyhood as a sleek monorail glides past, at the Grand Floridian I can walk through a grand lobby that would have made the Astor's envious. At the Poly I can watch the light from the torches flicker through the palm trees and daydream of being ten thousand miles away from home and its worries.

That’s “Disney” to me – the able to do things that one can’t do.
 
At the Contemporary I get to live in the future of my boyhood as a sleek monorail glides past, at the Grand Floridian I can walk through a grand lobby that would have made the Astor's envious. At the Poly I can watch the light from the torches flicker through the palm trees and daydream of being ten thousand miles away from home and its worries.

That’s “Disney” to me – the able to do things that one can’t do.
And those are the key words, "to me". Someone who can't afford to stay at those places can still enjoy a magical WDW vacation for less and it doesn't make it any less special in their minds or thier kids minds. The magic is what you make yourself and if a struggling family can scrap enough money together to take their kids to WDW and stay at AS or POP, it doesn't make it any less a vacation, any less magical.

And I can only assume you don't know the background of every WDW guest, some may look at POP as you look at the GF or CR. It's a relative to the experience. Rage on...
 
Mickey and Minnie (and lewisc), I'm curious whether (1) if Disney improved their deluxe offerings (particularly with respect to adding the service that would bring them up to true 4-star quality), would you be enticed to stay at a deluxe resort? and (2) if you didn't have the Values, would you stay at the mods and be happy?

I did not care much for Disney's mods.The rooms are not much larger than the values. We have no interest in the pool slides or hot tubs.

When I stay at Disney we love to explore all the different places to dine at the parks and at other resorts so I do not need a sit down restaurant at my resort.
I do like having a food court onsite for a quick grab and go breakfast before hitting the parks


I have stayed all levels of the Disney resorts since the 1970's.
I loved the view of the MK from my 10th floor tower room and if the rumor of a DVC at the CR becomes fact I want to buy there. (I have no interest in any of the other DVC's.)
The CR is my favorite Disney Deluxe because the monorail runs through it and guests can "walk" to the MK. (If they added more handicapped assessable rooms with a roll in shower and a MK view that are not club level I would most likely stay again. That is if the service were also improved.)
* Edit to add there are only 2 HA MK view rooms with roll in showers that I am aware of. One is on the 12 floor Atrium club level and the other is on the 14th floor Tower club level.

At the present time I enjoy staying at All Star Music, the Swan and or Dolphin resorts.
The Swan/Dolphin resorts have 4 star service, heavenly beds, they are close to Epcot & the Disney Studios and I can use my Starwood guest points there.

Have fun at Disney!:wizard:
 
BC--We went to the gift shop to retrieve packages delivered from the Studios. CM couldn't find it and said he didn't have time to check items with missing tags. Three different CMs on three different shifts gave us the same run around. Packages were logged as received. Finally got a hotel manager who said the gift shop employees don't report to him but he sent a CM over to the Studios to repurchase the items.

POP--Message on the phone indicating package had arrived, CM promptly got the packages. Even took the time to help us open the package, to make sure nothing was broken and then wrapped the items in bubble wrap so we could bring it home.

BC--Drain in the shower was clogged when we got there. Three calls to maintenance, over the course of day and nothing. I finally told the manager I waited long enough and my daughters were going to shower even if though it would flood the bathroom. Maintenance got there in 5 minutes.

POP--I called for extra towels (for the pool). A CM got to my room in less then 5 minutes. When I got back from the pool there was a voice message, a few minutes after I got the towels, letting me know the towels would be there shortly and to call if there was a problem.

AKL--I asked if they could print my SW BP. They said there computer was down every (I think Wed night) and they couldn't. I later found out the internet is always available and the CM could have printed the BPs.

POP--My 24 hour window was going to come up while I was at MNSSHP. I asked the CM if she could print my BP,later at the 24 hour window. The CM said she'd be happy to do it if I came back, I explained where I'd be. She said she couldn't guarantee she'd have time to do it but my BPs were waiting for me at the front desk when I got back.

AKL--I ordered room service for breakfast, leaving the order card on my door. After room service was 45 minutes late I called. I was told they didn't have my order, and kids take the cards off the doors. They didn't have an answer when I asked why they still suggest that method of ordering. 45 minutes later I had breakfast. No apology and nothing was comped. The next morning I was awakened with room service, I told them I didn't order room service. I got back to sleep. An hour later I was awakened by a knock on the door asking if I was finished and if they could take the tray.

Dirty room service trays that were outside other guests rooms when I left for the parks were still in the hall in the afternoon when I came back.

POP--CMs were constantly making sure the resort was clean. Obviously POP doesn't have room service but if they did trays wouldn't be left outside the rooms for hours.

My service expectations at a Disney value resort were very low. I assumed the service would be inferior to the mediocre (at best) service I received at the deluxe hotels.

The attitude, and service, by the CMs at POP were indicative of the kind of "magic" Disney used to be known for. The CM wrapping a breakable in bubble wrap as opposed to refusing to look for a package that was logged in. The CMs at the deluxe hotels acted like they were "over worked and under paid" and couldn't even be bothered doing their jobs.


JMO but the GF is a three star hotel that's "themed" to resemble a 5 star resort.

What "service" at Pop Century could not have "exceeded" expectations?

Yes, during my stay I found the service "good" - in that its what is expected of any motel. The room was clean, the grounds were maintained, the television worked for most channels. No one is saying the place is a back highway flea farm.

But is that all it takes to make "Disney service" these days?
 
Someone who can't afford to stay at those places can still enjoy a magical WDW vacation for less..

That’s exactly the point we’re trying to make. What’s special about Disney is not how much they charge for the room – it’s the design, the movie set mentality, the ability to make a place that makes people feel they’ve been transported somewhere else.

Disney could have done the same exact thing with the Value resorts – but they didn’t’. They created cheap bland boxes and stapled decorations on them. For the same amount of capital, some hard work and some imagination, they could have created a truly “Disney” place and still charge $79 a night.

It’s an insult that Disney isn’t even trying to treat the eighty-buck crowd as guests. The amenities and location may be enough to justify different rates – but why doesn’t the All Star crowd deserve a touch of imagination too? Is Disney so pathetic these days that good old fashioned “Imagineering” is only the upper class? Why did Disney build shoeboxes instead of Tortuga or Broadway or the Hollywood Blvd Resort?
 
That’s exactly the point we’re trying to make. What’s special about Disney is not how much they charge for the room – it’s the design, the movie set mentality, the ability to make a place that makes people feel they’ve been transported somewhere else.

Disney could have done the same exact thing with the Value resorts – but they didn’t’. They created cheap bland boxes and stapled decorations on them. For the same amount of capital, some hard work and some imagination, they could have created a truly “Disney” place and still charge $79 a night.

It’s an insult that Disney isn’t even trying to treat the eighty-buck crowd as guests. The amenities and location may be enough to justify different rates – but why doesn’t the All Star crowd deserve a touch of imagination too? Is Disney so pathetic these days that good old fashioned “Imagineering” is only the upper class? Why did Disney build shoeboxes instead of Tortuga or Broadway or the Hollywood Blvd Resort?

You see that's where and you I disagree. When I stay at All Star Music I feel I have been transported to another place. The Broadway section takes me to streets of New York:

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Rose garden near Broadway
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The look of New Orleans by Jazz Inn

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All Star Music is more than giant icons and decorations on the side of a building.

I can feel like I was transported somewhere else when I am staying at All Star Music.


Just my 2 cents
 
....... but why doesn’t the All Star crowd deserve a touch of imagination too? Is Disney so pathetic these days that good old fashioned “Imagineering” is only the upper class? Why did Disney build shoeboxes instead of Tortuga or Broadway or the Hollywood Blvd Resort?

Disney did design Broadway at All Star Music.
I really like it.
But Music is usually one the last value resorts to be chosen unless there is a discount.
I am on the resorts board a lot and a lot of guests who are choosing a value resort say they do not like the theming of Music and want to stay at Movies or Pop where there are Disney characters that are larger than life.

Not your idea of truly "Imagineered" Disney resorts but they are still loved by many.

Just my 2 cents
 
There's a difference behind decoration and themeing. Decoration means you throw in artificats to remind people of place -the taxi cab, the giant hats, the giant piano. Taco Bell does the same thing with their restaurants. Decoration is an intellectual connection between what you're looking at and the idea the designer is trying plant in your mind.

But real themeing makes you feel your in another place. It's a gut feeling to - that sudden sense of familiarity, that feeling that "this is what I thought it would be like". It requires all your senses, not just what you see. It's the russle of the palm fronds, the smell of the flowers, the rolling meandering paths that make the Polynesian different - not a eighty foot tiki doll.

Imagine the real Disney Broadway resort - the steam seeing out of the manhole overs, the glittering lights from the signs, the offstage background music of a rehersal in a closed theater, the smell of the fresh hot hogs from the cart on the corner.

Or take a look at the what Disney did with the Cheyenne Resort at Euro Disney. You all but see the tumble weed roll down the street.

I'm not saying people are dumb for liking the All Stars - what I am saying is that Disney should have done so much more. It's what the company is based on, it's what's driven the company to it success. The values are servicable for inexpensive lodgings and no one should be ashamed to stay there.

But they could have been amazing and not cost Disney a single dime more. It's Disney's lack of confidence, their lack of effort and most of all their lack of faith in us, the guests, that keep them from being great. I don't want them to be "better than Motel 6" - I want them to be "Disney".
 


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