Debt Dumpers - 2016

Wow, 16k is a great deal @dayvewc!! Congrats!

Yeah, that was my thought. I wasn't planning on a new car. But when I decided I was going to have to finance anyway, this became a good deal, since it met most all my requirements and was offered less than the asking price of most of the quality used cars. The only complaint I have after a day is it could use more storage space.

Plus, I get 2 free oil changes, then $10 oil changes for life after.
 
I did that with the first car I bought. Way back in the early 90's, I got a car that was a bank repossession. I don't remember how many miles it had on it, but it wasn't many. I do remember that it was only 6 months off the car lot and the cost was significantly less than buying a new one. One advantage of growing up in a small town, the president of one of the local banks went to our church, so the parents let him know we were looking to get a car for me to go to college and he told them that the bank was in the process of reclaiming the car. Worked out nice for me, but I always kind of wondered about the person that couldn't keep it.



I always carry full coverage since the late 90's when my Jeep Wrangler died from mechanical issues. Having to come up with money for a replacement vehicle with little warning convinced me it was worth keeping full coverage. I may not get much from the insurance, but at least I'd get enough for a down payment. (Like this time).



You might be surprised. The sticker price on my Encore was $25k and they came down to $16k before I paid my downpayment.

I actually did compare apples to oranges, as well as Granny Smith Apples to Red Delicious, and even plain apples to apples.
The dealerships that had cars in my price range to pay cash, all of them were 8 year old or older, with 170k miles or higher. Most of them were 10 years old or older, and with more than 200k miles to begin with.

When I was looking at fleet and end-of-lease vehicles, the prices went up to $12k minimum, and even those had more than 40k miles on them and they wouldn't go past 54 months on the financing.

The next bracket started at $15k and had 30k miles or less, and were 2014 and 2015 models, but the initial sticker price was significantly less than the MSRP on the Encore.

Comparing Encores specifically, the least expensive one I was able to find was $19,800, and was a 2014 model with 35k miles.

So, what I saw was I could
1) pay cash for a clunker and accept that I'm going to keep paying maintenance for a while on something that probably won't be worth a lot.
2) Accept that I was going to have to finance, and either A) finance a little less money for less time or B) finance more money for longer, both options which came out to really close to the same payment (All of them were between $250 and $300 per month).
3) get a slightly used car that was initially worth less and pay a higher monthly rate
4) get a slightly used car with comparable initial value and finance a higher amount
5) get a brand new car and finance a lower amount for a longer time.

I'm not saying that there wasn't a better deal out there, but in the immediacy of having 4 days to find a replacement car, I feel like I got a good deal.

One of the things that limited the available pool of acceptable cars is the fact that I drive between 800 and 1000 miles every week. So, any car that wasn't rated at 30 mpg or higher I did not even consider. When I first got to the dealer, they showed me a nice used car that actually was cheaper than what I financed, with relatively low mileage, but with an estimated mpg of 18. My little Vibe was getting 35-36 mpg and I was paying between $200 and $250 a month in gas. So, if I cut the mileage in half, that doubles the cost of gas, and adding $200 to $250 a month in gas is almost a complete car payment in itself.



Yeah, I have lived in 3 or 4 states in my life. Some of them didn't have property taxes, but had high sales taxes. Some had low sales tax, or no sales tax on food and clothes (or even no sales tax at all) but had high property taxes. One had property tax on housing, but not cars, but had high registration taxes on them. It seems like in general, the taxes I paid were fairly consistent across the years, it was just a matter of where, when, and under what reason it was collected. That being said, I've never lived directly in a major metropolitan area, though I did spend 15 months close to Minneapolis/St. Paul. (About 30 miles south of the Mississippi creek. It's not a full river up there :rotfl2:)



All I can say is "See the CarFax"! And if they don't have one, or won't show it, move on.



I don't know about other states, but here in Arkansas, we have a "lemon law". If a new car has to go back for mechanical repairs more than 3 (?) times in the first year (maybe 18 months), or the total repairs are more than a set percentage of the initial value of the car, the dealer is required to replace it with a different car or refund the amount paid. That does not include repairs for accidents or normal wear and tear. But if it consistently has issues, then there is a resolution available. I have never had to deal with it, but I had a friend in college that got a brand new truck for high school graduation, and before the summer was over it had been in the shop for transmission problems a couple of times and it seems like it also had an engine problem. He wound up with a year newer model for the same payment.


We have a lemon law here too - but you have to go through a lot of stuff or have a major problem like the engine for them just to hand you a new car. Glad your happy with your new car!
 
Sorry to derail the car comments, though congrats/best of luck to everyone looking at/buying new cars! I bought used off craigslist last year. I was very fortunate that it's been a great deal with no problems in the year that I've owned it now. Probably another car I'll drive into the ground. I had driven my previous car until 265k miles before it finally gave out.

Didn't dump any debt, but freed up a little more money each month today. I have been saying for a while now that I was going to leave Verizon and switch to AT&T. To make a long story short, I don't have an unlimited data package for internet in my area, so having unlimited data on my cell phone is very important as I can't connect to my internet when I'm home and pull off that data. I've been grandfathered into Verizon's unlimited data plan for years, and they finally raised the rate to the point that it was costing me $150/month, NOT including the price of a new phone. :scared: I had a super old iPhone 5 that my FIL gave me. He got the phone when it first came out, so I guess it's about 3 and a half years old now. I looked at it today and realized the entire screen was literally peeling away from the rest of the phone. So I got in the car and finally went to AT&T. I got unlimited data, a free brand new iPhone 6s, and my bill will be about $110/month including taxes! Woohoo!
 
Yeah, that was my thought. I wasn't planning on a new car. But when I decided I was going to have to finance anyway, this became a good deal, since it met most all my requirements and was offered less than the asking price of most of the quality used cars. The only complaint I have after a day is it could use more storage space.

Plus, I get 2 free oil changes, then $10 oil changes for life after.

Wow you did pretty good!:thumbsup2:thumbsup2
When you put that many miles on a car then fuel costs are important.
My train station to Philly is only 2.7 miles from home (yeah I should be biking my fat ars there) so not only do I not worry much about mileage, I qualify for "pleasure use" rates for car insurance. That makes it cheap compared to other rates such as "drives <10 miles to work" or "drives >10 miles to work.
So my car will be 10 in July and it's about to turn over to 49k miles.
At this rate it should last me til it's 40!
Lol
 

Wow you did pretty good!:thumbsup2:thumbsup2
When you put that many miles on a car then fuel costs are important.
My train station to Philly is only 2.7 miles from home (yeah I should be biking my fat ars there) so not only do I not worry much about mileage, I qualify for "pleasure use" rates for car insurance. That makes it cheap compared to other rates such as "drives <10 miles to work" or "drives >10 miles to work.
So my car will be 10 in July and it's about to turn over to 49k miles.
At this rate it should last me til it's 40!
Lol

Thanks.

I generally don't like the idea of a new car, and exactly for the reasons everyone was talking about. Just this time, in this instance, it actually was a good deal.

I can't talk about driving to work. For 2 years, I lived next door to the school I was teaching at. Literally, across the practice football field from my classroom. And I would drive over every day anyway. My excuse was it was easier to carry all the papers back and forth in the car than by hand, but that was just an excuse. It was probably more difficult to load and unload them all every day.

That is awesome that you have so few miles on your car. I can barely imagine having a car that old with that few miles. I hope it does last that long for you. Can you imagine the trade in conversation? "Yes, this is a classic antique car, with only 80k actual miles. Everything is original, including the oil!!" lol
 
Thanks.

I generally don't like the idea of a new car, and exactly for the reasons everyone was talking about. Just this time, in this instance, it actually was a good deal.

I can't talk about driving to work. For 2 years, I lived next door to the school I was teaching at. Literally, across the practice football field from my classroom. And I would drive over every day anyway. My excuse was it was easier to carry all the papers back and forth in the car than by hand, but that was just an excuse. It was probably more difficult to load and unload them all every day.

That is awesome that you have so few miles on your car. I can barely imagine having a car that old with that few miles. I hope it does last that long for you. Can you imagine the trade in conversation? "Yes, this is a classic antique car, with only 80k actual miles. Everything is original, including the oil!!" lol
:rotfl2:
 
Wow you did pretty good!:thumbsup2:thumbsup2
When you put that many miles on a car then fuel costs are important.
My train station to Philly is only 2.7 miles from home (yeah I should be biking my fat ars there) so not only do I not worry much about mileage, I qualify for "pleasure use" rates for car insurance. That makes it cheap compared to other rates such as "drives <10 miles to work" or "drives >10 miles to work.
So my car will be 10 in July and it's about to turn over to 49k miles.
At this rate it should last me til it's 40!
Lol
I can relate to this. DS has a 2005 Mustang with 52,000 miles on it. He about died when it got to 40K thinking it would fall apart. He loves that car!

I started to buy a new car earlier this year but decided not to. I wanted it and still do but didn't want the payments on it. They weren't much over what I wanted to pay and were actually doable but I still wouldn't do it. Lol
 
Well... bad news here. Monday did a number on me today. Super stressful at work, then took my car in and waited an hour for them to look at it. In addition to the existing issues that I was aware of, apparently the drain plug on my oil is so damaged they couldn't get it off to do the oil change it's due for. Quote to repair that alone was $800. The guy basically advised me that it's not worth it for my car. It's only worth about $500 and I'm looking at well over 1k to do all the work that's needed on it.

So. I guess I will be car shopping now and hoping I can get a loan. I do have a small downpayment and good credit, so we'll see.

You know it's a bad day when you just keep reciting "I can do this, it will be okay" over and over again to yourself.
 
Well... bad news here. Monday did a number on me today. Super stressful at work, then took my car in and waited an hour for them to look at it. In addition to the existing issues that I was aware of, apparently the drain plug on my oil is so damaged they couldn't get it off to do the oil change it's due for. Quote to repair that alone was $800. The guy basically advised me that it's not worth it for my car. It's only worth about $500 and I'm looking at well over 1k to do all the work that's needed on it.

So. I guess I will be car shopping now and hoping I can get a loan. I do have a small downpayment and good credit, so we'll see.

You know it's a bad day when you just keep reciting "I can do this, it will be okay" over and over again to yourself.
:hug:
Add to that, "This too, shall pass."
I hope you find a decent car that doesn't ruin your budget. :goodvibes
 
Thanks, I hope so too. I'm going to save every dime I can and just keep driving it until it gets too bad to do so. It is running fine this afternoon.

On the semi-bright side, at least you know now that you are going to need a replacement car in the near future. You will have a little time to search and find the best possible one for you.
 
On the semi-bright side, at least you know now that you are going to need a replacement car in the near future. You will have a little time to search and find the best possible one for you.

Yeah, I am just concerned about getting a loan. I just did an application online with my bank and am supposed to get a response within 24 hours. I plan to compare with a local credit union. I'm not worried about being able to make payments because I'm pretty frugal overall and have been putting an extra $600 or so toward my cc payments each month for awhile now. But according to a DTI calculator with my rent payments it could be iffy. Hopefully my good credit score (depending on which scoring model they use) along with 100% track record of on time payments and a downpayment will help my case.
 
Just a few small updates:

* We're continuing our savings. Since my DH is self-employed, we're trying to get a nice chunk of money socked away before re-starting debt snowball.

* School is almost out for summer! Yay! Once we are officially on summer break, I can start eBaying more frequently= more money to savings.

* We do plan on keeping our Florida trip on the books. The majority of it is paid for already, and we can tweak details if necessary.

That's about all from here. Have a great week ahead! :wizard:
 
Geez, everyone is having the worst luck with cars!! I'm so sorry, guys! I had the same issue last year and it's a bummer. Once DH and I get our smaller debts paid off, I need to start putting aside for a car again. Both mine and DH's cars are fine, but I've been drooling over my friend's Prius ever since she got it. 43 MPG. :love: Not as much of a concern for me now that my commute will be almost cut in half, but it would be great to have something with better fuel efficiency for DH's drive, especially since he sits in traffic.
 
Oof, so many car issues - I hope I don't follow suit soon! My car is pretty old (1997) but has been rock solid except for basic maintenance. OK, well my battery did finally die in my dentists parking lot on Thursday leaving me later to work than I meant to be, but to be fair it was from 2008 so it lasted longer than it probably should have anyway! ;) No new cars in my near future I hope since we have money down on a Tesla 3, but congratulations to everyone on finding theirs.

I'd like to say we have been plugging away at our debt but I would be lying... We have been spending almost as fast as we have been paying it down since March due to upcoming vacations. After this last payment on 6/1 for it I hope we can just focus full speed ahead. My husband is pushing HARD to go to Japan in April which we had been planning to do but when I saw we were treading water for the last two months I put my foot down and said we needed to wait on that.

Its been over a year since we were told we'd be getting a minor inheritance from his late Grandmother's estate and we're going to have to face the facts that our "pay off our largest CC bill easily" is just not going to come to fruition. I am not sure what on earth the executor has been doing over the last 12 months aside from rack up expensive lawyer fees. My mother in law is in even worse shape - she actively needed the money due to some unforeseen circumstances with her small business so far this year and will now need to take out a home equity loan whereas she would have had more than enough from her portion. She is still banking on getting it eventually to wipe the loan out but I am starting to wonder if there will be anything left at this rate. They haven't even sold the house and it is falling into serious disrepair at this point having sat empty for so long! :sad2: I am so glad we didn't NEED the help, it just would have been nice...
 
Yeah, I am just concerned about getting a loan. I just did an application online with my bank and am supposed to get a response within 24 hours. I plan to compare with a local credit union. I'm not worried about being able to make payments because I'm pretty frugal overall and have been putting an extra $600 or so toward my cc payments each month for awhile now. But according to a DTI calculator with my rent payments it could be iffy. Hopefully my good credit score (depending on which scoring model they use) along with 100% track record of on time payments and a downpayment will help my case.

Well, I don't have great credit, and managed to get a loan. I'm sure you will get one too, it just may not be with as great an interest rate as you'd like.
 
So I got a text from my sister today that she's finally growing up! Haha no not really but she's making improvements which I'm happy about. She asked me to help her with a budget. She's also realized she needs to live on ramen and PBJ to get out of the hole she has dug. I told her it won't last forever but if she does this it would help.

Having said that, I've never been a single person. I've been a single mom or a two income household, since I was 18! How does one budget for a single persons needs? I'm asking about things like food, clothing, fun money, eating out, etc. Do you suggest a percentage or just what's left over? I know it's similar to my needs but having a kid for 13 1/2 years it's very surreal doing this and I don't want to underestimate and make her feel like this is impossible.

I'm so proud of her though I think I'm going to buy her a housewarming gift when she moves! I'm thinking a case of Kraft Mac 'n cheese and a half gallon of milk! Haha
 
So I got a text from my sister today that she's finally growing up! Haha no not really but she's making improvements which I'm happy about. She asked me to help her with a budget. She's also realized she needs to live on ramen and PBJ to get out of the hole she has dug. I told her it won't last forever but if she does this it would help.

Having said that, I've never been a single person. I've been a single mom or a two income household, since I was 18! How does one budget for a single persons needs? I'm asking about things like food, clothing, fun money, eating out, etc. Do you suggest a percentage or just what's left over? I know it's similar to my needs but having a kid for 13 1/2 years it's very surreal doing this and I don't want to underestimate and make her feel like this is impossible.

I'm so proud of her though I think I'm going to buy her a housewarming gift when she moves! I'm thinking a case of Kraft Mac 'n cheese and a half gallon of milk! Haha

I budget $150 a month for food. One of the first things I did when I moved out into a house was to buy a chest freezer, and then I buy bulk whenever I can. If it can be frozen or stored, I buy it. Case of cream of chicken soup for 2/3 price? I'll take that. Then I use simple recipes to make casseroles, and freeze 4-6 meals out of each. It keeps my per serving cost relatively low, since the most expensive stuff out there is single serving items.

Clothing I just plan on $25 a month set aside. I only shop for clothes about twice a year, but by then I've got $150 - $200 in my clothing budget.

Fun money? That's what the 2nd job was for!! :rotfl2:
 
So I got a text from my sister today that she's finally growing up! Haha no not really but she's making improvements which I'm happy about. She asked me to help her with a budget. She's also realized she needs to live on ramen and PBJ to get out of the hole she has dug. I told her it won't last forever but if she does this it would help.

Having said that, I've never been a single person. I've been a single mom or a two income household, since I was 18! How does one budget for a single persons needs? I'm asking about things like food, clothing, fun money, eating out, etc. Do you suggest a percentage or just what's left over? I know it's similar to my needs but having a kid for 13 1/2 years it's very surreal doing this and I don't want to underestimate and make her feel like this is impossible.

I'm so proud of her though I think I'm going to buy her a housewarming gift when she moves! I'm thinking a case of Kraft Mac 'n cheese and a half gallon of milk! Haha

I don't think I can offer good advice since I'm still struggling with budgeting for a single person myself. It is definitely harder when you don't have someone to share the burden of rent and other payments, especially in an expensive area. I would say her budget for food, clothing, etc will be dependent on what percentage of her income goes to housing, retirement savings, debt payments, etc. There's no way to really give an estimate without knowing those factors. Glad she is growing up though!
 
I don't think I can offer good advice since I'm still struggling with budgeting for a single person myself. It is definitely harder when you don't have someone to share the burden of rent and other payments, especially in an expensive area. I would say her budget for food, clothing, etc will be dependent on what percentage of her income goes to housing, retirement savings, debt payments, etc. There's no way to really give an estimate without knowing those factors. Glad she is growing up though!

Budgeting for one is just like budgeting for two...just less money and less expenses lol.

What you want to do is a zero based budget meaning you allocate every dollar you make so at the end of your budget you have zero.

Start by writing down all her required expenses....housing, car, phone, etc. then look at allocating the money left between food, debt, etc... If the budget is upside down, look at ways to cut expenses or make more money. It takes a few months of trial and error to figure out what you need to spend on food, laundry, etc... But you've got to start somewhere.
 












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