Disney has lost another family - do they care?

[Love Tink]

That was the case with the old FP system with that particular ride. They were all gone about an hour into the day.

Never had a single visit to DHS when we weren't able to get at least two FP for TSMM. Never saw FP gone within the first hour. We worked hard to pick the right time of year and day of the week to visit.

Do you think the system will be perfect and fair to everyone? I certainly don't, but what is? The old system wasn't perfect, either, as much the rose colored glasses set would like to have us believe. .

No...but the old system was fair.

 

[mesaboy2]

Do you think the system will be perfect and fair to everyone? I certainly don't, but what is? The old system wasn't perfect, either, as much the rose colored glasses set would like to have us believe. I liked the old system, too. But it's gone. So I'll adapt.

Here are your options as I see it:
Adapt.
Complain to Disney in the hope they will revert to the old system.
Don't go.

You were attempting to explain why the new system is better, even for offsite guests. In this case it is not--my only point.

As for your insightful list of options, I say "Thanks, Mr. Chekov."

 

[going/again]

If work put out a box of chocolates and said "Employees are entitled to take 1 Chocolate every 2 hours" and sure, some employees showed up every 2 hours, and grabbed a chocolate, while others, who don't like chocolate, or are on diets, or who just didn't feel like taking a chocolate, didn't. Are the employees who took a chocolate every 2 hours until they were gone "wrong" ... not in the slightest.

Seriously, your "examples", your logic, your entire attempt at solidifying your point of view are so poorly done. It's easy to deconstruct them and show how little reason they demonstrate.

That's proper logic, not fuzzylogic.

 

[clsteve]

That's not overplaying it, that's basically what you had to do to get the most out of FP-



If there are guests that cannot pre-pick FP+'s, then yes those ppl are disadvantaged. Resort guests can pre-pick. AP holders can pre-pick. So is it pretty much locals who will show up day-of, buy a ticket and go that can't pre-pick? Or off-siters buying tix thru a discount program like uctourist? That is going to be a very small fraction of the overall visitors.



I would hope the system would evolve to where all can pre-pick. But, honestly I wouldn't mind if the MB experience remained a resort-only perk. I stay in resorts. But to not look at what's best for me, I would hope Disney would leverage this in the way that would be most profitable to them as a corporation.



Are you a day-of type visitor? Just curious. I agree that's a downfall of the current system. I never said it is perfect. Just that one can / should try to find ways to make it work because it's not going away and saying you're never going to go to WDW again is just silly.



What 50%? Are you asserting that 50% of WDW guests are non-resort, non-AP holders one-day passers? I can't agree there. I don't have the numbers, but I'd guess resort guests are about 70%, AP holders staying offsite are about 20%, off-siters buying day-passes via uctourist or other sites are about 5%, and local day-passers are about 5%.

And, I would bet 95% of WDW's profit comes from the 70% resort guests. This is why every park is now bundling with resorts to offer resort experiences and trying to not just be a day-park.

Wow, you seem to like to guess at, then place bets on, a lot of numbers as if they were facts...

The math is pretty simple: take the number of resort rooms, with whatever you feel comfortable with as an avg. #guests occ. rate per room, then subtract that from whatever daily attendance figure you'd like to. If you want to get a little more specific, you can do a year comparison against the yearly occ. rate. I'll give you a head start: Disney's yearly occ. rate is hovering in the 79% range....

 

[MrInfinity]

You were attempting to explain why the new system is better, even for offsite guests. In this case it is not--my only point.

For off-site non-AP guests, the system is not going to be good. That half-hour start to your day hitting a kiosk is going to suck.

But then again Disney wants you to either buy an AP or buy a hotel night. Spend more money, get a better product. Want to show up, drop $100 and ride 20 times? Nu-uh... Disney has guests paying $700 to be there for the same day who will drop another $300 on food and souveniers so they're going to curtail their experiences toward them.

So I do agree w you. And will give you a nod for that... for an off-site, non-AP guest, FP+ will not be good for a day-park style visitor. Your best option might be to go for 2 days (get 6 FP) and just stay for the mornings.

Effectively, what has happened here is not that you get on less... but that to get on what you used to now costs twice as much. Look at it as Disney doubling ticket prices for day-passers that used to consume about 6FPs. This is most likely going to have the effect of making the AP more attractive to such guests.

 

[flicx]

Op I agree with a lot of your points. My breaking point came a few years back. The whole movement Disney has been on lately is GREED! Hopefully others follow suit so Iger gets canned and maybe some new leadership comes in and points things back in the right direction.

 

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

Do you think the system will be perfect and fair to everyone? I certainly don't, but what is? The old system wasn't perfect, either, as much the rose colored glasses set would like to have us believe. I liked the old system, too. But it's gone. So I'll adapt.

Here are your options as I see it:
Adapt.
Complain to Disney in the hope they will revert to the old system.
Don't go.

This....agree with you on all points except one----complaining to Disney in hopes that they will revert back to the old system is pointless. Disney does not care....I will even go a step farther and say that Disney does not want the "Fastpass Haters" business. But--oh yes....I will be "adapting" right along with you- wdw freak! You're the BEST!!!

 

[luvthemouse71]

A business wanting to make money...say it ain't so....

 

[MrInfinity]

Wow, you seem to like to guess at, then place bets on, a lot of numbers as if they were facts...

Haha "I don't have a better guess, but your guess is clearly wrong..."

 

[Abharmagic]

Our next trip to Orlando will be for Universal, we will stay on site to take advantage of their perks. Glad my kids were young and wanted to go to WDW before FP+. Probably won't be back until I am a grandma.... which, hopefully, won't be anytime soon. There's lots to do elsewhere in the area- Legoland, Sea World, Universal. People can also visit SOMEWHERE ELSE- like a real foreign country!! Lie on a beach, soak up some culture, etc. We will not be at a loss for alternatives. Sad, because, I most of all in my family love WDW and grew up going there, just not interested in the new "game" that's begun there.

 

[flicx]

A business wanting to make money...say it ain't so....

They weren't making money before? At some point you peeve enough regular customers off it is gonna bite you in the bottom line! They are well on there way to doing that, not to mention with this 1.5 billion dollar roll out that essentially gives you less than before!

 

[wdwfreak]

You were attempting to explain why the new system is better, even for offsite guests. In this case it is not--my only point.

Where exactly do I make the the argument that the new system is "better?"

As for your insightful list of options, I say "Thanks, Mr. Chekov."

Can you explain the name calling? Otherwise, sarcasm and condescension noted. Can you also give me (us) some other options?

 

[DebbieB]

What 50%? Are you asserting that 50% of WDW guests are non-resort, non-AP holders one-day passers? I can't agree there. I don't have the numbers, but I'd guess resort guests are about 70%, AP holders staying offsite are about 20%, off-siters buying day-passes via uctourist or other sites are about 5%, and local day-passers are about 5%.

And, I would bet 95% of WDW's profit comes from the 70% resort guests. This is why every park is now bundling with resorts to offer resort experiences and trying to not just be a day-park.

I've heard at least 50% offsite also. There are many people who stay offsite in hotels and timeshares plus locals who come in for the day, especially during busy seasons. Look at the huge hotels you see coming in on 536, hotels by Downtown Disney, hotels on International Drive.

 

[clsteve]

Haha "I don't have a better guess, but your guess is clearly wrong..."

Yep, I'm starting to understand the whole "fuzzy" thing...

 

[wdwfreak]

Never had a single visit to DHS when we weren't able to get at least two FP for TSMM. Never saw FP gone within the first hour. We worked hard to pick the right time of year and day of the week to visit.



No...but the old system was fair.

How so? If you weren't there at rope drop, were you guaranteed a FP to TSMM or Soarin' or TT? If I got there at rope drop and got my FPs and you arrived at 11:00 only to find that the FPs were gone or that they were for a time you wouldn't be in the park, would those of you who are calling "no fair" feel that the playing field wasn't level? Just because you didn't get to the park as early as me? No system is completely, 100% fair. That's life.

 

[mom2rtk]

How so? If you weren't there at rope drop, were you guaranteed a FP to TSMM or Soarin' or TT? If I got there at rope drop and got my FPs and you arrived at 11:00 only to find that the FPs were gone or that they were for a time you wouldn't be in the park, would those of you who are calling "no fair" feel that the playing field wasn't level? Just because you didn't get to the park as early as me? No system is completely, 100% fair. That's life.

Of course it was fair. Every patron had the same opportunity to be there at rope drop. If you chose not to be there for rope drop, that was your choice.

 

[wdwfreak]

Of course it was fair. Every patron had the same opportunity to be there at rope drop. If you chose not to be there for rope drop, that was your choice.

By that logic, every patron has the opportunity to stay on property, as well. And book FP reservations for a time they want, even if off property.

 

[mesaboy2]

1. Where exactly do I make the the argument that the new system is "better?"

2. Can you explain the name calling? Otherwise, sarcasm and condescension noted. Can you also give me (us) some other options?

1. You seem to be defending it pretty hard. Am I wrong?

2. Chekov was the guy who said the most ridiculously obvious things on Star Trek. You know, after the spinny rainbow cube-thing that's been splitting everyone's ears and shaking the ship for the last 5 minutes just up and disappears. Chekov would say "it's gone sir". The original Captain Obvious. So no, I can't give you any other options, because the ones you listed have been apparent from the very start.

 

[mom2rtk]

By that logic, every patron has the opportunity to stay on property, as well. And book FP reservations for a time they want, even if off property.

Not at all. Tickets cost the same no matter where you are staying. Not so for the price of a room.

The ability to do rope drop comes with purchase of a ticket.

The ability to stay onsite comes with paying the price of staying in an onsite room.

 

[wdwfreak]

1. You seem to be defending it pretty hard. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. My original argument was that the change to FP+ doesn't "lock you in" to anything anymore than the old FP system did. They are both marketing tools. I'm not defending FP+ (unless you can site specific examples) as much as I'm saying that this is the system in place now and I'm going to adapt and make the best of it just as I did with the old system. Maybe it'll work better. Maybe it won't. But we'll figure it out. My desire to go on a Disney vacation has never hinged on how many FPs I can get or for which attractions I can get them. If someone's does, then I get how it will be more difficult. But the best option here is to adapt. I believe my vacation in March will be just as magical as the ones before. Even (gasp) the ones before FP existed. I can only speak for me and I wouldn't try to defend a system that I have not yet used other than to book my FP+.

2. Chekov was the guy who said the most ridiculously obvious things on Star Trek. You, know, after the spinny rainbow cube-thing that's been splitting everyone's ears and shaking the ship for the last 5 minutes just up and disappears. Chekov would say "it's gone sir". The original Captain Obvious. So no, I can't give you any other options, because they've been apparent from the very start.

It is clearly not obvious to everyone. And I like Chekov from Star Trek, so I'll take the comparison in stride. I thought maybe you were comparing me to Anton Chekov.