DCL broke my luggage

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The 10% IS the depreciation that Jim is talking about. FMV - 10% (for depreciation) = what DCL is offering you.

No, this IS NOT the depreciation. :mad:

Please read my previous post: the 10% is soley for not having the original reciept while there is an additional 15% depreciation being deducted.

so DCL is offering FMV (less sales tax) - 10% (no original reciept) - 15% (depreciation)
 
If it isn't that expensive and not worth it to you to go to the trouble of keeping the receipt, why are you going through so much trouble to get it repaired/replaced, and making such a big deal out of every cent not being accounted for? If you want that type of treatment, keep the receipt! But even if you had the receipt, I still would not think you should expect the entire amount, plus tax, plus shipping, plus whatever else you are asking for. If you had the receipt, which you deemed unimportant, you'd get more. That is a fact. They are under no obligation to offer you anything, do you not see that? Do you really think that they should go by no proof and offer you every penny you ever contemplated spending on that not-expensive-enough-to-keep-the-receipt piece of luggage?

Just because I don't think a $320 luggage is expensive and just becasue I did not keep the recipet does not mean that I should not go through the trouble when someone else broke my luggage. I hope this is clear. It's a matter of principles.

And as others have said, market value minus depreciation seems to be the widely accepted method. In this case, the market value is clearly available - $320 plus applicable tax. Hence, it is not a good practice to deduct an additional 10% for not having the reciept, clear?

How about you use the example of a car. A car is worth less than you paid for it the minute you drive it off the lot. Is the entire value of a car replaced if damaged?

Yes, in certain cases and no in others. In your example of a car, it mostly depend on your auto insurance contract. For example, if you have a lease car, you will most definiltey have an insurance contract that will reimbuse you FULL MSRP if there is a "total lost" of the car. This is because the leasing company would need this full amount.

If you own the car yourself, it will be depreciated accordingly, but this is entirely because without depreciation, car owners would have the "intention" to get into accident and get a total lost to "gain." (the gain being the difference between full MSRP vs true value of car). Anyway, this is what a "moral hazard" is defined in insurance terms.

In other insurance, where you don't have moral hazard, the insurance will almost always be full REPLACEMENT value. For example, your household contents insurance - if your house get robbed, your household contents insurance will pay you back items lost at replacement value, not depreciated. And if your house gets burned down, the homeowner insurance will also pay replacement value which is often more than the original price (well, except in today's world of housing crash, it might be different).

And if you have any sort of insurance for any particular things - for example, jewlery, musical instruments, etc. It will also be replacement cost, not original value.

Anyway, this is probably more than what you want to know. ;)


What if they no longer make that car?
Then, there will be a third party to come up with an appraised value of the item/car/whatever.
 
And the police won't be paying your claim either. Your insurance company, who will be paying, is going to ask for proof and they WILL NOT pay current cost, they pay an extremely depreciated cost.

Nope, with a policy report, they will pay replacement. Without a police report, the story will be very different. ;)

We've got things stolen off our front yard (amazing, I know) in the states. Anyway, the neighborhood association believed it must've been foul play by the local high school kids. Filed police report. Called insurance company. Everything paid out, no question asked as there's a police report (if I've lied, it's then a fraud!).
 
It's when you're inconvenienced and it costs you money due to no fault of your own that's the rub here. I think we can understand the frustration when we're talking thousands of dollars .... and it's no different if it's thousands or just a few hundred.

Thanks, that's my point. I feel like I should either get the suitcase repaired at DCL's cost or if it's not possible, a replacement at their expense. That's it...

And while a depreciation is understandble, I am still suffering to understand the "penalty" of the 10% for no reciept, plus an additional 7% for sales tax. :sad2:

Oh well...

still waiting on the check though... let's see how long that'll take
 

Hence, it is not a good practice to deduct an additional 10% for not having the reciept, clear?[\quote]

That 'practice' is what most retailers will do when you try to return something without a receipt...they give you the lowest selling price of the item over a certain period of time (usually 30 days), because you cannot prove what you paid.

You can't prove that you paid full price. Maybe you got it on sale...or maybe the prices were lower three years ago when you purchased it. You said yourself that the pattern is no longer available so the "market value" you are quoting to them today is for something that is different.

Yes, same style...but there are many times when Vera Bradley sells the same exact pieces at different prices based on the pattern.

Bottom line is you can't PROVE what you paid, so DCL is free to adjust what the current price is to something they consider fair.
 
You can't prove that you paid full price. Maybe you got it on sale...or maybe the prices were lower three years ago when you purchased it. You said yourself that the pattern is no longer available so the "market value" you are quoting to them today is for something that is different.

Yes, same style...but there are many times when Vera Bradley sells the same exact pieces at different prices based on the pattern.

Bottom line is you can't PROVE what you paid, so DCL is free to adjust what the current price is to something they consider fair.

Fair enough on the shopping example... but as a customer wanting to return something, you do have more "responsiblity" for keeping the reciept whereas in my case, I don't really have the responsibility for keeping the reciept... ;)

Anyway, I guess there is one other thing that I did no make clear before, sorry!

DCL told me that they are basing the $320 as the purchase price since in the email I sent to them, I've quoted this "price" from the retailer's website.

The truth is that, my true cost in 2008 was more than $320. It was $320 plus sales tax. Without a reciept, I figured that I should try to somehow provide DCL with some evidence of the price and some details. So, I wrote to them and said the price of $320 plus 7% would be what I would expect and included a link to the website. I thought this would be better as it documented everything and included breakdown of costs.

I was only later told that it didn't matter whether I've included the website or not because they'll just take my words for the price and date of purchse (good honesty based practice :)). In retrospect, I just feel bad because I feel like I've been screwed for trying to be a good person (by providing breakdowns and website link). I guess I could have just told DCL at first place that the price I paid was $342.20 (7% tax), which is true. In this case, I would've likely gotten more money back.

So me trying to be helpful and nice ends up me being screwed!? :confused:
life is a learning experience...
 
Sorry about my snark last night- the heat brings out the worst in me (it was 110 with the heat index yesterday!)

On a more serious note, standardgirl, the broken handle could have theoretically happened anywhere you traveled, it was potentially just a matter of time. It could have happened when you were traveling internationally, or on another cruise line, or it unfortunately could have even happened if you dropped it by accident.

All I'm saying is don't blame DCL- it could have been faulty construction. Next time, bring a suitcase you won't get as upset about, or don't bring a suitcase that has a hard handle (DH and I use duffel bags). Don't let this particular experience sour your entire opinion of DCL- at least they're trying to reimburse you something- other cruise lines may not have been as accommodating.

ETA: and not everyone is as honest as you or I may be. People seem to be more and more surprised by honest people. For instance, I ordered something, it seemed to have gotten lost, and I called the company. They sent me another package, I got the first one, and when I received the second, I called them and said "I just got the second package, I haven't opened it, can you just send me a return label so I don't have to?" The customer service rep was very surprised that I had done that!
 
... or don't bring a suitcase that has a hard handle (DH and I use duffel bags). Don't let this particular experience sour your entire opinion of DCL- at least they're trying to reimburse you something- other cruise lines may not have been as accommodating.

Yeah, I don't like duffle bags because carrying around a 20kg duffle bag can be quite tiring... and when I have two luggages to drag around, anything without wheels seems rather like a workout :) and we don't drive to the airport here (well, most people don't), we, um...., walk to the train station and take the train the airport, so rolling luggages are almost essential. Part of living in Europe ;)

Saw your last post about Samsonite... they are my favorite except that the cheaper ones are often too heavy and with the decreasing luggage weight allowance from the airlines, I am not sure what to do with those super-heavy Samsonite luggages I have. I do have the so called "world's lightest luggage" from Samsonite which is the piece I usually travel with. but the design and shape doesn't exactly suite a cruise travel, so it was left at home. They cost over $700 though, so I am not sure how I'll feel if that's broken ;) and no, I don't have a reciept for that.

Might just tape up luggage handle next time before I hand over my luggages to the cruise line - that should avoid them using the handle inappropriatly! ;) Afterall, handles on rolling luggages are meant to be used to drag the luggage around and NOT meant to be used as a carrying handle otherwise.
ETA: and not everyone is as honest as you or I may be. People seem to be more and more surprised by honest people. For instance, I ordered something, it seemed to have gotten lost, and I called the company. They sent me another package, I got the first one, and when I received the second, I called them and said "I just got the second package, I haven't opened it, can you just send me a return label so I don't have to?" The customer service rep was very surprised that I had done that!

true... just feel bad that I got "punished" for providing them a breakdown of costs. Could've just given them an all-inclusive number, or could've said whatever... it's almost like they are encouraging dishonest practice? :sad2:
 
Yeah, I don't like duffle bags because carrying around a 20kg duffle bag can be quite tiring... and when I have two luggages to drag around, anything without wheels seems rather like a workout :) and we don't drive to the airport here (well, most people don't), we, um...., walk to the train station and take the train the airport, so rolling luggages are almost essential. Part of living in Europe ;)

I'm not sure if you'd be able to get L.L. Bean over there, but they *do* have rolling duffels! http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/63916?feat=2911-GN2 It comes in multiple sizes. I don't have it (I have a regular Adventure Duffel in either L or XL, can't recall- I know I can climb into it and zip it up, though I'm petite) but the one I have is in Teal Aloha. I remember when I was waiting at a luggage carousel and someone saw it going round, she said "Wow, that's one bag that no one can miss!"
 
I'm not sure if you'd be able to get L.L. Bean over there, but they *do* have rolling duffels! http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/63916?feat=2911-GN2 It comes in multiple sizes. I don't have it (I have a regular Adventure Duffel in either L or XL, can't recall- I know I can climb into it and zip it up, though I'm petite) but the one I have is in Teal Aloha. I remember when I was waiting at a luggage carousel and someone saw it going round, she said "Wow, that's one bag that no one can miss!"

Thanks. Can't get L.L. Bean here but can get rolling duffles of different brands for sure. Although, I thought the idea of a duffle bag was to avoid possible breakage of luggage handles, so doesn't a rolling duffle defeat that purpose? :confused:
 
Everyone's definition of "Fair" is obviously different from reading through this thread. By mine, what DCL offered for replacement/repair of the one piece that was damaged was more than fair in the OP's case.
I never bothered getting into my situation but just to give another way DCL deals with this.........
2nd time the luggage (Samsonite) was used. Perfect when given to porters at L.A. dockside. 5 hours later the rear wheel was missing. The suitcase as such was fine, but this was just the first part of a multi part vacation that entailed wheeling luggage around. This truly made it a PITA to try and do this. The piece of luggage had cost us $150 plus taxes. The CM at Guest Services was VERY helpful and advised that $50 was the most they could give us onboard. I advised them it wasn't just the repair but the inconvience from their actions. They offered to try to replace the wheel, which was more than agreeable to me. I just wanted to be able to use this case. 2 days later they advised they couldn't. We were back to the $50. I again spoke to the Guest Services staff. I was offered a brand new carry on case. Had it been a carry on case that was damaged I'd have accepted immediately. However my case was full sized case we had used for the majority of our items and needed a similar size. I declined. She was apologetic (I truly believed her too) and she told me I could speak to the officer in charge of Guest Services.
Well out comes the officer. She had the tact and people skills of a Rotweiller who hadn't been fed in weeks. Not doing anymore, you can write to DCL when you get home, and you may get nothing. She advised she didn't know what shore side would do, and frankly she gave the impression she didn't care. I was told to get it fixed and could submit my bill. We fumbled around dragging the case and not being able to attach other cases to it because of the missing wheel, used porters etc we wouldn't have required etc. On getting home I found a Samsonite Depot which is approximately 60 miles from my home. I drove down and dropped it off, and then again when repaired to pick it up. I ended up driving 240 miles for these repairs. I figure it was about $90 total in mileage, not taking into account my time. The bill was $31.00 and while the case was at the depot I had spoken with the DCL office. I advised them it was going to cost me to get these repairs done plus the cost of me driving back and forth. She acknowledged that and said I understand. When I sent in the bill and requested reimbursement for the mileage as they wouldn't offer me replacement she now stated she hadn't OK'd this and would have told me not to, and given me something for the case. Huh? I was told on the ship to go and get it repaired, this same CM had acknowledged it was in for repair, said nothing. This is the lady that told me I could have carried all of my luggage onto the ship had I wanted to, and these people aren't really Disney employees. Do these people understand the concept of embarking on a cruise ship? Uh well I don't think many, if any families bring on ALL of their luggage, and as far as I'm concerned things happen. I know it wasn't intentional, but just pay me what I was out to fix the darn thing. There was a case of the same size in the Gift shop which was $150 (DCL probably pays $40) which they could have just replaced it with. It has come down to the principle of it now. I have spent 10's of thousands of dollars on family cruises with Disney, am/was a Platinum Club member but the difference of what I asked for, and what they originally offered (Won't even give that to me now) works out to $70.
WTG Disney. You saved big time, but you've lost a customer and I will have no qualms in putting forth my opinions in a negative way to friends, colleagues and acquaintances about DCL. Now of course many will disagree, and that is fine, but DCL isn't the only cruise line out there and I intend on exploring those options.
 
There's another solution to having luggage with wheels- you can get luggage without wheels and a luggage trolley, drop off the luggage and keep the trolley with you.

Accidents happen. As I said previously, it could have happened with any cruise line or airline. If the people at the docks that load luggage do it for all cruise lines, it's just as likely it could have happened with another cruise line.

Believe me, I have my own horror story (the photos I paid for for my honeymoon cruise were never sent to me and were deleted from the servers entirely. And because I didn't have the receipt, I couldn't get reimbursed. So those professional pics from my honeymoon? I will never, EVER see them- at least you still have your luggage, even if it's not fully effective.)
 
There's another solution to having luggage with wheels- you can get luggage without wheels and a luggage trolley, drop off the luggage and keep the trolley with you.

Accidents happen. As I said previously, it could have happened with any cruise line or airline. If the people at the docks that load luggage do it for all cruise lines, it's just as likely it could have happened with another cruise line.

Believe me, I have my own horror story (the photos I paid for for my honeymoon cruise were never sent to me and were deleted from the servers entirely. And because I didn't have the receipt, I couldn't get reimbursed. So those professional pics from my honeymoon? I will never, EVER see them- at least you still have your luggage, even if it's not fully effective.)

Yep I totally agree accidents happen. Yes it can happen on any cruise ship. This didn't. It happened on DCL, and their handling sucked. I feel sorry for you and your photos. By the sounds of it nothing could have replaced them. DCL could have in this case.
 
Yep I totally agree accidents happen. Yes it can happen on any cruise ship. This didn't. It happened on DCL, and their handling sucked. I feel sorry for you and your photos. By the sounds of it nothing could have replaced them. DCL could have in this case.

But you're a Platinum Castaway Club member. Because of this one unfortunate incident, you're completely writing them off? Would you be this vehement about not going back on any other cruise line if they broke it? It was also your decision to travel so far to have it repaired. Taking their $50 would have paid for the repairs and at least part of a tank of gas.
 
But you're a Platinum Castaway Club member. Because of this one unfortunate incident, you're completely writing them off? Would you be this vehement about not going back on any other cruise line if they broke it? It was also your decision to travel so far to have it repaired. Taking their $50 would have paid for the repairs and at least part of a tank of gas.

Vehement? Hmmm principled is my way of looking at it. Would I? Yep. I see my custom isn't really worth much to them, so I'll go to other cruise lines. I'm sure they don't really care much. It is obvious that the Platinum is probably only fake by their level of service ;) First time, silver, gold or platinum fairness is important.
There are lots of other guests to take my place. :)
 
Vehement? Hmmm principled is my way of looking at it. Would I? Yep. I see my custom isn't really worth much to them, so I'll go to other cruise lines. I'm sure they don't really care much. It is obvious that the Platinum is probably only fake by their level of service ;) First time, silver, gold or platinum fairness is important.
There are lots of other guests to take my place. :)

What I don't understand is you encountered one CM that didn't care and one that gave conflicting information. You also encountered one that tried to be very helpful but was limited in power.

Now, as a Platinum member, I'm going to assume you have had many, many experiences with many, many CMs that were stellar experiences, with them possibly going out of their way to be helpful at some point? How do you write off a product you obviously loved before, having sailed enough to be platinum, over $70 and two CMs that were less than Magical? Do none of the other dozens of CMs that you had very good experiences with count?

I just don't get it. I get that it was a big inconvenience, and I sympathize...but what about all of the other wonderful things you've experienced, and the great CMs? They truly are overshadowed by two CMs and the handling of a broken suitcase wheel?
 
I'm still trying to work out how a Samsonite repair depot approximately 60 miles from home works out to 240 miles total trips (1 trip to leave the suitcase, 1 trip to retrieve suitcase = 120 miles... which is about one of tank of gas in a gas guzzling car.)

When you informed the rottweiller CM that you had to incur mileage to get the suitcase repaired, did you specifically ask her if they would cover the mileage or did you assume that when you told them and they didn't say anything, that mileage would be covered? You could tell me that and I could say, "Ok...." but that's just acknowledging that I heard what you said but is certainly not an agreement that I would pay for the mileage. Had the repair depot been 10 miles away or 20 miles away, would you have insisted upon mileage?

Now, the rottweiller obviously had no people skills to suggest that you could have carried on your own luggage but I have to say, it can be done and has been done. We did it by mistake. Our first cruise, no porter came up to us to grab our bags and we walked up to the x-ray machines, plunked down our four 28 inch suitcases, and took them up to the terminal. We asked the lady checking us in where we could put our luggage for delivery and she looked at us and asked why we hadn't given it to the porters. :rotfl2: She told us that it's ok, we could bring them aboard and she, herself, preferred to bring her own luggage aboard because she'd get them faster than waiting for the staff to deliver them. It's not unheard of and I've seen many families, other than ours, do it.

It is a shame that this one incident has made you decide not to cruise DCL in the future. Principle is important but so is perspective. That being said, it's certainly true that there are many cruise lines out there vying for your money. It's a question whether you'll be happy aboard them. My brother and I came to the conclusion this last trip that we would be bored out of our skulls on other cruises because we very much enjoy the Disney atmosphere AND the character interactions. We're such geeks. :thumbsup2
 
I'm still trying to work out how a Samsonite repair depot approximately 60 miles from home works out to 240 miles total trips (1 trip to leave the suitcase, 1 trip to retrieve suitcase = 120 miles... which is about one of tank of gas in a gas guzzling car.)

IT does work out to 240 miles, 60 miles each way to drop it off is 120 and 60 miles each way to pick it up is another 120 so that is 240.
 
IT does work out to 240 miles, 60 miles each way to drop it off is 120 and 60 miles each way to pick it up is another 120 so that is 240.

Whoops, you're right. I think my brain got fried by all the sun in the Med last week. Mea culpa for my addled brain. :rolleyes1
 
I have experienced MANY wonderful CM's. These are the regular folk who work their rear ends off to make guests welcome. I truly like the people at Guest Services, and admire what they have to endure (Yeah people like me too ;) ). That said, they went to the limit they could go, and passed it onto a ship's officer, and then it went shoreside. These two people DO have the ability to "Make it Right". It wasn't like I was asking for a free cruise or something. It was what I considered fair, and would have probably been amenable to a compromise. When they dug their heels in I have too. I enjoy DCL for the most part. However these two CM's attitudes, and my belief in fairness makes me realize that I'm not going to continue to patronize a company who's management staff feel this acceptable. We have already looked at alternative holiday plans, and as I noted already I'm sure they won't care really, and they did get to save the company that large amount of money, so all is good.
 
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