Disney Dreams is over half-built and a DRAMATIC announcement is coming soon

[Amlee]

Play nice! If you, yourself, KNOW this rumor to be false, then just read, chuckle and move on. We do not ALL have to jump in, practically screaming, that the OP doesn't know of which they speak. Let it go unremarked. If you can say anything nice don't say anything at all......as our mothers all taught us.

Whiile you might follow this rule, the OP is well known to not do the same. He/she is known for his/her attacks and have had several post deleted by the mods.

While nobody has personally attacked the OP. There has been post doubting the proof of the statement. Which IS only natural, since a source was NOT attached to the OP's post. It would have made this thread much more believeable(sp) if a source was posted.

 

[crisi]

Play nice! If you, yourself, KNOW this rumor to be false, then just read, chuckle and move on. We do not ALL have to jump in, practically screaming, that the OP doesn't know of which they speak. Let it go unremarked. If you can say anything nice don't say anything at all......as our mothers all taught us.

The problem is that many people here really can't tell the difference between unsubstantiated DISBoard rumor and fact. Over the years I've seen plenty of people make plans around promo's that have never happened, hope to buy DVC resorts that still aren't built, and promise their kids character breakfasts that have turned out to be rumor. I'm pretty skeptical, but admit there have been plenty of rumors over the years that I've bought into and thought likely. None I've changed plans for, but a few I've thought "oh, that will be really nice when we..." and then am a little disappointed when it never materializes.

(There have also been rumors and wishes I've thought unlikely that have happened).

Without challenging the OP, someone may read this from the West Coast and change their vacation plans. After all, Disney will have a cruise ship on the West Coast in a few years, a new one - that will be better for us than sailing the Wonder or Magic out of Florida next year. Now, with other facts laid out, someone may still decide to believe this rumor, but it won't be unchallenged - they will have made a decision about what to believe.

 

[Float My Boat]

I, personally, would forsee DCL putting their new ship in the caribbean and sending the Magic of the Wonder to the west coast.

However, I have to say that positioning a ship substantially bigger than the Magic or the Wonder on the West Coast seems like an unlikely idea.

I was just coming to post something similar. Putting a ship like that on the west coast would be a waste.

 

[MB MinnieGirl]

Whiile you might follow this rule, the OP is well known to not do the same. He/she is known for his/her attacks and have had several post deleted by the mods.

While nobody has personally attacked the OP. There has been post doubting the proof of the statement. Which IS only natural, since a source was NOT attached to the OP's post. It would have made this thread much more believeable(sp) if a source was posted.

My point exactly.

Hope you had a WONDERful cruise - welcome back!

Kelly

 

[eva]

While I don't have any idea as to whether DCL has another ship in the making, I can think of a reason that they may want to keep it under wraps till a bit closer to sailing. If I knew that they had this ship scheduled to launch in 2008, I would probably rethink my cruise for next year. I might decide to go both years. But I am betting a number of people would hold off making cruise reservations in hopes of sailing on the new ship.

 

[Float My Boat]

Disney did keep the purchase of a large amount of land in Florida a complete secret.

 

[mmouse37]

Now i also doubt this would be kept a secret, form a financial aspect, people would be making or looking to make resv for this ship before it was even completed.

This is so true and exactly what happened when the Magic was first announced.....we booked for the Maiden Voyage of the Magic as soon as heard about it.... over two years before she was completed. They started taking reservations and the requests were so numerous that they did a lottery to see who got the reservations for the Maiden Voyage.....we were lucky enough to get them....but we had to deposit for our cabin without knowing when the date the Magic would sail, what the itinerary would be, how many days the voyage would be, etc.....but we knew we wanted to be on her Maiden Voyage....been hooked since!!!

As a side note....the Magic was delayed twice before she actually sailed which caused havoc as everyone had to change their vacation plans, flights, work schedules, etc. to fit the new Magic sailing dates....but DCL pulled through and in the end offered everyone sailing a 50% off voucher for a future cruise. They also paid all our airline change fees and paid for our DCL transportation and our pre night at the Hyatt.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Now, Rasulo might be blowin' smoke or talkin' out of turn. But since DCL is connected to WDW, he might be "in the know" about future plans.

Jay Rasulo is the Chairman of the Walt Disney Parks and Resorts sector. Disney Cruise Line is one of the divisions within the Walt Disney Parks and Resorts sector.

Thus, Disney Cruise Line reports to Jay Rasulo. So he is definitely "in the know" about future plans for DCL.

I took "Rasulo's rather blunt proclamation that an announcement of a third Disney Cruise Line ship based on the West Coast would come 'sooner rather than later'" (per MiceAge.com) as a good sign that a DCL fleet expansion (one or more ships) is still alive. However, until Disney and a shipyard announce a contract and delivery date(s), I won't get too excited.

For a biography of Jay Rasulo, see http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporate/bios/jay_rasulo.html

 

[HooKooDooKu]

First, as a long time Disney Cruiser (we sailed on each of the two ships their inugeral year), I'm quite tired of the rummill on this issue that keeps comming back every 6-9 months.

I mostly side with the poster that keep trying to remind everyone about how unlikely a new secret ship would be since Disney is a public company. However, I though the most creative argument to the contrary was the following:

While I don't have any idea as to whether DCL has another ship in the making, I can think of a reason that they may want to keep it under wraps till a bit closer to sailing. If I knew that they had this ship scheduled to launch in 2008, I would probably rethink my cruise for next year. I might decide to go both years. But I am betting a number of people would hold off making cruise reservations in hopes of sailing on the new ship.

This IS Disney MO. As an example, the year before the Animal Kingdom was build, Disney launched a major ad campain, and of course didn't mention anything about the up-comming new kingdom. They didn't want everyone to "wait" til the new kingdom was openned to go.

So perhaps our best clue that a new ship is about to be launched will be when we start seeing a lot of ads for Disney Cruise Lines. Until that or an official announcement has been made to stock holders, I'll continue to see these kinds of threads and mumble to my self... "here we go again".

 

[crisi]

Disney did keep the purchase of a large amount of land in Florida a complete secret.

30 years ago when financial regulations for publically traded companies were quite different. The rules on this sort of thing have changed substatially in just the past five.

 

[jrabbit]

Interesting - but the other cruise websites, cruise magazines etc. closely monitor who is building what ships where. If a large ship were being built for an 'unknown' company - I would expect the info to be all over the place. "Who is this new cruise line?" "What major cruise line is secretly building this mega-ship?" etc. They could not keep the construciton of a major cruise ship a secret.

Of course DCL couldn't keep the building of a cruise ship secret if they used one of the standard ship yards. They're not using one of those, they are using their own super secret WED shipyard that's located somewhere north of Antarctica!!

 

[crisi]

Of course DCL couldn't keep the building of a cruise ship secret if they used one of the standard ship yards. They're not using one of those, they are using their own super secret WED shipyard that's located somewhere north of Antarctica!!

I heard they are assembling it on the international space station for maximum secrecy.

 

[tvguy]

Disney did keep the purchase of a large amount of land in Florida a complete secret.

That's because Disney didn't buy the Florida land. Robert Foster did as an individual, under an assumed name, with financing independent of Disney. He was an attorney for Disney. The deal did not need stockholder approval until Disney purchased the land from Robert Foster, which was after it was discovered why Foster had purchased the land.

 

[O'BWV]

Oh yeah, and you know what else? This third ship which is already secretly half built, is going to be the next DVC property. Two rumor mill secrets solved in announcement!



Mary Rose

 

[Float My Boat]

That's because Disney didn't buy the Florida land. Robert Foster did as an individual, under an assumed name, with financing independent of Disney. He was an attorney for Disney. The deal did not need stockholder approval until Disney purchased the land from Robert Foster, which was after it was discovered why Foster had purchased the land.

I know. That's my point.

 

[crisi]

I know. That's my point.

But it wouldn't work today. For one thing, it wouldn't be an arms length transaction and pass audit. For another, you'd have to find an individual who qualifies for hundreds of millions of dollars in financing and is willing to take that as a personal liability without a contract with Disney. The moment Disney or any controlled subsidary has its name on a contract, that becomes a liability that needs to appear on its balance sheets. Then there is the issue of plausible deniability - can Disney really claim that an individual acted without their guidance in contracting a cruise ship to Disney's specifications, if they could find an individual that could and would enter into that contract - not going to pass audit.

This is why Jeffrey Skilling is going to prison. Igers will not go to prison to keep a ship secret.

 

[crisi]

dupe post.

 

[Float My Boat]

I bet the OP is just sitting back and laughing at this whole post! It is interesting to learn how these things work though.

 

[Rence]

That's because Disney didn't buy the Florida land. Robert Foster did as an individual, under an assumed name, with financing independent of Disney. He was an attorney for Disney. The deal did not need stockholder approval until Disney purchased the land from Robert Foster, which was after it was discovered why Foster had purchased the land.

Exactly - Disney did use a front company etc. BUT - it was known that SOMEONE was buying up a bunch of land.

Same thing here - there would be a big ship being built someplace, they might not know who is building the ship but they would know that SOMEONE was building a ship that wasn't tied to an existing cruiseline.

It is easy to obtain a list of what shipyards are building what (see list posted earlier in this thread). All those ships are being built for existing cruiselines. There is no ship being built for 'Company X'. There are message boards that are just as obsessed with the cruise industry as this board is with Disney. A mystery ship would be a huge topic of conversation. And there's not a peep about a ship being built for company unknown.

So there is no Mr. Foster building a cruise ship

 

[Spotdude]

Where did you hear this?

again????????