Discuss the "new" menus here

The prosepect of emaciated children barely making it through a week at Disney is frightening. How will they have the energy to survive? Limited calories...no fat...OH MY GOD....the horror. What will we do? ;)

Scenes from Oliver Twist come to mind....May I have another sir...PLEASE?

Maybe there is a business opportunity to open an AYCE buffet in Orlando...we can call it "The Feeding Trough". All the pressed chicken parts you can eat....We'll make " a killing" :rotfl:
 
Hopefully it will include something beyond:

Cardboard w/cheese

Fruit or vegetable of your choice (so we don't feel bad about serving your kid cardboard w/cheese)

Dessert which emits brainwaves when hooked up to an EEG (sugar free of course)
 

No I just actually don't understand how you could literally create a meal which satisfies, but does not significantly exceed, the calorie needs of a child aged 3 at the same time as satisfying, but not significantly exceeding, the calorie needs of a child aged 10. It's a physical impossibility.
 
Kath2003 said:
No I just actually don't understand how you could literally create a meal which satisfies, but does not significantly exceed, the calorie needs of a child aged 3 at the same time as satisfying, but not significantly exceeding, the calorie needs of a child aged 10. It's a physical impossibility.

USDA recommendations for a moderately active 3 year old = 1400 calories and 9 years old = 1800 calories DAILY. If you divide the 400 calorie difference between 3 meals, the difference between the 3 year old and a 9 year old is 133 calories per meal. Very easy to accomodate both. Additionally, you have to assume that children will be eating between meals to make up the difference as well. :teacher:
 
I haven't read this whole thread, so I apologize if this point has been mentioned already, but why is a corporation regulating what we feed our children? I understand that obesity, especially childhood obesity, is a big problem in this country, but I don't think it is Disney's (or any other company's) responsibility to "police" what I can and cannot feed my family. I applaud them for offering healthier options, but I think those options should be offered in addition to, not instead of, the "junk food" indulgences that some people enjoy while on vacation. Also, as has been mentioned just a few posts up, some children need more fat to gain or maintain a healthy weight and restricting their fat intake is actually detrimental to their health. I just think it should be up to parents to decide what foods are right for their children.
 
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SteeleTig said:
I applaud them for offering healthier options, but I think those options should be offered in addition to, not instead of, the "junk food" indulgences that some people enjoy while on vacation.

If you sift the large amount of misinformation being circulated, this is truly what Disney is doing.

My DD8 has seen the menu and is looking forward to trying it. I am certain that with all the great "grazing" opportunities at the parks, a lighter meal at dinner will probably mean that more food gets eaten than left on the plate.
 
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While the article mentions the fat and sugar content percentages that they're trying to meet, I'd be curioius to know what total calorie content the meals have. A nine year old may weigh twice as much as a 3 year old, and obviously have different caloric needs. My little guy is not yet 3 and he would probably be full after eating one of the new meals, but I'm not sure it would satisfy an 8 or 9 year old.
 
This all reminds me of my mother's philosophy of feeding a family of 6 kids:

"If you don't like it, tough."

I understand that people are frustrated and upset. We are planners! That's why we spend our time here. Change to our carefully crafted plans isn't comfortable or easy for us. Others have (sometimes lovingly) called us control freaks. We raise children who have the same tendencies (especially in areas of their life that they have control over, like what they eat). A surprise like this STINKS. My initial reaction was outrage, but I've been working on moving past.


I guess my feeling is that the rest of the world isn't so involved in planning. They don't know what a Fastpass is or even that there are four separate parks! They don't know what their 8 year old will be eating 6 months from now. They will wander into a restaurant and order from the menu. If they don't see something they want they will go to another (likely Disney) restaurant and find the same things and buy an unsatisfying meal and then fill up on stuff from the carts conveniently scattered around the park.

Disney doesn't lose here. They standardize menus (and reduce costs), they get good PR for being more health concious, and they get more people to buy junk from their carts to suppliment the apparently dramatic caloric needs of a 9 year old. Disney is not dictating what you feed your child. (You can still shovel as many Mickey bars into them as they can hold). Disney is making a sound business decision that makes sense in today's climate.

My point is that there is very little incentive for Disney to change. They may add some options or change some out (and the more vocal patrons are, the more likely that is to happen), but it's likely this new program is here to stay. Because of that, I will let my comments be known to the corporation, be appreciative when I feel heard, and then put on my big girl pants and deal.

Just my perspective...
 
FYI,

I read in my weekly allearsnet newsletter that one of the editors spoke to some of the restaurant managers who claim that the response to these new kids' menus has been overwhelmingly negative. They said that in the near future Disney will be making adjustments to these menus - what those adjustments may be wasn't mentioned. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Our DD7 was never a big fan of the kids menus (she thought they were boring), but these new menus would be just as boring, I'm sure. She always ordered something from the kids menu, but ended up tasting quite a bit from our adult dinners and liking our food much more. This will probably continue for her, but for our next short trip, we'll be eating at Citricos (first time!), the Plaza, Restaurant Marrakesh and San Angel Inn (and we usually have a big breakfast so we don't do CS), so I don't think we'll be seeing the new kids' menu this time (12/06). I'll report back with any info. I can gather, though!




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StevePSU1 said:
USDA recommendations for a moderately active 3 year old = 1400 calories and 9 years old = 1800 calories DAILY. If you divide the 400 calorie difference between 3 meals, the difference between the 3 year old and a 9 year old is 133 calories per meal. Very easy to accomodate both. Additionally, you have to assume that children will be eating between meals to make up the difference as well. :teacher:

Is it wonderful that every child is different? My child is a very active 34-month old. He is between 35 and 36 inches tall. He weighs 28 pounds. He is not a "pickey eater" in terms of only likely a few foods - he will eat a wide variety of foods, from guacomole and black beans and rice to grilled salmon and green beans to the ubiquitous macaroni and cheese. He has always been on the low side of the weight curve, at times dropping off completely. Based on recommendations of pediatricians and nutritionists, we are constantly finding ways to "plus" his food with calories. Mac and cheese gets extra butter and extra cheese. Cooked vegetables get extra butter, and so on. One thing is, although he has a wide variety of food he eats, it does not mean he will eat the same thing every day. Far from it. One day, pizza may elicite a "WOW!" and big, wide eyes, another day pizza may be turned down completely. Yesterday guacamole was a big hit, but tomorrow he would likely refuse it. I've seen him turn down even the favorites of macaroni and cheese and oreo cookies in favor of something else.

So our approach is to provide a variety of foods. Now, we could take the aproach of "this isn't a restaurant, eat what you have in front of you." Two things about that, first we don't have that much of a luxury because if he doesn't want to eat it he won't. He'll go without, and he's had days where he basically goes without eating if he isn't in the mood to eat. Second, we recognize that he is a normally developing two-year-old, and is seeking autonomy. One thing that a child this age can have a since of control over is what they put in their mouths. We can hit that head on in a direct head-to-head conflict and insist on imposing our will and ulitmately we could win that conflict. We are bigger and stronger. Or, we can take the approach that we use and say "you can eat X or Y, which would you like?" and give him a choice. The options we give on a given occasion are limited, and we can live with either choice. And sometimes it is just a mattter of "do you want a giant pancake or silver-dollar sized pancakes?" Guess what, kid, you having a pancake, but it feels to him that he had a choice there and we avoid making an issue out of forcing food. Because our child has always been a hit or miss eater, we take that approach. That means we have to put the forethought into structuring the situation rather than just forcing the issue.

Our child has had a lot of restaurant experience and is well-behaved for his age. There has been a temper-tantrum or two in his lifetime that resulted in being removed, but 9/10 times he is great. At disney world our child is very active. He plays in the playgrounds, swims in the pools, explores in the parks. What a kid should be doing. He does burn a lot of energy. He isn't on a low-fat diet at home, he shouldn't be on vacation. I certainly won't be. I don't think a restricted range of meal choices are in his best interest, or any other kid. Again, I don't think that low-fat diets are at all appropriate for young children. I am concerned about the availability of things like whole milk rather than reduced fat milk, and so on.

It would have been so simple to include these menus in a way that wouldn't seem repetitive. I can imagine older kids getting really burned out on seeing the same thing over and over.

They have three low-fat diets, a, b, and c. Pick two of those for each restaurant and you have three combinations:
ab
bc
ac

They have two pretty standard non-low-fat meals, hamburger or mac and cheese. Add a third one, say chicken nuggets, and then pick two for each restaurant and you have three combinations:
de
ef
df

Now, you have nine combinations of two low-fat meals and two non-low-fat meals:
abde
abef
abdf
bcde
bcef
bcdf
acde
acef
acdf

Now, add one meal to each restaurant that is tied to the theme of that restaurant (e.g., spaghetti and meatballs at tony's and mama melrose; kid's turkey and dressing feast at liberty tree; mahi mahi at kona; steak at concourse; shrimp at olivias, etc.).

Now there are five items at each restuarant, the same as with this plan. But there are no restaurants with identicial menus. There are at least two low-fat options at each restaurant, and at least two "typical kid comfort food" options at each restaurant. Plus something thematic at each one. So parents who restrict the menus of their children to low-fat can still have choices, parents who do not still have choices. On the financial side, disney still benefits from having the limited range if menu items (six standardized menu items vs. the current five) plus one thing that is from the ingredients already available at that particular location. Additionally, disney also has the benefits of "fitting" the children's meu to reflect the dining plan (e.g., kids meals with "kids" appetizers, increased cost of kids meals) that were associated with this meal plan change.

This would give variety and keep children and parents from seeing the same menu at lunch and supper in 11 restaurants. It would be better show, better for the kids, and better for the parents. It would have all the benefits of the current standardized menu and reduce the drawbacks.
 
We were at WDW the week of November 4th and we ate at a number of restaurants. We never encountered the new menu. We ate at 1 buffet, 1 family style and 4 menu driven restaurants.

Our choices were WCC, where the skillet is still available to kids, along with a burger and I think m&C, Coral Reef, which is our favorite (I have the menu in front of me now and the options are veggie plate, smoked fish chowder or lobster soup for appie, grilled chicken breast w/ mashed potatoes and veggies, grilled mahi mahi w/ same sides above, pizza or Triton's pasta w/ choice of marinara sauce or cheese sauce for entree, and coral reef peanut butter crunch bar or build your own sundae for dessert), LeCellier (where my son could have the cheese soup as an appie...we switched and I ate his while he ate my tenderloin kebob, and he ordered the steak which was great) and Wolfgang Puck (where each boy had pizza...one pepperoni, one plain).

I cannot confirm that more changes are not going to be made shortly. My conversations w/ guest communications and the executive offices has led me to believe that there will be more changes after Thanksgiving. I have friends going down on Monday and 2 of their kids are 9. I will ask them to collect up menus with the kids meals so I can report if any further changes have been made.

We are going back in February for ds's 9th birthday. If there are further changes made and LeCellier or Coral Reef restrict their choices (and frankly, I love their menus now), we will age ds up to 10 and get him the adult plan. I will not tell him on his birthday that he can't eat what he wants, and since there are 4 other people on the plan, the extra food will be absorbed by all.

Also, Cosmic Rays and ABC Commissary have chicken nuggets. CR has chicken nuggets, chicken noodle soup, garden salad w/ chicken and corn dogs. I'm pretty sure the Electric Umbrella has chicken nuggets too. I believe Pecos Bills does not (we didn't eat there this trip).
 
janets said:
Also, Cosmic Rays and ABC Commissary have chicken nuggets. CR has chicken nuggets, chicken noodle soup, garden salad w/ chicken and corn dogs. I'm pretty sure the Electric Umbrella has chicken nuggets too. I believe Pecos Bills does not (we didn't eat there this trip).

We were there the same time. Pecos Bills offers a kid's sloppy joe. DS didn't like it, but I tasted it..it was an average sloppy joe.
 
elainabelle said:
I don't allow my kids to have sugar substitute. I was looking at the kids desserts on the new menu's and it seems to me that the only option is a sugar free jello. Does anyone know if they are willing to substitute something else for the sf jello? In particular at Cosmic Rays in MK? That has always been my kids favorite CS at MK.


I emailed last week and received a follow up phone call two days later. One of my concerns was about the sugar substitute issue (products with sugar substitute should not be given to children unless they are on calorie restricted diets). She denied that the counter service menus had uniformly changed the kids dessert to sugar free jello but when I pressed the issue, she suggested that I request an adult's dessert for my child at CS and "see what happens" :confused3 . She went on to say that I could purchase dessert type items throughout the park (oop, of course) if the kids CS dessert was not suitable. Alrighty then...
 
frndofpooh said:
I emailed last week and received a follow up phone call two days later. One of my concerns was about the sugar substitute issue (products with sugar substitute should not be given to children unless they are on calorie restricted diets). She denied that the counter service menus had uniformly changed the kids dessert to sugar free jello but when I pressed the issue, she suggested that I request an adult's dessert for my child at CS and "see what happens" :confused3 . She went on to say that I could purchase dessert type items throughout the park (oop, of course) if the kids CS dessert was not suitable. Alrighty then...

I never got the jello for my younger ds. A few times, they asked me if I wanted it and I said no and most of those times, they offered me something else from the other desserts. So I don't think you'll have much of a problem. Besides, there is so much food that personally I prefer to skip the lunch dessert anyway.
 
I got a return call today regarding my concerns about kids menu. I explained how happy we were to have them eliminating trans fats, as that is what we have done at home for some time now. And that we ONLY buy transfat free products. I explained how the new Disney food line looked great and we can't wait to try the organic ravioli. The kid portioned frozen treats are great!! (OK--I ate a Mickey Bar and they were EXCELLENT....only about 140 calories and rich, but I digress....) I asked her if we could possibly some time see these items at the parks, she didn't know. She assured me that changes were coming and that before our next trip there would be changes made. She assured me that fries and soda would be available everywhere (I asked--it is vacation). She said there would still be the McDonald food carts (again, wanted to know). She said they may be moving to doing menu changes every 6 months and there may be a differing variety on them. She was super nice; and did try to assure me that changes were coming. I explained to her that we wanted to avoid having to go to three different places to please everyone and she said she thanked me for calling and to keep watching for updates. I'll keep looking at current trip reports of returning Disers to see what happens.
 
Since we don't do the dining plan, I guess my girls will be splitting an adult entree so they have a variety of choices. :rolleyes:
 
janets said:
I never got the jello for my younger ds. A few times, they asked me if I wanted it and I said no and most of those times, they offered me something else from the other desserts. So I don't think you'll have much of a problem. Besides, there is so much food that personally I prefer to skip the lunch dessert anyway.


We were there last week and were not on the DDP. We ate at several counter service places, and chose applesauce for dd2 each time.
 












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