Disney in soup over no-turban mandate

[Kathy C]

It's America, take it as it is or get out.

Very well said!!

 

[remain seated please]

This person doesn't want to respect Disney's right to enforce a dress code, BUT he wants Disney to respect his religion by making an exception to a long-established company expectation and condition of employment.

I'm the last person to defend Disney on these boards. But I respect the company's standards in this case. I'm sure there are plenty of companies that would hire this person if he is qualified for a job with them. And I'm not talking about the stereotypical ones here.

 

[disfamily3]

This is such a small thing to make such a big deal out of ...with so many legal cases our judges should be taking care ,that are far more important, this person who is not even a citizen of this country is clogging up the legal system with this crap!!!!I am tired of being made feel guilty and told how wrong as Americans we are because we don't just bow down and let EVERY other culture have the "right away" in our society. There is place for him to wear his turban and work is NOT it. This guy is here in the US going to school and working for an American company and not wanting to follow their guidelines they have for their employees. Wake up!!!!! How many of you think that you could move to his country of origin and go to work there (lets say as a Catholic person of faith) and wear your rosery or crusifix to your Arabic place of buisness??? Lets say they ask you nicely to remove the article of your culture or religion, and you thought you would just sue the company for this treatment....How far do you think you would get in his country doing this??? You all know the answer. We have LAWS in this country that have stood for years. Judges seem to keep forgetting to enforce the ones that are on the books! Disney has rights, it is a buisness. This guy should have to do as everyone else does that works at Disney or find another job. Or better than that, if he doesn't like how things are done and run in this country....GO HOME and wear his turban there at work. Too many bleeding hearts. Cure Cancers or Solve the gas situation and then I will be interested. He is looking for a quick buck and I hope the judge fines him for wasting the courts time.

 

[SelfEmployedDebtFree]

I think its so ironic how a country, whos whole existence is ANTI-American is so defended when they come to OUR country and try to take advantage of OUR businesses so they can send the money BACK to their ANTI-America country.

It's America, take it as it is or get out.

Well said.

I positively guarantee you if you went to THEIR country and fussed about your rights as an American (while in their country) they would NOT be as accommodating.

I wouldn't expect to go to another country, expect them to learn MY language, wear MY clothes, and take MY traditions. I'd go there (and HAVE gone there) as a foreigner, I'd respect THEIR country, and THEIR values and I would NOT force my values on them as they do us.

Melting pot, yes, but THIS IS AMERICA and its repulsive that people here are defending scam artists trying to take money from Disney, that will raise the costs of OUR trips.

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

To quote the article:

"Disney makes millions of dollars each year on cartoon characters that wear turbans but cannot respect the right of an American to wear a turban for religious reasons,"

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

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[remain seated please]

Okay i just got angry! "They" and "Them" ??? They and Them are AMERICANS! America is not about one culture, one language, one color, one tradition... Our country was founded by folks who were fleeing those who sought to force them to believe what the government told them to believe, and Im sick of people who think being american is speaking english, it is hate that has fueled wars and tragic events all through history.

How is anyone forcing their values on you? Yes there are some people who come to this country and do not respect it BUT there are also alot of people who were born here that dont respect their own country and their neighbors who are of forign orign who came here with a love for America, and what America stands for, we should be proud that others want to come here, that we are regarded highly by these imigrants.

And about them sending money back to their "anti-american" country, oh yeah but we have no problem using sweat shops and abusing workers in their "anti-american" countries, no wonder with the attitude like folks like you I can see why some may hate Americans...

Please close this thread mods, this has gone on long enough....

You should be proud that we have "freedom of speech" in this country. It allows us to voice our opinions on any subject we want to. Now I am not a moderator, but have not seen anything on this thread that would justify it's closing. Sure, people have opinions, and there have been a couple of light-hearted jokes, but I have seen much worse on these boards.

I'm not sure what you feel has "gone on long enough", but rather than whining to have the thread closed, perhaps you could refrain from reading and/or flaming others. Just a suggestion.

 

[DancingBear]

...this person who is not even a citizen of this country is clogging up the legal system with this crap!!!!

Uhhh, he is a Sikh AMERICAN.

How many of you think that you could move to his country of origin and go to work there (lets say as a Catholic person of faith) and wear your rosery or crusifix to your Arabic place of buisness???

Again, he is an American. But what difference does it make what laws other countries apply anyway? The issue is the whether this is protected under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. (I don't think it is, BTW).

We have LAWS in this country that have stood for years. Judges seem to keep forgetting to enforce the ones that are on the books!

We had laws in this country that kept blacks from voting, also, until they were found to be in violation of the United States Constitution, the supreme law of the land.

Or better than that, if he doesn't like how things are done and run in this country....GO HOME and wear his turban there at work.

He is home in the United States.

 

[DancingBear]

I think its so ironic how a country, whos whole existence is ANTI-American is so defended when they come to OUR country and try to take advantage of OUR businesses so they can send the money BACK to their ANTI-America country.

Who is defending any other country? The guy is pursuing his rights as an AMERICAN CITIZEN.

I positively guarantee you if you went to THEIR country and fussed about your rights as an American (while in their country) they would NOT be as accommodating.

This IS their country. These are Sikh AMERICANS. And it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what happens in other countries.

Melting pot, yes, but THIS IS AMERICA and its repulsive that people here are defending scam artists trying to take money from Disney, that will raise the costs of OUR trips.

There's no evidence that this is any kind of scam. The Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund is a legitimate organization. These sorts of constitutional issues are litigated all of the time. I think the case is a loser, but so be it. Thank God we live in a country where we adjudicate these disputes in the courts and not through violence.

 

[DancingBear]

You should be proud that we have "freedom of speech" in this country.

Yes, let's be thankful that we live in a country where we are free to speak out and try to change things if we don't like them. Where we don't have to "take it as it is or get out."

 

[jenelope]

I think its so ironic how a country, whos whole existence is ANTI-American is so defended when they come to OUR country and try to take advantage of OUR businesses so they can send the money BACK to their ANTI-America country.

Really? I never knew that India was so anti-America. Or is it the United States that is anti-America? Because Mr. Channa is a Sikh-American, and Sikhism was founded in the Punjabi region of India. It's not related to either Hinduism or Islam. The religious requirement of uncut hair and remaining unshaven is to honor the perfection of God's creation. And it is a requirement of the religion, not a preference. Of the Five K's (the outward symbols of Sikhism) it's considered the most important. It's not just that he didn't want to take off his turban and shave his beard. He can't do it and still call himself a Sikh.

Furthermore, Mr. Channa was not applying for any old cast member job. He's a trumpet player residing in Florida. It makes sense that he would apply to Florida's largest employer of professional musicians. I don't know what I think about the lawsuit, but I've seen enough to not just dismiss Mr. Channa as some interloper out to make a quick buck.

 

[SelfEmployedDebtFree]

This IS their country. These are Sikh AMERICANS. And it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what happens in other countries.

Very recently after 9-11 a story emerged about a group of Arab college students who were in a U.S. college university during the attack on the Twin Towers. Unlike the rest of the Americans sitting there in SHOCK and HORROR, these students (all AMERICAN CITIZENS) were sitting at a computer LAUGHING and CHEERING at THOUSANDS of OUR people dying horrible deaths. A college professor walking by, seeing them cheering and laughing said (not quoting...) "This is your country. YOU are American citizens! How can you be happy about this?" They SUED him and WON. Yes, America sadly is broken. Broken from a judicial system who is afraid to say enough is enough.

Okay i just got angry! "They" and "Them" ???

Glad I succeeded. They don't have to bomb us, they are tearing us apart from the inside.

Besides, this is just the beginning. We're considering a president who will NOT pledge allegiance to the flag, will NOT wear the US lapel pin, and who's wife made the statement "For the first time in my adult life I am proud to be an American because my husband is running for president." Sadly, it seems patriotism is a thing of the past.

 

[SelfEmployedDebtFree]

Really? I never knew that India was so anti-America. Or is it the United States that is anti-America? Because Mr. Channa is a Sikh-American, and Sikhism was founded in the Punjabi region of India. It's not related to either Hinduism or Islam. The religious requirement of uncut hair and remaining unshaven is to honor the perfection of God's creation. And it is a requirement of the religion, not a preference. Of the Five K's (the outward symbols of Sikhism) it's considered the most important. It's not just that he didn't want to take off his turban and shave his beard. He can't do it and still call himself a Sikh.

Certain sects of fundamentalists Christians take the scripture about take up your cross literally. There are these people who walk across America with wooden crosses. Should we allow those in Disney as well dragging a wooden cross?
If he wants to wear a turban in his home I have no problem with it. If he wants to wear it in public I have NO problem with it. Its who he is. Just as I have no problem with those who wheel the wooden crosses. I DO have a problem with people suing to wear those in a park who has a clear and established dress code in place.

 

[mitros]

Very recently after 9-11 a story emerged about a group of Arab college students who were in a U.S. college university during the attack on the Twin Towers. Unlike the rest of the Americans sitting there in SHOCK and HORROR, these students (all AMERICAN CITIZENS) were sitting at a computer LAUGHING and CHEERING at THOUSANDS of OUR people dying horrible deaths. A college professor walking by, seeing them cheering and laughing said (not quoting...) "This is your country. YOU are American citizens! How can you be happy about this?" They SUED him and WON. Yes, America sadly is broken. Broken from a judicial system who is afraid to say enough is enough.


Glad I succeeded. They don't have to bomb us, they are tearing us apart from the inside.

Besides, this is just the beginning. We're considering a president who will NOT pledge allegiance to the flag, will NOT wear the US lapel pin, and who's wife made the statement "For the first time in my adult life I am proud to be an American because my husband is running for president." Sadly, it seems patriotism is a thing of the past.

Thanks for your post. Very good.......

 

[daipp]

You may be interested in this recent court case here in the U.K.

The Daily Mail

There seem to be many similarities.


David

 

[SelfEmployedDebtFree]

Thanks for your post. Very good.......

Thanks. But as you'll see, it will inevitably be taken apart and criticized. Just as I did theirs.
Jenelope... I didn't take your post as negative. I just used it for making my point. You made a good point in yours. I have no problems with his religious views, I just don't like him suing over it. There are other employers who will allow him to wear his covering.

 

[ThurlFan]

Besides, this is just the beginning. We're considering a president who will NOT pledge allegiance to the flag, will NOT wear the US lapel pin, and who's wife made the statement "For the first time in my adult life I am proud to be an American because my husband is running for president." Sadly, it seems patriotism is a thing of the past.

Might want to tidy up some of these statments, and replace them with the truth.

 

[DancingBear]

Very recently after 9-11 a story emerged about a group of Arab college students who were in a U.S. college university during the attack on the Twin Towers. Unlike the rest of the Americans sitting there in SHOCK and HORROR, these students (all AMERICAN CITIZENS) were sitting at a computer LAUGHING and CHEERING at THOUSANDS of OUR people dying horrible deaths. A college professor walking by, seeing them cheering and laughing said (not quoting...) "This is your country. YOU are American citizens! How can you be happy about this?" They SUED him and WON.

A link, please. This screams urban legend.

Yes, America sadly is broken. Broken from a judicial system who is afraid to say enough is enough....They don't have to bomb us, they are tearing us apart from the inside.

Do you feel the same way about the lawsuit a kid brought because he wanted to sing "Awesome God" at a school talent show?

http://www.jesusjournal.com/content/view/181/1/

or how about the Seventh Day Adventists who sued because they didn't want to play basketball on their Sabbath day:

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1202525716150990.xml&coll=7

How about the litigation that these groups pursue:

http://www.aclj.org/
http://www.clsnet.org/

Again, I'm happy to live in a country where our citizens have access to the courts to make determinations about the scope of the rights granted in the greatest constitution in the world.

Besides, this is just the beginning. We're considering a president who will NOT pledge allegiance to the flag

Not true.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/patriot

....will NOT wear the US lapel pin

Not true.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7434905.stm

 

[DancingBear]

Certain sects of fundamentalists Christians take the scripture about take up your cross literally. There are these people who walk across America with wooden crosses. Should we allow those in Disney as well dragging a wooden cross?
If he wants to wear a turban in his home I have no problem with it. If he wants to wear it in public I have NO problem with it. Its who he is. Just as I have no problem with those who wheel the wooden crosses. I DO have a problem with people suing to wear those in a park who has a clear and established dress code in place.

You're knocking down a straw man here. Jenelope said she wasn't sure how she felt about the lawsuit; she was responding to the xenophobia and slander expressed here.

 

[ThurlFan]

Interesting...in a single article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7434905.stm) we have:

Candidate wearing flag pin:

Candidate NOT wearing flag pin: