DAS changes coming WDW May 20/ DL June 18, 2024

So... To move on to a lighter topic in terms of accessibility, several posters have mentioned utilizing sign language. I was wondering for those who know it if there are any simple/basic signs that would be more beneficial for non-fluent sign language users to know, maybe in terms of things that might indicate "help" or "I'm okay" or anything that you feel might be used more often that would be helpful for others to know. I know the alphabet, yes, no, and thank you, but don't really know what specific signs might be helpful to learn. I'd love to become more versed eventually, but if there are any signs that would be more important to start with, I'd love to know.
Yes. Any basic sign language program will be able to get you started. It really does help when the noise get s loud. For instance in rooms like Haunted mansion, she can just slid her hand into one of ours to let us know what's going if she is having an issue in the dark.
 
I understand that questions about functioning in other settings often come up during a DAS interview, likely to ensure that the needs at Disney align with difficulties experienced elsewhere. However, it's crucial to recognize that Disney's parks are a uniquely intense environment, with constant crowds, noise, and visual stimulation. Even if someone manages well in other situations—like work, school, or other areas of Disney—they may still need accommodations to navigate the parks comfortably. DAS is specifically designed to help those who find this environment overwhelming, allowing them to enjoy the experience without being overloaded. While options like LLMP can assist with wait times, they aren't a substitute for DAS, which addresses the broader challenges specific to Disney’s high-stimulus setting.
I agree about Disney being a different environment, it's usually the most visited theme park in the world although they throttle their attendance differently than they did before. It is an environment that is loud, crowded, high stimulus, etc. The situations you will be exposed to are ones you are extremely likely to be exposed to elsewhere even if they are of a different caliber. And what comments I've seen a lot that people say in response to what do you do elsewhere is in a nutshell "I avoid them"

Disney is a choice to go there. That doesn't mean "don't go to Disney" it can however mean that you may not be given that which you think you should be given. So much of the back and forth conversations at the heart of it end up being "I should get DAS" OR the adjustments in say the number of DAS guests allowed along with through the LL become the problem OR the accommodation is viewed as punitive.

At the end of the day however it is a choice being made to go into that environment that which causes you problems. Within certain parameters Disney can set forth just which accommodations they see fit that works with their particular theme park. We know DLR can be different on mobility for example because their queues are not well suited for that (and I completely agree having made that observation on our two trips there in 2019).

I would disagree about your particular definition of DAS. It is not about helping people who find an environment overwhelming now enjoy the experience without being overloaded. That is impossible, they can't remove intrinsic things to a theme park that cause meltdowns or someone getting stimulus overload nor can they guarantee someone's enjoyment. Furthermore Disney has signaled out areas of their park for years, just not made it highly visible on their website until recently, where a person can get to a spot that may be more calm. That actually speaks much more to your viewpoint of aid in an overwhelming environment and is not related to DAS. DAS doesn't even address high-stimulus environment as it's just about an individuals inability to wait in a conventional queue. The parks, as we are all aware of, comprise of much more than just a queue.
 
It would be very nice to have a standard reciprocity of approval for all stakeholders.
Indeed, or at least train the CMs doing the interviews to mention if it applies to the guest before concluding the call.

Want to be very clear, don’t want to sound as though complaining when so many, who have shared what appears to be very compelling reasons to me, have been denied.

Good luck to all enjoying the parks under the new system :wizard:
 
I understand that questions about functioning in other settings often come up during a DAS interview, likely to ensure that the needs at Disney align with difficulties experienced elsewhere. However, it's crucial to recognize that Disney's parks are a uniquely intense environment, with constant crowds, noise, and visual stimulation. Even if someone manages well in other situations—like work, school, or other areas of Disney—they may still need accommodations to navigate the parks comfortably. DAS is specifically designed to help those who find this environment overwhelming, allowing them to enjoy the experience without being overloaded. While options like LLMP can assist with wait times, they aren't a substitute for DAS, which addresses the broader challenges specific to Disney’s high-stimulus setting.
Not targeting Olliver or nit picking wording, but this is an important distinction. (Thank you, Olliver for saying it this way to bring up a discussion point.)

I think a lot of people are looking for a standard of whether accommodations are adequate to make it "comfortable." This is not the legal standard of ADA. My understanding of ADA accommodations is for Disney to offer accessibility to goods and services so that it creates a "similar" experience for the disabled. That similar experience is as to non-disabled people. When it comes to heat and humidity or handling some other issues (maybe crowds or high sensory input) that distinction could be very important. Even non-disabled people are not close to comfortable when the "real feel" temperature is over 100° F, which is common in Central Florida and no fault of Disney's. So, perhaps this is part of the widespread dissatisfaction of DAS2 that made the LLs not available.
 

I understand that questions about functioning in other settings often come up during a DAS interview, likely to ensure that the needs at Disney align with difficulties experienced elsewhere. However, it's crucial to recognize that Disney's parks are a uniquely intense environment, with constant crowds, noise, and visual stimulation. Even if someone manages well in other situations—like work, school, or other areas of Disney—they may still need accommodations to navigate the parks comfortably. DAS is specifically designed to help those who find this environment overwhelming, allowing them to enjoy the experience without being overloaded. While options like LLMP can assist with wait times, they aren't a substitute for DAS, which addresses the broader challenges specific to Disney’s high-stimulus setting.
But DAS is specific to waiting in queues, not about navigating the parks in general. That person will still need to deal with crowds and stimuli throughout the park, as well as the resort, on transportation, and elsewhere. It really comes down to the queue. LLMP and DAS are both through the LL entrance, so exactly the same in that manner.
 
I am heat/sun intolerant due to medications. I have sensory issues. I am VERY claustrophobic. I have panic attacks in lines when overwhelmed. I have physical limitation due to leg injuries. I used to get a DAS but I likely will no longer be approved.

So for my trip in September I am taking greater responsibility for myself and doing everything in my power to help myself. At a point it becomes about personal responsibility. I am making the decision to go in September. Disney isn't forcing me to go then. As such, I need to figure out what I can do and not expect anyone else to do so for me. I liken it to the whole standing vs sitting on a bus. If I NEED to sit, then I either wait for a bus with seat or take an uber. I don't expect others to move for me. If I decide to get on a packed bus that is MY decision and I know doing so may mean I stand. It is the same deal with everything else.
 
But DAS is specific to waiting in queues, not about navigating the parks in general. That person will still need to deal with crowds and stimuli throughout the park, as well as the resort, on transportation, and elsewhere. It really comes down to the queue. LLMP and DAS are both through the LL entrance, so exactly the same in that manner.
Again, without being able to go into details - different people, different triggers. Queues are a completely different acoustical and physical experience than walking outside in fantasyland, even when fantasyland is crowded.
 
So for my trip in September I am taking greater responsibility for myself and doing everything in my power to help myself. At a point it becomes about personal responsibility. I am making the decision to go in September. Disney isn't forcing me to go then. As such, I need to figure out what I can do and not expect anyone else to do so for me. I liken it to the whole standing vs sitting on a bus. If I NEED to sit, then I either wait for a bus with seat or take an uber. I don't expect others to move for me. If I decide to get on a packed bus that is MY decision and I know doing so may mean I stand. It is the same deal with everything else.
Very well said.

I think this is one of the very center issues. For the last two years DAS was made SOOOO easy. You barely had to say anything past I have this issue and you could schedule it one the app. IMO a lot of personal responsibility was lost. Planning went out the door. DAS or nothing.

DAS can't help if you need to be out of the heat.. The whole park is hot. It is not meant to help you navigate the park of save your energy. It's not meant to stop the smells and sounds that surround you in the park or the crowds., It's meant just to help in that very specific Q of a ride.

Personal responsibility and choice. There are accommodations that satisfy the ADA. DAS is now very limited. The chances of it changing are slim, at least fro now. The hopes of some quickie lawsuit are not realistic. Even a lawsuit will not change it back to what it was and how easy to get it had been. Mobility, IMO will never again be part of DAS except for extreme situations. Nor anxiety, most sensory issues or IBS. The limited scope, not matter what changes happen over the years, Is here to stay.
 
Again, without being able to go into details - different people, different triggers. Queues are a completely different acoustical and physical experience than walking outside in fantasyland, even when fantasyland is crowded.
Which is why some people may granted DAS by Disney and others not. Even in your example to someone a queue may be the same to them as a crowded park. To them it may not be different in acoustical or physical experience as it affects them all the same (which was more in line with with Ollivier was making references to).

For me it doesn't matter if a sound is inside a ride like the hammer clinks on the uphill climb of 7DMT or outside where it's a short firework burst during a show at the castle during the daytime. It causes me to startle and pain for me. When I know it will happen I will close my ears with my fingers in the back of it effectively muffling it. I don't put on my noise reduction headphones for short bursts like that (only for longer instances like full on firework shows or while watching the Indy show at DHS which I do wear the headphones for the duration of the show due to the loud noises).

The PP (Ollivier) was discussing the environment and stimulus which brought the rest into the discussion. DAS isn't able to address everything because it's not designed for everything. The expansion of the types of accommodations Disney has is able to address more scenarios than before it may just not be DAS like someone feels they should have and I'm not here to say what someone does and doesn't deserve on being granted DAS just that you may not be granted it even if you think you should be entitled to it.
 
Again, without being able to go into details - different people, different triggers. Queues are a completely different acoustical and physical experience than walking outside in fantasyland, even when fantasyland is crowded.
Correct. The person I was replying to seemed to be talking about Disney as a whole being an issue, not just queues. I was trying to indicate that DAS can only help with queues, not the rest of Disney and that LLMP uses the same queue as DAS does.
 
I am heat/sun intolerant due to medications. I have sensory issues. I am VERY claustrophobic. I have panic attacks in lines when overwhelmed. I have physical limitation due to leg injuries. I used to get a DAS but I likely will no longer be approved.

So for my trip in September I am taking greater responsibility for myself and doing everything in my power to help myself. At a point it becomes about personal responsibility. I am making the decision to go in September. Disney isn't forcing me to go then. As such, I need to figure out what I can do and not expect anyone else to do so for me. I liken it to the whole standing vs sitting on a bus. If I NEED to sit, then I either wait for a bus with seat or take an uber. I don't expect others to move for me. If I decide to get on a packed bus that is MY decision and I know doing so may mean I stand. It is the same deal with everything else.
Most adult folk with disabilities know their body and what they can do and cannot tolerate. They make adjustments and choices based on them and game time decisions when needed.

The DAS revamp made folk reassess all this, and for many that means a much different touring experience to.be had at Disney, and that's led to a lot of angst.

People should remember to take this into consideration and hope give a little grace to those having a hard time with this hard pivot to a new normal.

Queues are absolute monsters. No doubt. They are themselves a test of patience and collective misery
 
Very well said.

I think this is one of the very center issues. For the last two years DAS was made SOOOO easy. You barely had to say anything past I have this issue and you could schedule it one the app. IMO a lot of personal responsibility was lost. Planning went out the door. DAS or nothing.

DAS can't help if you need to be out of the heat.. The whole park is hot. It is not meant to help you navigate the park of save your energy. It's not meant to stop the smells and sounds that surround you in the park or the crowds., It's meant just to help in that very specific Q of a ride.

Personal responsibility and choice. There are accommodations that satisfy the ADA. DAS is now very limited. The chances of it changing are slim, at least fro now. The hopes of some quickie lawsuit are not realistic. Even a lawsuit will not change it back to what it was and how easy to get it had been. Mobility, IMO will never again be part of DAS except for extreme situations. Nor anxiety, most sensory issues or IBS. The limited scope, not matter what changes happen over the years, Is here to stay.
I really like how posters have been going over what they do in their day to day lives that can translate to the Parks. Even for my husband and I we were a bit over it at Epcot and took a mini break at Riviera via the Skyliner. Got some coffee, took some time in the nice a/c and not crowded lobby while charging our phones. I would do that again in a heartbeat. Actually I've been really wanting to do more exploration of both places in the park that I may have never thought of or the resorts (which we have only done a monorail hopping of) just to give a reset when needed. We ate at Capt'n Cooks at Poly for lunch one day on our last trip just to give a mini break from MK.

Your sign language discussion is something I would have never thought of a traveling party utilizing but I think it's a great one that could be helpful to a good amount of families, disability or not.
 
So... To move on to a lighter topic in terms of accessibility, several posters have mentioned utilizing sign language. I was wondering for those who know it if there are any simple/basic signs that would be more beneficial for non-fluent sign language users to know, maybe in terms of things that might indicate "help" or "I'm okay" or anything that you feel might be used more often that would be helpful for others to know. I know the alphabet, yes, no, and thank you, but don't really know what specific signs might be helpful to learn. I'd love to become more versed eventually, but if there are any signs that would be more important to start with, I'd love to know.
Great question. My husband hasn’t learned enough ASL to actually converse much, but I’ve taught him phrases and signs I commonly need. Also, if you’re interested in learning basic ASL, I’d highly recommend signing up for the free online class through https://courses.osd.k12.ok.us/ as I’ve done several courses and this has been the best. They have ASL 1 and ASL 2, it’s self paced and the instruction videos are good. I think fall sign up will open in September. Okay, here’s my list of our words, phrases that I can think of that we use the most.

How are you?
Fine, good, bad, anxious, hurting, tired, sad, excited, okay, sleepy
Help, loud, stop, go, go over there, yes, no, what, where, when, who, hungry, thirsty, water, sit, again/repeat, look, here, bathroom
Love you
 
Your sign language discussion is something I would have never thought of a traveling party utilizing but I think it's a great one that could be helpful to a good amount of families, disability or not.
There are a couple of videos that go over just basic signs that a re really useful in any crowed gathering with a lot of noise and stimuli. MY kiddo really doesn't like to be on her phone at the parks, so we had to figure out other ways that didn't include yelling or texting. You actually would be amazed how many in lines know. Kiddo as able to strike up a few conversations with other kiddo's just because they saw her signing.

I think one thing that really helps us.. is we have the day in the middle that is park day, but more of sleep in, find a shady spot and camp by day. We go to a few rides, have some drink, people watch, play games, eat. But no-one is rushed, it's our wing, what does everyone feel like day, so even need is meet, either its a food craving, ride or experience. Everyone gets two choices. We try and use this day to teach her flexibility and sometimes it's okay to not schedule everything.
 
How are you?
Fine, good, bad, anxious, hurting, tired, sad, excited, okay, sleepy
Help, loud, stop, go, go over there, yes, no, what, where, when, who, hungry, thirsty, water, sit, again/repeat, look, here, bathroom
Love you
Great list! Pretty much covers everything. We added meet for characters and gross, because hello tween kiddo, cool, awesome, angry and disappointed.
 
Great list! Pretty much covers everything. We added meet for characters and gross, because hello tween kiddo, cool, awesome, angry and disappointed.
Ah yes, angry. I definitely forgot that one haha! We’ve definitely used that one a few times. It wouldn’t be a trip to Disney without someone getting mad or angry haha! I also forgot Hot and Cold.
 
Most adult folk with disabilities know their body and what they can do and cannot tolerate. They make adjustments and choices based on them and game time decisions when needed.

The DAS revamp made folk reassess all this, and for many that means a much different touring experience to.be had at Disney, and that's led to a lot of angst.

People should remember to take this into consideration and hope give a little grace to those having a hard time with this hard pivot to a new normal.

Queues are absolute monsters. No doubt. They are themselves a test of patience and collective misery
Thank you.
 
While options like LLMP can assist with wait times, they aren't a substitute for DAS, which addresses the broader challenges specific to Disney’s high-stimulus setting.
At the heart of it DAS is intended to help individuals who are "unable to wait in a conventional queue for an extended period of time" (taking the diagnosis qualifier out of it). So recognizing that LLMP/LLSP may not work as well for everyone, at the very basics the WAIT is the purpose of both LLMP/LLSP and DAS without directly intending to assist with broader stimulus challenges throughout the parks. DAS may help certain individuals with some personal challenges managing the parks in general, but the intent is to help those who cannot wait in the queue environment.
 
Personal responsibility and choice.
Dizny Diva: I think THIS is what really needs to come into play with the changes to DAS. Obviously, a lot of people who got DAS before when a lot more was accepted by WDW, will have to make changes in their plans. It's unfortunate that many will have to make difficult adjustments. But I don't think Disney will ever go back to the old DAS - it was just over used as has been said many times before. No need to rehash it again.
The PP (Ollivier) was discussing the environment and stimulus which brought the rest into the discussion.
As with above: Personal responsibility and Choice. I have a close family member who has very negative reactions to stimuli, rather loud noises, crowds, or just the continued exposure to these stimuli which is at any theme park. Her Mother asked me if I thought she would be able to tolerate WDW. I explained about the constant stimuli and crowds and waiting in lines, heat, etc. She made the decision that her daughter would not be able to handle this at all. So she did not take her to WDW. However, with adjustments she is able to do other things, just not all of them. I know this is an extreme example, but I bet there are others out there who have come to this same conclusion. Personally, my husband can't go to any theme park due to his disabilities now. He has constant adjustments to do what he can do with his worsening disability. I feel for those who have to make adjustments and hope things work out for them.
 
But DAS is specific to waiting in queues, not about navigating the parks in general. That person will still need to deal with crowds and stimuli throughout the park, as well as the resort, on transportation, and elsewhere. It really comes down to the queue. LLMP and DAS are both through the LL entrance, so exactly the same in that manner.
I agree. Although with the removal of DAS for many...juggling ADR, park ressies for AP holders, transportation, LL, plus the last minute day to day struggles is not possible for some. Some must spend extra time and energy to navigate the World. It can be physically and mentally exhausting on a different level. It I can be very stressful and not doable for some guests under the new guidelines. We purchased LL and rented an SUV for past trips to supplement DAS and transportation issues. It's especially difficult not knowing if you can still receive DAS until 30 days prior to your visit. Some things cannot be cancelled at that point.
 












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