DAS changes coming WDW May 20/ DL June 18, 2024

Disney is offering you a different accommodation. It's not that you aren't "disabled enough" but rather that another accommodation is what they offer for your needs. The IBCCES, if used by Disney, would not change that.
That’s kind of what I was trying to get at with the caveat about narrowing the scope of guests that DAS 2.0 is appropriate for.

Perhaps other parks haven’t seen the same degree of use so they don’t face the same challenges that have required trying to “mainstream” more guests?
 
Disney is literally the only theme park which has decided I am not disabled enough.
To put it differently, they feel others may be more disabled than you and require a higher level of accommodation than you to access the park. I will never quite understand this fixation by some on Disney needs to give everyone the same thing. I've seen people with mango allergies upset that they no longer qualify for DAS. I was actually blown away that someone with a mango allergy even ever qualified for DAS and was given the same accommodation as someone with let's say Level 3 Autism, or to keep it within the same disability grouping, that someone with lets say Level 1 Autism, might need the exact same accommodations as someone with Level 3 Autism.
 
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The "lawsuit" that everyone keeps talking about was brought forth by a guy rather notorious in my Six Flags groups for being entitled, rude and quick to anger. It's been well over a year since it was filed and nothing has happened from it.
I'm not sure why you put it in quotes but it is an active lawsuit. Lawsuits often take years to get through the court systems (especially with big companies with deep legal pockets) unless it's settled first (which often it does) or dismissed (which again often can happen) BUT the reason people mention it is because it can have a direct effect on what a company chooses to do in the future or has to do as a result of it (most recently with Disney they had the MagicKey for Disneyland lawsuit and adjustments were made to the language and how they presented their MagicKey and park reservations mostly voluntarily from Disney while the suit worked its way through the courts).

Even in my local area a nearby county was sued back in 2023 over property tax calculations and is just now getting to the bench trial last month. A woman back Sep 2022 sued Universal Hollywood due to an injury and that just went to court mid-February (of this year). Point being you typically don't here much until an action is taken (either dismissal, proceeding, delays, settlement, judgement, etc) and it can take time.

In the case of my comments I'm just pointing out that with the merger it would be reasonable that IF a judge rules X or IF a settlement occurs it stands to reason it would affect the parks now under the same umbrella. For the other poster they were just pointing that while you have mentioned multiple parks they are operating with basically the same ownership so it's not, as it sorta seemed like you were presenting, multiple different parks all of a sudden accepting IBCCES.

We all know how lawsuits are often made by some individual but it doesn't mean it never has an effect.
 
To put it differently, they feel others may be more disabled than you and require a higher level of accommodation than you to access the park.

Not even this. Disney isn't evaluating severity of a disability - they are evaluating cause/effect/outcome of difficulty in their queue. I could be completely disabled in one area, but still might not qualify for DAS if my need/supports are different than what DAS is doing.
 
Not even this. Disney isn't evaluating severity of a disability - they are evaluating cause/effect/outcome of difficulty in their queue. I could be completely disabled in one area, but still might not qualify for DAS if my need/supports are different than what DAS is doing.
I 100% agree with you...just was using their logic/rationale that Disney doesn't think they are disabled...it's the Drumbeat of the DAS facebook group.
 
Not even this. Disney isn't evaluating severity of a disability - they are evaluating cause/effect/outcome of difficulty in their queue. I could be completely disabled in one area, but still might not qualify for DAS if my need/supports are different than what DAS is doing.
And also whether there is another less disruptive (to operations) option that would be sufficient to accommodate your needs, even if your needs would be better accommodated by DAS. It’s not about getting to the best solution. It’s the minimum accommodation necessary to make it possible for you to ride a given ride.
 
Perhaps other parks haven’t seen the same degree of use so they don’t face the same challenges that have required trying to “mainstream” more guests?
Every park gets to decide how to handle accommodations. Some may offer more of a "blanket" accommodation to all requesting accommodation; other parks will have different procedures. Neither is necessarily right or wrong other than it works for the operations of that park. Disney has decided that offering DAS broadly has created impact on their operations and thus is providing different accommodations to meet individual's needs while only offering DAS to those who cannot be accommodated in another manner.

ETA: sorry, I somehow didn't see the last few posts where you said basically the same :-)
 
I was actually blown away that someone with a mango allergy even ever qualified for DAS and was given the same accommodation as someone with let's say Level 3 Autism, or to keep it within the same disability grouping, that someone with lets say Level 1 Autism, might need the exact same accommodations as someone with Level 3 Autism.
In part agreed that not everyone with the same disability will need the same accommodation, but framing the argument as clear-cut level 1 vs. level 3 autism (implying level 1 doesn't need anything) dismisses the fact that autism is a spectrum with needs/supports needed varying greatly from person to person no matter what 'level' they are diagnosed at. Yes, level 3 overall will need many more supports for daily functioning, but that doesn't mean that someone at level 1 does not ever need any support or accommodation that matches their specific needs due to the disability.

I know many autistic people across all areas of the spectrum and am myself level 1. There are areas that I really struggle in and need supports that others that I know that are level 2 or 3 can do no problem and do not need supports in, and vice versa.

Now as regards DAS, it is much more likely that someone diagnosed level 3 will end up needing DAS than someone with less overall support needs, but there could also be instances where a level 1 needs and qualifies for it when at the same time someone at level 3 doesn't.
 
I 100% agree with you...just was using their logic/rationale that Disney doesn't think they are disabled...it's the Drumbeat of the DAS facebook group.
I've seen those too. One of the posters awhile ago was claiming Disney told them they "weren't autistic/disabled enough", said they had proof in writing from an email, and posted the email - which most definitely did not say that or imply it. All it said was that their reasons/needs as given to them didn't qualify for DAS. It's the interpretation that people are putting on a denial but is not what is being said.
 
The gatekeeping here is extraordinary. I have no issue qualifying at Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, Universal (who upgraded my pass after IBCCES, btw), Six Flags, and more. Yet ya'll are so far up Disney's butt that you truly believe that they are doing their best to accommodate. It's all about the $$$$ and bottom dollar. Now that 90% of applicants no longer qualify, suddenly their top dollar Premiere pass and Multipass sells out. Peace out!
 
The gatekeeping here is extraordinary. I have no issue qualifying at Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, Universal (who upgraded my pass after IBCCES, btw), Six Flags, and more. Yet ya'll are so far up Disney's butt that you truly believe that they are doing their best to accommodate. It's all about the $$$$ and bottom dollar. Now that 90% of applicants no longer qualify, suddenly their top dollar Premiere pass and Multipass sells out. Peace out!
Ana you’d likely qualify for accommodations at Disney too.…
 
@AnneK - I’m sorry that this has been such a struggle for you. I don’t think anyone here is trying to gatekeep. I know that I am not. I’m just trying to be a somewhat rational/impartial voice in an area where clearly there are strong emotions.

Unfortunately, at least in the short run, ride capacity is limited, meaning that only a certain number of people can get on the ride at any one time.

The problem is that there were so many people accessing rides through the Lightning Lanes that it was overwhelming ride capacities, especially for popular rides, such that LL wait times were 20-30 minutes or more. Disney management - and many guests - felt that this was unacceptable.

No one here knows the exact breakdown of what type of users were accessing rides through the LLs, but we do know it was some combination of FastPass/Genie+, DAS, and a negligible number of VIP tours, Make a Wish guests, etc. We can speculate based on the fact that LL wait times are practically walk-on even with the introduction of Premier Pass AND with Multi-Pass at times selling out that DAS users made up the (vast?) majority of the users pre-change.

So with all of those constraints in mind, Disney HAD to do something to reduce the number of DAS users and their guests in the LLs, because even taking away every other product there would still be “too many” people in the LLs. And unfortunately, the removal of paid options might have incentivized more people to apply for DAS.

There are a couple of ways to accomplish this:
1. Change what conditions qualify for DAS
2. Reduce the size of DAS party
3. Have people enter the standby queue first, and then only enter the LL if they need to

Disney is trying to pull all three levers as a way to not pull too hard on any one.
1. DAS is now primarily meant for those who will always have trouble in lines, not just maybe. That’s why they are focused on developmental disabilities primarily but not exclusively.
2. By reducing the maximum party size from 6 to 4 Disney can increase the number of DAS accommodations by 50% without changing the number of people physically in the line.
3. This speaks to the idea of always vs. maybe. Taking bathroom issues, as that seems to be one of the areas that has been most triggering to those who have been denied. Management wants guests to enter the standby queue and exit if needed rather than starting out waiting outside. This is particularly true for larger party sizes where there are people capable of waiting in the standby line.

I don’t want to presume how you would prioritize giving out the *limited* number of spots available before it begins to impact park operations again, but I do think that Disney is trying to approach this in as fair a manner as they can. Looking at the experience at a local amusement park, an aquarium or zoo, or even some of the bigger domestic parks just isn’t comparable at all. I’d also argue that looking at the overseas examples also isn’t comparable, as the overall population of guests with disabilities is dramatically smaller than here in the US. E.g. when we were in Paris I only saw a handful of scooters and only one party ever taking advantage of the DAS-equivalent line access.

They other thing that I think people sometimes lose sight of in the argument of “well this was all just to sell more LLMP/LLPP” is that Disney is not a charity but a business, and it actually makes sense to offer a variety of paid options to allow guests to have the experience that they want to. It may not be worth it to one family to pay $25 for one ride, or $50 for LLMP, or $400 for LLPP but other families may want to make different choices. For all that people are calling Disney greedy, based on how much better LLs are working now I actually think that they could probably sell even more passes at even higher prices if they chose to.
 
The gatekeeping here is extraordinary. I have no issue qualifying at Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, Universal (who upgraded my pass after IBCCES, btw), Six Flags, and more. Yet ya'll are so far up Disney's butt that you truly believe that they are doing their best to accommodate. It's all about the $$$$ and bottom dollar. Now that 90% of applicants no longer qualify, suddenly their top dollar Premiere pass and Multipass sells out. Peace out!
Just for fun I looked up annual attendance at some of the parks you mentioned:
Magic Kingdom 17.7mn
Epcot 12mn
Hollywood Studios 10.3mn

Islands of Adventure 10mn
Universal 9.7mn

Six Flags, Cedar Point, and Dollywood are all less than 4mn.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194269/attendance-at-theme-and-amusement-parks-in-north-america/
 
Just for fun I looked up annual attendance at some of the parks you mentioned:
Magic Kingdom 17.7mn
Epcot 12mn
Hollywood Studios 10.3mn

Islands of Adventure 10mn
Universal 9.7mn

Six Flags, Cedar Point, and Dollywood are all less than 4mn.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194269/attendance-at-theme-and-amusement-parks-in-north-america/
And I would add that you have to consider the demographics at each of these parks.

Disney has always been a draw for all ages and abilities because there is so much more to do there like shows, lots of themed and character dining and high draw resorts. We've had APs for decades because of offering so much more than just rides.

Universal leans more to the thrill ride side which many folks with needs may not ride. I know there are several rides that my DS can not ride. There is quite limited entertainment and next to no table service. The parks also have less to do for younger children. We have had APs off and on but given the minimal to do for him, it is not constant.

Six Flags (and similar) are amusement parks, not theme parks. They lean heavy on thrill rides, have almost no entertainment (Dollywood is an exception), require lots of outdoor time, no quality dining. No resorts so more like day visitors. We have Six Flags by us, buy a seasonal pass every other year or so. We have never applied for the Assistance Pass because DS does not ride the big rides with long lines. He probably only does maybe 25% of the rides there.

Disney by nature of the type of business will be a much larger draw for folks with special needs than the other parks and probably has MANY MANY more requests for assistance (and add their travel party). It makes perfect sense for them to offer a wide variety of options for assistance. And at this point their LL is very reasonable say opposed to Universals.
 
Disneyland is our main park so I can only respond to that. We have recently returned from a trip.

I know that a year ago my DD, who qualified for a DAS, could not go on a lot of rides because the Lightning Lanes (where applicable) were too long. We also noticed waiting in line for upwards of 30 minutes after our return time.

This trip, the Lightning Lanes were a lot quicker and more manageable. We would arrive at our return time and didn’t need to wait but a few minutes. Everything was great!

My DD participated in a runDisney event. Because of a total knee replacement, she did this alone. We utilized Athletics With Disabilities to wait until race start. They were wonderful. The next day we ran into a couple of racers who are mobility challenged. I was commenting how great AWD was in accommodating my DD. Both women commented that at Disneyland they will accommodate my DD but at WDW, they only accommodate those who are mobility challenged. They said “too many people were taking advantage of their service and it became unmanageable.” I am just repeating what they said and take it for what it is worth.
 












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