Disney allowing people in deluxe resorts more headliner attraction with fastpass +

[Lewisc]

That's a total foul and you know it...

My comment is 100% accurate. You can do the research. The park passes for early OKW (just called DVC then) were always scheduled to end. DVC owners got exactly what was officially promised. Disney didn't take them away. The incentive was scheduled to expire. Some owners thought Disney might continue to give them free tickets after the expiration of the offer. Disney doesn't run it's business like Fantasyland.

The prices aren't adjusted for inflation. Disney found customers are willing to pay $$$ for DVC. Do I think DVC is worth what Disney is charging? Probably not. My opinion, and yours, is irrelevant. The point price reflects what customers are willing to pay.

 

[mikek]

My comment is 100% accurate. You can do the research. The park passes for early OKW (just called DVC then) were always scheduled to end. DVC owners got exactly what was officially promised. Disney didn't take them away. The incentive was scheduled to expire. Some owners thought Disney might continue to give them free tickets after the expiration of the offer. Disney doesn't run it's business like Fantasyland.

The prices aren't adjusted for inflation. Disney found customers are willing to pay $$$ for DVC. Do I think DVC is worth what Disney is charging? Probably not. My opinion, and yours, is irrelevant. The point price reflects what customers are willing to pay.

very well said.

My opinion too is "WOW, they charge HOW MUCH for points now and you need to use sooo many more?!?!?!?" but people are buying like mad.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Is this the "the free market dictates and is never wrong"
Defense?

I feel like I've heard it before... The shield of greed.
Just because somebody will pay it ( or put it on their home eq or credit card)... Doesn't mean you're not a slime bucket for charging it.

It's not as good of a deal... Period. And it has gotten worse... Period. I'm not suggesting that they slash prices in half... Merely that the deal has changed. Not for me... Definitely those that are going to pay for points that are getting close to the rack rates in the aggregate

 

[mikek]

Is this the "the free market dictates and is never wrong"
Defense?

I feel like I've heard it before... The shield of greed.
Just because somebody will pay it ( or put it on their home eq or credit card)... Doesn't mean you're not a slime bucket for charging it.

It's not as good of a deal... Period. And it has gotten worse... Period. I'm not suggesting that they slash prices in half... Merely that the deal has changed. Not for me... Definitely those that are going to pay for points that are getting close to the rack rates in the aggregate

are you trying to to argue that disney isn't exactly the kind of thing that should be the free market? Should it be communism and everyone gets one week free vacation there a year? It's a place that people go to for vacation, not food, shelter, healthcare, etc etc.

We're seems many agree it's not a good deal any more- who cares- no one makes anyone buy it?

 

[beer dave]

Not accurate. DVC often offers a sales incentive. 10 years of park passes was the early incentive. Disney didn't take it away. The offer expired. People who purchased under the incentive got the passes which were promised

I stand corrected.

 

[the who #3]

most dvc owners are well aware of the incentive process. you get the incentive once for buying in or add-on. it is not forever.

by owning you get larger rooms space, kitchen if you want, more bathrooms if you want, and get to stay in the luxury resorts on each trip. those are pluses, whether they are worth what you pay is up to the individual. we have found it to be worth it for our family, mostly because of the larger space. also must admit we love the luxe resorts.

dvc owners do spend a lot of money at disney and would like to have a little something in return. we enjoyed a great discount on annual passes last yr. but that may not happen again. i just feel that we should be allowed equal fastpasses, not asking for more, just equal.

 

[mikek]

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dvc owners do spend a lot of money at disney and would like to have a little something in return. we enjoyed a great discount on annual passes last yr. but that may not happen again. i just feel that we should be allowed equal fastpasses, not asking for more, just equal.

I'm sure we'll get equal fastpasses.

part of the curse of us spending a lot with disney is they know we will so they dont need to give us extras all that often. My guess is they attempt to do it 'just often enough' that we feel 'special' and keep spending piles.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

are you trying to to argue that disney isn't exactly the kind of thing that should be the free market? Should it be communism and everyone gets one week free vacation there a year? It's a place that people go to for vacation, not food, shelter, healthcare, etc etc.

We're seems many agree it's not a good deal any more- who cares- no one makes anyone buy it?

Just kinda tired of the "end justifies the price"

DVC used to be mutually beneficial... Current prices seem to be more lopsided .

Just general frustration with "The Company"... They haven't been able to control themselves for 20+ years.

And i don't know anything about communism... It's never existed. Neither has the free market.

 

[beer dave]

I'm sure we'll get equal fastpasses.

part of the curse of us spending a lot with disney is they know we will so they dont need to give us extras all that often. My guess is they attempt to do it 'just often enough' that we feel 'special' and keep spending piles.

Agreed. I still am happy about the increase in the level of our resorts, mostly due to location, that has occurred since SSR. I couldn't imagine having to pay the current points rate.

 

[DebbieB]

Not accurate. DVC often offers a sales incentive. 10 years of park passes was the early incentive. Disney didn't take it away. The offer expired. People who purchased under the incentive got the passes which were promised

It wasn't even 10 years. Members who bought between 1992 and early 1996 got a limited number of length of stay passes for each stay through December 31, 1999. The number of days on your tickets were for the number of nights (not days) you booked with points. So if you stayed 6 days/5 nights, you only got 5 days of passes. You got half the occupancy of your room. So studios & 1 bedrooms got 2, 2 bedrooms 4, grand villas 6 with each points stay. It ended for new members before BWV opened in 1996.

I joined in 1999, all we got was 10% off length of stay. When they replaced LOS with MYW tickets, members were given a $100 AP discount. That was increased to $146 off last year. They also ran the $300 off PAP promo for members last fall. We lost the valet parking perk when Disney decided to outsource the valet parking, not DVC's fault.

 

[beer dave]

yeah-- I liked the free valet. I think its 12 a day for my car to sit in a lot. no thanks.

 

[mikek]

Just kinda tired of the "end justifies the price"

DVC used to be mutually beneficial... Current prices seem to be more lopsided .

Just general frustration with "The Company"... They haven't been able to control themselves for 20+ years.

And i don't know anything about communism... It's never existed. Neither has the free market.

I honestly don't see your complaint- if it's not mutually beneficial with current prices don't buy any more points. Or are you saying the limits to pool hopping, and valet parking changes have now made 15 year old $50 points no good either?

We got sub $50 points back in the day- if i recall our our incentive was a pile of extra points and a discount/pt (at the time i thought they were giving it away). I think we made our money back in like 4-6 years- literally- way back then i kept track of what the accommodations would have cost compared to what we have paid. Once it became totally lopsided for us i just stopped keeping track. since breakeven we've gotten tens of thousands of dollars worth of accommodations for a fraction of that price in annual dues.

As an example- in addition to our DVC I'm grabbing a cabin at FW for an upcoming trip for my family of 5. It's like $500 a night. Figure out what the annual fee would be on the points needed for even a studio- it's a fraction of that. You can get a 1 bedroom and it's still less. Probably for a 2 bedroom and even a villa at an older resort. Sorry i dont have the numbers handy- as i said i dont even need to keep track anymore- i just know i'm way in front of them.

I've NEVER factored in ticket, shopping, dining, etc discounts into my savings- it's all just a bonus for us.

Would i buy today with the cost per point and the number of points needed for newer resorts? I dont know that i would. But if they can get someone to pay then why wouldn't they.

 

[mikek]

Agreed. I still am happy about the increase in the level of our resorts, mostly due to location, that has occurred since SSR. I couldn't imagine having to pay the current points rate.

I hear you for sure. We just dont see the value our selves. But those resorts didn't exist when we bought.

Maybe one day when we're "in between" and my kids are grown but we dont yet have grandkids me and the wife will have points to burn and we'll stay at the newer ones but for now- we're 100% old school and happy for it.

 

[the who #3]

i think this gets to be a little off subject, but i too miss the valet parking and a few other minor issues. we are 10 yr dvc owners and disney guest/visiter for some yrs before that time.

i still would not give up my dvc and do feel that it has saved me money in the long run. we were having to rent 2 separate rooms in the hotel before dvc, because the family was growing up. that was very expensive. also i admit we love the luxury of the luxe resorts. dvc does give us that.

keep in mind that if you want to sell your dvc it now sells for more than you paid for it and you have had the pleasure of using it for the length of ownership. it also sells in a bad economy when no other timeshare will. that proves there must be something really good going on there.

i also love hearing welcome home when we arrive or from other members if i am wearing my dvc jacket/tee shirt.

 

[ftballfan7]

Somebody call the police! Another thread has been highjacked.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Somebody call the police! Another thread has been highjacked.

Yes and no...

DVC often creeps Into threads...but based on investment, frequency of travel, and knowledge/experience...it's not necessarily a "bad" thing.

This thread and how it relates to this particular clientele is kinda relevant

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I honestly don't see your complaint- if it's not mutually beneficial with current prices don't buy any more points. Or are you saying the limits to pool hopping, and valet parking changes have now made 15 year old $50 points no good either?

We got sub $50 points back in the day- if i recall our our incentive was a pile of extra points and a discount/pt (at the time i thought they were giving it away). I think we made our money back in like 4-6 years- literally- way back then i kept track of what the accommodations would have cost compared to what we have paid. Once it became totally lopsided for us i just stopped keeping track. since breakeven we've gotten tens of thousands of dollars worth of accommodations for a fraction of that price in annual dues.

As an example- in addition to our DVC I'm grabbing a cabin at FW for an upcoming trip for my family of 5. It's like $500 a night. Figure out what the annual fee would be on the points needed for even a studio- it's a fraction of that. You can get a 1 bedroom and it's still less. Probably for a 2 bedroom and even a villa at an older resort. Sorry i dont have the numbers handy- as i said i dont even need to keep track anymore- i just know i'm way in front of them.

I've NEVER factored in ticket, shopping, dining, etc discounts into my savings- it's all just a bonus for us.

Would i buy today with the cost per point and the number of points needed for newer resorts? I dont know that i would. But if they can get someone to pay then why wouldn't they.

I think I just don't support Disney's price increase particularly as of late. And I have altered my spending habits to penalize them for that... Though have yet really pull the plug which would not be an Insignificant loss to them.

I don't really have an argument to make...and if I would put some doubt into somebody's mind about buying the points now or down the road...I feel like I haven't wasted my time.

Not really going for point/counterpoint...just throwing it in the wind.
As far as increase...I thought they showed extremely poor taste during the real estate crash period... As they continued without hesitation to increase prices but shield them with discounts. The result is gonna be a "left behind" group that will see the prices reset well out of their means.

Hey...I don't necessarily love extra people around, I don't fall into that category, and I sure as heck don't want them taking my table at Jiko or tuttu Italia...
But I do realize it's gonna suck and that is Disney just pushing things. But somehow that behavior is gonna be lauded as the "champion of capitalism". What if it's not?

Just philosophy...I suppose.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Agreed. I still am happy about the increase in the level of our resorts, mostly due to location, that has occurred since SSR. I couldn't imagine having to pay the current points rate.

Now this I do agree with and it's a huge perk...

As much as I couldn't stand the stupid credit craziness construction at Saratoga at what it did to the points from 2005-2009...the worm started to turn with kidani and then really started getting back with bay lake, treehouses, and going forward on the monorail line. Even Saratoga might get a bump in demand in a few years.

I also hope they learned their lesson about trying to dump as many memberships into the system as possible by overbuilding on an otherwise unattractive/useless site. Which is exactly what Saratoga was.

And no...wouldn't buy points at current prices. Part of the deal is recognition that I will continue to get gouged more and more each year... Particularly on tickets and food...
The "deal" was discounts on rooms that grow. $200 points kill that. The sales pitch has always been "the costs of rooms will only go up "

I disagree completely moving forward and think Disney knows full well that they will run into a market cap on rooms. For what they provide... The sky is not the limit on price. A room at Caribbean will never fetch $450 a

night and beach club will never get $1200...
The place will close its doors long before that point could be reached.

So I wouldn't play the game when one side is loading the rules. Can't ever win.