DAS Approval/Denial with New DAS Guidelines START 5/20 WDW & 6/18 DL

Was your DAS request approved?

  • YES

    Votes: 187 54.7%
  • NO

    Votes: 74 21.6%
  • Return to Queue (Official name is Attraction Queue Return)

    Votes: 43 12.6%
  • OTHER

    Votes: 16 4.7%
  • Other Accommodations discussed or suggested

    Votes: 17 5.0%
  • Cognitive/Neurodivergent/Developmental Disability - DAS APPROVED (added 8/18/24)

    Votes: 75 21.9%
  • Cognitive/Neurodivergent/Developmental Disability - DAS NOT approved (added 8/18/24)

    Votes: 17 5.0%
  • Physical/Medical disability - DAS APPROVED (added 8/18/24)

    Votes: 12 3.5%
  • Physical/Medical disability - DAS NOT approved (added 8/18/24)

    Votes: 28 8.2%

  • Total voters
    342
My daughter just got approved. I tried logging in at exactly 8 am pacific time (disneyland california) but then it seemed to crash. So I joined the queue at about 8 min past. I then got message saying it would be over 2 hours. But half an hour later I got through. Had some problems with camera because of slow VPN connection but she tried again. I started off apologizing for my english as i'm not a native english speaker. I had to answer questions, the same as before the new rules and I elaborated a bit more. My daughter was sitting next to me but beeing a teenager was feeling very annoyed I was discussing her issues with a stranger. She was just called in for the photo in which she forced a smile 😌 ....teenagers. I applied for neurodivergent condition. CM was very nice.

I now am wondering, is there any proof of the approval? Can I see it somewhere?
 
My daughter just got approved. I tried logging in at exactly 8 am pacific time (disneyland california) but then it seemed to crash. So I joined the queue at about 8 min past. I then got message saying it would be over 2 hours. But half an hour later I got through. Had some problems with camera because of slow VPN connection but she tried again. I started off apologizing for my english as i'm not a native english speaker. I had to answer questions, the same as before the new rules and I elaborated a bit more. My daughter was sitting next to me but beeing a teenager was feeling very annoyed I was discussing her issues with a stranger. She was just called in for the photo in which she forced a smile 😌 ....teenagers. I applied for neurodivergent condition. CM was very nice.

I now am wondering, is there any proof of the approval? Can I see it somewhere?
If it's anything like WDW, you won't see anything until you scan into the park on the day you listed as being the first day of your upcoming visit. From that point until the expiration of your pass, you should see it in the app.
 
My daughter just got approved. I tried logging in at exactly 8 am pacific time (disneyland california) but then it seemed to crash. So I joined the queue at about 8 min past. I then got message saying it would be over 2 hours. But half an hour later I got through. Had some problems with camera because of slow VPN connection but she tried again. I started off apologizing for my english as i'm not a native english speaker. I had to answer questions, the same as before the new rules and I elaborated a bit more. My daughter was sitting next to me but beeing a teenager was feeling very annoyed I was discussing her issues with a stranger. She was just called in for the photo in which she forced a smile 😌 ....teenagers. I applied for neurodivergent condition. CM was very nice.

I now am wondering, is there any proof of the approval? Can I see it somewhere?
No. You won't see the DAS tile show up in MDE up until you scan into your first park but mine usually shows up a couple of days early for some reason.
 

Has anyone been approved for a non-developmental disability under the new rules? I'm so nervous. I tried calling before the rule change (We're going to Disneyland), but didn't get through:/ Tried again one day this week with the same problem. I plan to try calling earlier in the day this week.
 
Has anyone been approved for a non-developmental disability under the new rules? I'm so nervous. I tried calling before the rule change (We're going to Disneyland), but didn't get through:/ Tried again one day this week with the same problem. I plan to try calling earlier in the day this week.
Yes, there have been reports of people being approved for non-developmental disabilities. And also reports of those being denied that its only for developmental disabilities. At least for WDW- not sure about DLR but it’s supposed to be the same criteria.
 
Has anyone been approved for a non-developmental disability under the new rules? I'm so nervous. I tried calling before the rule change (We're going to Disneyland), but didn't get through:/ Tried again one day this week with the same problem. I plan to try calling earlier in the day this week.
I have two disabilities, both of which clearly qualified under the old system. One is somewhat a developmental disability, though there is no medical consensus on that. I did qualify pretty quickly, but I have heard that others with the same conditions I have were denied. I think it is less about the specific label (although that is certainly a factor) and more about the why you can't wait in a traditional queue even if you have other accommodations (like mobility aids, RTQ, etc). I was very nervous too and it helped to have all my thoughts organized on paper before the call. You can see my previous post for how I did it.
 
I tried in person at Disneyland on Saturday afternoon. The wait to speak with a cast member was actually the longest of the day and a lot of it in the sun (actually, all the guests would just move up from shade to shade to and avoid the sun). I had a long conversation with the cast member and she really listened and understood. I was denied, but I figured I would be. She did say I could speak with a medical professional if I wanted but I kind of expected it so I said no for now. I did spend some time chatting with her about my Mom and that situation. Mom was not with me, but the cast member did think she would be approved. So at least, I have a better feel about what I should discuss when I bring my mom (or if I decide to try online) to get her approved. And I will save speaking to a medical professional about her if needed. The cast member was so nice and answered a ton of questions for me. And she ended up giving me 3 lightening lanes to make up for the time I waited and to help me through the park on Saturday. Lines actually were pretty short overall and I only scanned in for 2 of them (and the one went down right after preshow). I only had 1 ride where I considered asking about the AQR process for the ride, but it was 25 minute posted (and outside) and I can handle about 30 before I start having issues.
 
I was denied on recent trip when approved before. I don't feel I was listened to or my concerns were validated. The accommodations I was given were not suitable such as return to line. They told me before you join a line, ask the for CM what the process is to do should you need to leave (had been assured they all had recently had training on this) the very first CM I asked started pointing me to buying genie+ and getting a lightning lane, this in turned cause me to get upset and frustrated, it was useless trying to speak to some CM who just go round in circles. I did not have the confidence or the desire to 'return' to line or in put disneys theory to the test, as having to ask and push pass people in line to get out, or return to line is just something i couldnt do
 
I was denied on recent trip when approved before. I don't feel I was listened to or my concerns were validated. The accommodations I was given were not suitable such as return to line. They told me before you join a line, ask the for CM what the process is to do should you need to leave (had been assured they all had recently had training on this) the very first CM I asked started pointing me to buying genie+ and getting a lightning lane, this in turned cause me to get upset and frustrated, it was useless trying to speak to some CM who just go round in circles. I did not have the confidence or the desire to 'return' to line or in put disneys theory to the test, as having to ask and push pass people in line to get out, or return to line is just something i couldnt do

I didn’t feel my concerns were validated either and emailed Disney about it. Not so much complaining about not being granted DAS but feedback around appropriate language to use and validating instead of dismissing concerns even if DAS is denied.
 
I was denied on recent trip when approved before. I don't feel I was listened to or my concerns were validated. The accommodations I was given were not suitable such as return to line. They told me before you join a line, ask the for CM what the process is to do should you need to leave (had been assured they all had recently had training on this) the very first CM I asked started pointing me to buying genie+ and getting a lightning lane, this in turned cause me to get upset and frustrated, it was useless trying to speak to some CM who just go round in circles. I did not have the confidence or the desire to 'return' to line or in put disneys theory to the test, as having to ask and push pass people in line to get out, or return to line is just something i couldnt do
That is certainly not how that CM should have handled it - and is absolutely worth a calmly written message to guest services, with as many details as to location/timing you can recall, so they can address this properly and improve in the future.
 
I was denied on recent trip when approved before. I don't feel I was listened to or my concerns were validated. The accommodations I was given were not suitable such as return to line. They told me before you join a line, ask the for CM what the process is to do should you need to leave (had been assured they all had recently had training on this) the very first CM I asked started pointing me to buying genie+ and getting a lightning lane, this in turned cause me to get upset and frustrated, it was useless trying to speak to some CM who just go round in circles. I did not have the confidence or the desire to 'return' to line or in put disneys theory to the test, as having to ask and push pass people in line to get out, or return to line is just something i couldnt do
Were you traveling alone? Would they not just allow the rest of your group enter the line and have you meet up at the merge?
 
Has anyone been approved for a non-developmental disability under the new rules? I'm so nervous. I tried calling before the rule change (We're going to Disneyland), but didn't get through:/ Tried again one day this week with the same problem. I plan to try calling earlier in the day this week.

Yes, there have been reports of people being approved for non-developmental disabilities. And also reports of those being denied that it's only for developmental disabilities. At least for WDW- not sure about DLR but it’s supposed to be the same criteria.
It's not the diagnosis - it's the needs/concerns with waiting in lines.
Two people with the same diagnosis can have very different needs. So, you may see some people who have a developmental disability approved and some denied. The same with other situations.
Approval for DAS has always been based on needs rather than diagnosis (or at least that was how it was supposed to be).
 
My sister was denied today. She is a solo guest with a fresh AP. She got one for the first time in January. She has always been approved before. She has a trip book for July, but is now rethinking about going. It is unfortunate. I’m sure she is upset today, but she regrets purchasing the AP.

They said she could ask a CM to get out of line and return. As a solo guest that’s not going to work. She said the CM was very young and spent very little time before denying.

It’s sad as the DAS provided courage to be independent and have some safe fun. Disney made a huge mistake here.
 
Reporting back and trying to be as vague but helpful as possible…

An hour total between wait and interview. Most of it was a wait, received only three questions, only spoke to one cast member.

Party includes previous DAS holder w/non-mobility related physical issue. Receives accommodations at work for the issue - Denied this time around.

New DAS request was approved for another party member for an issue that is not developmental/autism related. It was explained the symptoms of the issue. The last episode was described as well as how it was handled.

There didn’t seem to be much difference in process aside that there seems to be dedicated questions before being asked why waiting in line is a problem.
 
I was denied yesterday for having only a neurological and physical disability after being accommodated for roughly 38 years of continued visits

I too have a neurological disability that is manifested physically and have been accommodated at Walt Disney World since 1986 for my disability. I no longer qualify for the DAS program even though I am disabled and was previously approved roughly 30 days before today. What is disturbing to me is that Disney has decided it's up to them to discriminate who gets it and who doesn't based on a set of pre-determined questions designed to segregate disabilities into physical, psychological, and neurological so that they can weed out all the disabilities that aren't neurodivergent.

My view is that if you're going to have the DAS program make it available to those that are truly disabled and require an IBCCES. This reduces lines in the LL by getting rid of those that lie to use it. They clearly had this option just like Universal and Six Flags but decided against it. I came across an interview quote where Disney stated that they had considering partnering with an independent organization but decided against it because it would require guests to plan in advance.

Here's the article, read towards the bottom for the required visitors to plan in advance and provide records or documentation quote :
https://www.disabilityscoop.com/202...ability-access-policies-at-theme-parks/30825/

Let's flesh that out a bit, ask yourself if that makes sense. The act of going to Disney parks requires nothing but planning in advance. If you're disabled, you're well aware and accustomed to planning in advance for where you choose to visit. So if that's the case, why say that? My view is that Disney feels you won't book your vacation if you know you can't cheat the system so they say you can book, then you may get an accommodation or you may not. That way some will book and take the chance vs. Not booking at all because they know they won't qualify.

If you look at it that way it seems that there's potential profit at stake. My view is that this most recent DAS change is profit motivated. The sales of LL are not what was expected because of the abuse of the DAS system by those that do not have a disability. This means that the LL wasn't lightning fast and many complained and refused to pay for the service when all they had to do was lie and get it for free. Disney has solved this by saying we'll now discriminate against anything that is not neurodivergent, and on top of that they'll decide if your divergence is divergent enough. This has to be breaking someone's civil rights somewhere. Disney will see more profit by doing this. How you ask, the lightning lanes sales will go up because those that truly need it for a disability will pay. Those that are just tired of the whole system and have enough income will pay for more guided tours because they need to accommodate a disability. Lastly, those that do not have a disability will now pay for a service that they can no longer cheat the system. That's three revenue streams that increased due to a change in the DAS program.

If you disagree, here's my timeline:

1986 - no lightning lane or fast pass. I went to the ride queue with a wheelchair. The cast member would notice and route us through the exit so we could get on the line without navigating the wheelchair through the line. This continued until the early nineties

1996 - no lightning lane or fast pass. I was determined to overcome my physical limitations so I lived in the gym 5 days a week. I was out of the wheelchair and not using crutches so I declined any assistance be cause I didn't need it or want it although I was still physically and neurologically disabled.

2003 - There is now fast pass included with the purchase of a vacation package. This was the fist time you can now skip the wait if you pay for something. I used this system because it was a nice value and accommodated my specific needs at the time

2010 - I'm now using the GAC. Due to years of working hard to overcome my physical disability I damaged my joints, spine, and muscles. I now use an ECV or wheelchair so Disney accommodated me by allowing me to obtain a GAC. This allowed me to go to an attraction and obtain a return time or Fast Pass plus ticket to ride at a different time so I could wait on a bench, a rest area, a restaurant, or other area until my time has come to ride the ride. This system worked great until someone in high society published an article in a blog that explained how to obtain a GAC and not be handicapped. The article point blank said in order to skip the lines, you "hire" a handicapped individual to go on vacation with you. The handicapped individual then obtains the GAC that includes the whole party and everyone gets to skip the line.

2013 - Disney cancels the GAC and implements the DAS. At first if your disability was evident they continued to accommodate. Disney then made as many rides as possible that they could ADA compliant. Those that they could not would remain and you would approach the exit for the appropriate accommodation. However, you could still obtain a DAS pass if you could demonstrate that your needs were still not met.

2020 - My disability has now progressed to a point that it is hard to control pelvic floor muscles. I was able to still qualify for a DAS because there was a risk of defecating or urinating on myself in line because I cannot move fast enough or efficiently enough to exit the line safely to relieve myself.

2024 - Genie+ and LL are now paid services. I now live in Florida and had been approved for DAS every 60 days at this point after discussing urine and feces with cast members in public while in my ECV for a few years now. At this point it was realized that the LL sales are not what they would like. Guest complaints are up on the service due to the abuse of the system. Disney decides to now disqualify those that they see fit from the DAS service. By doing this they will reduce complaints against the now paid services and increase the sales of said services as well. My view is that the process of disqualification is violating the civil rights of ALL disabled people for the purpose of profit. It's not right. They can choose to accept IBCCES certification. This verifies the disability and prevents abuse because those that can qualify will and those that cannot or lie about a disability won't even bother. It solves the problem but it will not guarantee an increase in profit at the level they can if they make the decision themselves.

Here is the link to file a complaint with the Department of Justice for a civil right violation
https://civilrights.justice.gov/report/

Here's a link to file a complaint with the Florida Commission on Human Relations
https://fchr.myflorida.com/public-accommodations
 
What is disturbing to me is that Disney has decided it's up to them to discriminate who gets it and who doesn't based on a set of pre-determined questions designed to segregate disabilities into physical, psychological, and neurological so that they can weed out all the disabilities that aren't neurodivergent.
The reason for the change is that too many guests are using DAS, that means a combination of DAS-holders plus party members. LLs have been getting too long for those with some disabilities to even access the attraction using DAS. Guests whose needs can be accommodated in a different manner -- such as allowing them to leave the queue for a restroom and then return -- are not being granted DAS because other accommodations are available.

If you find the alternative accommodation(s) do not work, you should reconnect with the Accessibility Team and discuss your experience.
 












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