Disney endorses....

[momto2girls]

I think that this is a sound business decision on Disney's part.

I would never be comfortable attending a homosexual union, but as many would point out, I don't have to. So, it doesn't affect me in any way if a ceremony is taking place at the Wedding Pavillion when I'm at MGM.

 

[shmoogrrrl]

You know, that whole Disney boycott thing started while my husband worked for Disney (accounting dept. in Burbank). We are Christians, but I never understood the boycott thing.....Disney didn't create Gay Days and at the time, Disney was still allowing Christian nights at Disneyland with Christian musicians and such. Sadly, those nights were a big problem as the "Christian" teens misbehaved quite often.

Dawn

I think it was the domestic partner allowance that made the SBC choose to boycott. I have been a Southern Baptist since the day I was born and while I do know families who actually did get rid of all their Disney items and refused to take trips to Disney, the majority did not. Not because they supported what Disney was doing, but because they knew the boycott wouldn't matter ultimately (and I don't think it made much of a dent at all in Disney's bottom line) and because you can't have a child without something Disney these days! Not to mention that like any group or organization, not everyone claiming membership blindly accepts everything that the SBC says.

I, for one, am tired of the Southern Baptist Convention being the favorite bashing post every time this subject comes up everywhere. While it is true that they openly boycotted Disney after they recognized domestic partners, they are not even close to the only group (religious or not) that doesn’t support the gay lifestyle or gay marriage. Many other groups share their position and some are just as vocal about it.

BTW...before anyone choses to jump on me, I will state that I could care less what Disney does as far as magical weddings go. I am already married and won't have to worry about fighting same sex couples for space at the Chapel and photographers, etc.....Happy weddings to all.

 

[tmarquez]

This is interesting. I never realized that Disney required a marriage license in the first place...that is what really surprises me. Anyway...good for Disney for changing that policy.

I'm really sad for the kids in the family that posted they were cancelling their family vacation because of this new policy.

 

[kt_mom]

I mean no disrespect for your religious beliefs, but I question your knowledge of our nation's history.

There was no concern about the state running religion. The concern was that there be no state religion, meaning that they believed there must not be an "official" religion of the state that everyone must adopt.

The original "Pilgrims" weren't Anglicans who left England because they thought the state was interfering with Anglicanism. They were strict Calvinists who were basically persecuted by the state for worshipping God they way they saw fit, rather than the way the government condoned. They left rather than continue to be told by the state how they must worship God.

Our nation was founded on the ideal that everyone can love God the way they want to, which included not paying any attention to religion or God. Our great sages like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were God-fearing Christian men, but they were not interested in church-based organized religion. In England that would have meant they could never have risen to such a level of prominence, but in the nascent America they were free to believe as they wished.

Which is actually different than now. You have nothing to worry about Christianity, or at least the APPEARANCE of Christianity, ruling the roost in America. Seems you can't get elected President without photo opportunities of you walking out of church every Sunday morning.

You can questions my knowledge of history all you want to. Conveniently now days you can go online and find any number of sites or articles to support whatever you chose to believe. You can take any quote out of context and make it fit what you want it to. I won't debate this with you. American's versions of our history seems to change wtih the tides to fit whatever people want it to. But that doesn't make it accurate or right. History has been written and rewritten time and again to fit into whatever movement is the current trend. I don't doubt that it will change again by the time our children are grown.

We could post proofs all day to validate our opinion on this and never come to a conclusion because for every quote out there that makes you think they didn't found this country on Christian principles I can come up with one that says they did. Lets just agree to disagree on that one.

 

[DawnM]

Ah, I guess I forgot about that. Funny thing is, right about that same time, my work allowed domestic partnership for health insurance, etc.....in fact, they just said that each single person could claim one other person on his/her insurance. We can't all quit our jobs because of this! And I was a public school teacher! Couldn't very well boycott that!

I think the reason the SB are "picked on" is because they are the largest protestant group AND they do take up "causes." Many of those causes are excellent.....helping the poor, taking churches and missions overseas, etc....but sometimes I think the causes separate them from the world that they are trying to reach.

Love and acceptance don't have to be the same thing. I can love my child even though he/she is doing things I don't approve of.

This isn't meant to you at all....just general comments.

Dawn

I think it was the domestic partner allowance that made the SBC choose to boycott. I have been a Southern Baptist since the day I was born and while I do know families who actually did get rid of all their Disney items and refused to take trips to Disney, the majority did not. Not because they supported what Disney was doing, but because they knew the boycott wouldn't matter ultimately (and I don't think it made much of a dent at all in Disney's bottom line) and because you can't have a child without something Disney these days! Not to mention that like any group or organization, not everyone claiming membership blindly accepts everything that the SBC says.

I, for one, am tired of the Southern Baptist Convention being the favorite bashing post every time this subject comes up everywhere. While it is true that they openly boycotted Disney after they recognized domestic partners, they are not even close to the only group (religious or not) that doesn’t support the gay lifestyle or gay marriage. Many other groups share their position and some are just as vocal about it.

BTW...before anyone choses to jump on me, I will state that I could care less what Disney does as far as magical weddings go. I am already married and won't have to worry about fighting same sex couples for space at the Chapel and photographers, etc.....Happy weddings to all.

 

[write2caro]

I think the reason the SB are "picked on" is because they are the largest protestant group AND they do take up "causes." Many of those causes are excellent.....helping the poor, taking churches and missions overseas, etc....but sometimes I think the causes separate them from the world that they are trying to reach.

I agree. If a group - ANY GROUP - wants to take credit for the stands they take that are "popular" they need to take responsibility for the ones that are "unpopular" (for lack of better terms). There are consequences to being part of any group that you identify with. Although it doesn't mean you agree with everything they do, you can't expect anyone to know which things you do or don't agree with. I think we should all keep open minds to find out where each individual stands on key issues in our interactions with them (on DIS or anywhere!), but if you self-identify as a Southern Baptist or ANYTHING else, I think you should expect people to think this means you agree with them on most things until/unless you tell them differently. It's a reasonable assumption. Because of groups I self-identify with I have been "misunderstood" many times. I think it's understandable, and I take any opportunity to clarify. That's all.

On this particular issue, I think it may be accurate if people assume that MOST (not ALL) Southern Baptists would at the very least be less likely to support Disney's decision, and less likely to support equal rights for gay people. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but without re-reading through the entire thread that is my impression.

 

[Kazzy1548]

The only real moral problem that I have with Disney is that they have a duck running around with a shirt and no pants.....

Kazzy

 

[write2caro]

The only real moral problem that I have with Disney is that they have a duck running around with a shirt and no pants.....

Kazzy

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

The only real moral problem that I have with Disney is that they have a duck running around with a shirt and no pants.....

I do not have a problem with that HOWEVER those skinny girls with flat stomachs who walk around with a Mickey Bar in one hand and a milkshake in the other just make me mad enough to scream!!!

Was it not China where they were required to dress and think alike? I celebrate imperfection. I am a prime example.

Slightly Goofy

 

[limace]

All I can say, is "Yay Disney!!!" Didn't have time to go read all the replies here, but I think this was a moral decision and a good business move. On the scale of things I think people should worry about in the world, gay marriage is not even on my radar. It's hard to argue with family, love and kindness.

 

[Davids-Coco]

Wow, this post has gotten pretty passionate! As a voting Disney stock holder folks, this one is about pure profit. Disney recognized a new market with a nice big wad of spendable income, they ran the numbers, factored in a the very small percentage of folks who might stay away because of this policy and intend to keep that profit margin nice and high, thank you very much.

TY for pointing this out... Disney stock does well for me overall... I applaud anything that makes the stock go up

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Anything?? Even I would not go that far.

Money is a great tool, if used wisely, but it is NOT the end all.

I am betting you were being funny and do not REALLY mean that.

You are a DISer and DISers tend to be awfully nice people.

Slightly Goofy

 

[CleveRocks]

You can questions my knowledge of history all you want to. Conveniently now days you can go online and find any number of sites or articles to support whatever you chose to believe. You can take any quote out of context and make it fit what you want it to. I won't debate this with you. American's versions of our history seems to change wtih the tides to fit whatever people want it to. But that doesn't make it accurate or right. History has been written and rewritten time and again to fit into whatever movement is the current trend. I don't doubt that it will change again by the time our children are grown.

We could post proofs all day to validate our opinion on this and never come to a conclusion because for every quote out there that makes you think they didn't found this country on Christian principles I can come up with one that says they did. Lets just agree to disagree on that one.

My Methodist liberal arts college required us to read original source materials. I learned from sources from the 18th century. When I did these years of readings in the early 1980s, the Internet didn't exist except within military applications.

Like I said, this was a conservative Christian college that taught me these facts. If you had ever learned the true character of men like Franklin and Jefferson you'd see what I mean. And by the way, please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that the framers didn't found the nation on Christian principles. Of course they did. That is historical fact that they founded the nation on Christian principles. It's right in the Declaration of Independence, for starters, that men are endowed by their Creator with the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. So please don't misinterpret what I said. I never said there was a lack of Christian prinicples. I said they expressly wanted to prevent there being a state religion that all must follow.

Refusal to learn is sad. I'm not asking you to change your religious beliefs, just to open your eyes to accurate history, not history given through ANYONE's prism.

I'm sure there are corners of the world where they are taught "true" history such as the Holocaust never happened. They might renounce the facts as presented by others because they already "know" their version of the "facts," that Jewish filmmakers such as Steven Spielberg created all of the visual evidence of the Holocaust.

When one closes one's eyes, one cannot learn.

Again, please understand that I'm not challenging your religious beliefs. God Bless America, we're each entitled to our beliefs.

 

[Mickey'sMainMami]

Ok, again, I will say that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yes everyone has the right to disagree. One thing I can't understand is people who call themselves Christians, yet turn around and judge other people. Doesn't it say in the bible, judge not lest ye not be judged? I thought God only had the right to judge people. Didn't he also say "thou who is without sin shall cast the first stone"? I grew up Lutheran, then because my mother was so easily influenced by my Grandmother, we started going to a Baptist church when we were in 4th grade. I never like to lump everyone into one catagory, but let me tell you, the Baptist at our church were the most judgemental, superficial, horribly behaving people I had ever meant. It was like a women's social club in there! And don't even get me started on my grandmother, she called her self a devout christian, but was the first one to judge other people, spew lies and just be really mean to people because they didn't live up to her standards. I am not perfect, nor will I claim to be and we did end up going to another Baptist church that was absolutely wonderful, but doesn't it say in the bible that we are all God's children and we should love thy neighbor? Yes, I know about the fall of Sodom and Gamorra, BUT, again, for those of you who think homosexuality is wrong, they will have to answer to God one day and be judged by him, you are no one to judge them!!! In the mean time you still have the right not to agree to it, and I don't believe people should have to accept everything that is shoved at them, but keep your hatred to yourself, because no one wants to hear it. As for the person who posted about homosexuals protesting infront of her southern baptist church, what about the religous group that goes to fallen US soldiers funeral services and says that they deserved to die because they were gay? What religion does it say to show hatred towards your fellow man??? Yeah, a lot of love and tolerance there huh? For every person who is different, whether it be because of your race, religion, handicapp, or sexual orientation, for every person that is willing to bash you, remember there are a lot more tolerant people around willing to lend you a helping hand and a kind word. I for one just want everyone to be happy and get along. Ok, I am done now.

 

[hrsmom]

I've only read a handful of posts, but I'm saddened to see that families might cancel trips because Disney is allowing gays to have a ceremony! IMO, that's a silly reason to cancel.

I'm THRILLED that Disney is allowing gays to hold commitment ceremonies (or whatever they're calling them, not sure). My uncle is gay and was married to his longtime partner in Canada a few years ago. They have been together for over 30 years! Longer than many, many straight people I know (including my own parents who only made it to 14 years).

 

[PigletsBestFriend]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyP
I was thinking the same thing. After 4 pages, who wants to open the can?
I don't agree with the lifestyle. And although many are saying to each his own, they don't mean it. I guess I just don't understand the WTG attitude, but my neighbor will be thrilled to know she can marry her new puppy at Disney! Of course, it won't be legal.

Implying that gay marriage is equivalent to bestiality.

Charming.

A politician in PA made the same comparrison a couple of years ago. Now his name has become synonymous with somthing that can't be repeated on a G-rated message board. Guess he got what he deserved.

 

[ilovepooh]

IMO-It's all about the benjamins.

 

[ShellyL]

I really don't post much but I just thought of something and I think it is something that needs to be said. I will be honest in saying that I was questioning this decision by Disney and almost everything that everyone said negative or postive ran thru my head at first. Now that I sat and read the posts I am so glad I did. I am a Christian with a lot of flaws. I am sure that they could easily be tallied up everyday and put in my face so I must be careful in how I view anything. I am not a supporter of same sex marriages but that is my opinion and I am not going to try to change anyones minds about that. That is your life and your lifestyle. There are many who do not agree with my lifestyle and who have openly told me about my old fashioned parenting skills and my desire to be a SAHM. That is also their opinion and that is ok. I worry about what goes on in my home and that is what God has asked me to do first above all other things. With that said I am so glad that Disney decided to open up their doors to other lifestyles and still left something for me...they did not instead decide to do away with the Candle Light Processional that is for the most part for the :"religious" side of Christmas. They still have the Night of Joy. I think we should look at the side of Disney that really allows EVERYONE to have something. I am amazed that they actually have a celebrity come in and read the Christmas Story. That is going out on a limb if you ask me. Think about how many businesses have shyed away from the term Christmas. I don't want to turn this to another subject but as a Christian I am so glad they have something for me also. I hope I haven't upset anyone with this post because I in no way want to do that. I am the type of person that I may not like your lifestyle whatever it might be but if you are willing to be my friend I sure want to be yours.
Michele

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

I believe that marriage is good for a stable society. Yes, especially for raising children.

However, does that mean that only people who are capable of and interested in procreation should be allowed to marry?

I know many hetrosexuals who have less than a 'marriage' even though they have papers.

Many of my older friends live sans papers because they cannot afford to lose their benefits. It is sad cause they want to be married but cannot either.

The only thing I really think is important is monogamy in any relationship. Other than that, whatever floats your boat.

I do not believe that any church should be forced to marry anyone that they do not want to, whatever their orientation. In my state the ministers signed an agreement that they will not perform a ceremony for anyone who has not undergone premarital counseling for instance.

As long as 'straight' people can meet in a bar and get married a few hours later, over and over and sometimes over again what in the world is wrong about two "gay" folks being able to stand up and say they love each other?

Sure glad that no one put me in charge of things. I just am not that smart nor capable. I muddle through and am willing to let others do the same.

Slightly Goofy

 

[chrismom2005]

I believe that marriage is good for a stable society. Yes, especially for raising children.

However, does that mean that only people who are capable of and interested in procreation should be allowed to marry?

I know many hetrosexuals who have less than a 'marriage' even though they have papers.

Many of my older friends live sans papers because they cannot afford to lose their benefits. It is sad cause they want to be married but cannot either.

The only thing I really think is important is monogamy in any relationship. Other than that, whatever floats your boat.

I do not believe that any church should be forced to marry anyone that they do not want to, whatever their orientation. In my state the ministers signed an agreement that they will not perform a ceremony for anyone who has not undergone premarital counseling for instance.

As long as 'straight' people can meet in a bar and get married a few hours later, over and over and sometimes over again what in the world is wrong about two "gay" folks being able to stand up and say they love each other?

Sure glad that no one put me in charge of things. I just am not that smart nor capable. I muddle through and am willing to let others do the same.

Slightly Goofy

i agree with everything you said here. my dad has been married twice cheated on both of them. but he doesnt think gays should be able to get married even though marrage to him means nothing i cant understand that way of thinking.