Dark Days at Disney World

[Chuck S]

And of course, none of these "timid" women report the problems to Disney security or any other authority...no, they wait and give a report to a biased anti-Disney website...where we know everyone is 100% truthful on the World Wide Web

 

[rwodonnell]

Originally posted by Chuck S
And of course, none of these "timid" women report the problems to Disney security or any other authority...no, they wait and give a report to a biased anti-Disney website...where we know everyone is 100% truthful on the World Wide Web

I see nowhere in the story where it says whether she did or did not report the alleged incident to security. Why are you assuming she did not? For that matter, what makes you assume she didn't report it to "any other authority"? I am in agreement with those that say this story would go nowhere in a newspaper - they assume nobody cares about this sort of incident, and from the reaction of many (if not most) in this thread, I tend to think that might be true.

 

[Golter]

I cannot believe I along with others are wasting our times responding to this nonsense. Its the same old homophobic *** that is spread through made up stories like this. It is unsubstanciated, unverified, reckless, hateful, and right in line with many other antigay groups. I wouldn't expect less from the FRC.

 

[DWatWDW]

This thread appears to be getting ugly, and so we all need to settle down.

The original post does appear to be very sensational, and I would tend not to trust it.

Originally posted by davey3
If the Family Research Council is the source I would bet my life that it is true. I trust James Dobson. I am a Christian who enjoys the fun family friendly side of Disney. I only spend money on Disney videos, etc that are consistent with my values. Disney has made much more money from their Sunny Side than they ever will from their dark side. I pray that the Sunny Side continues to win. - Leaving for Disney May 19!!!! - Davey

I am not familiar with these organizations, but after a quick google I found out that Mr. Dobson's FOTF group is currently participating in a boycott of Disney.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/disney2.htm

This also makes me distrust the original article, as they plainly have an agenda.

Just my 2 cents though.

 

[raidermatt]

Even if the incidents in the original article are 100% true, it only provides a couple of anecdotes of what may or may not be a bigger problem.

Yes, if the kinds of things described are rampant, then yes, its a problem.

Its just that any reasonable person needs more than a couple of stories from a single person to start raising red flags.

If this organization is so concerned about what is going on, they certainly could do a more complete reporting job and truly get to the bottom of whatever is going on.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by rwodonnell
I see nowhere in the story where it says whether she did or did not report the alleged incident to security. Why are you assuming she did not? For that matter, what makes you assume she didn't report it to "any other authority"? I am in agreement with those that say this story would go nowhere in a newspaper - they assume nobody cares about this sort of incident, and from the reaction of many (if not most) in this thread, I tend to think that might be true.

If these people reported the incidents to Disney security, and they took no action, it SURELY would have been in the article as further proof that Disney has gone to Hades in a hand basket. If they reported it, and appropriate action was taken, that information was deliberately omitted, otherwise it would not be "worthy" of appearing on these sites as "evidence" of the decline of Disney. Nope, either they did NOT report them at all, or appropriate action was taken and that fact purposefully left out for sensationalism, which discredits the reports.

 

[Phoebesaturn]

I promise to post an article that shines a good light on Disney next time. The trouble is finding one....trust me I've been looking. Don't want to get the rep of being a doom and gloomer.(again)

 

[Chuck S]

No one is asking for happy articles, only articles that are credible, and accurate...not posted on a site with a political agenda of their own.

 

[Phoebesaturn]

Originally posted by Chuck S
No one is asking for happy articles, only articles that are credible, and accurate...not posted on a site with a political agenda of their own.

I'm still looking for a site like that. So far I've yet to find a site that does not have a political or some other self serving agenda. Plus I doubt that can stop the person who wrote it from injecting their own agenda into it.

 

[Timon71]

Hello everyone,
I'm a college program alum. I had THE BEST TIME of my life. YES, they do party. Didn't see the open alternative lifestyle like the article suggest. I always refer to my experience as 5 days of college/work & 2 da

 

[Timon71]

SORRY!!!! Hit wrong button.
I always refer to my experience of 5 days of college/work & 2 days of spring break. What goes on in the apartments & among fellow college program castmembers is the same that goes on at college campuses. Individuals just make a BIG deal out of it, because it's disney is involved. I'd LOVE to someday be a recruiter for the college program.


Have a disney day,
Jay

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by Phoebesaturn
I'm still looking for a site like that.

It's human nature to complain about things that are wrong but not to praise when things are going well. People will take the time to write about the one bus driver they had a problem with on their Disney trip, but will often not spend any time writing about the 150 other Disney CMs they met during their week stay who were great.

So the chances of you finding a place on line full with people writing about how their college program roommates were terrific, or about how the neighbors they had on the CP were polite and didn't party is pretty slim ....

 

[rwodonnell]

Originally posted by Chuck S
If these people reported the incidents to Disney security, and they took no action, it SURELY would have been in the article as further proof that Disney has gone to Hades in a hand basket. If they reported it, and appropriate action was taken, that information was deliberately omitted, otherwise it would not be "worthy" of appearing on these sites as "evidence" of the decline of Disney. Nope, either they did NOT report them at all, or appropriate action was taken and that fact purposefully left out for sensationalism, which discredits the reports.

Let me see if I understand this: if they took action, and the article does not reference it, then the report is discredited and the incident never took place? That logic sounds sort of like a Monty Python sketch...

 

[rwodonnell]

Originally posted by Golter
I cannot believe I along with others are wasting our times responding to this nonsense. Its the same old homophobic *** that is spread through made up stories like this. It is unsubstanciated, unverified, reckless, hateful, and right in line with many other antigay groups. I wouldn't expect less from the FRC.

I always find it amusing when accusations of hatefulness and phobia are made with a voice filled with vitriol and fear. Sort of ironic, that.

 

[Sarangel]

Don't read too much into someone else's post rwodonnell - it is very hard to hear the 'tone' of someone's words in print. It's equally possible that Goltar sees it as a simple statement of fact.

 

[rwodonnell]

Originally posted by Sarangel
Don't read too much into someone else's post rwodonnell - it is very hard to hear the 'tone' of someone's words in print. It's equally possible that Goltar sees it as a simple statement of fact.

Okay, fair enough. I ask the question, then - what exactly is "hateful" about the article? (In case it's not obvious, that is one of the baseless charges I get very tired of.)

 

[dcentity2000]

Originally posted by rwodonnell
Okay, fair enough. I ask the question, then - what exactly is "hateful" about the article? (In case it's not obvious, that is one of the baseless charges I get very tired of.)

Inferring negative characteristics by hook or crook is defamation and an offence; this article could be turning one ugly incident into an 'issue' that Disney has to deal with. You can take one phrase and spin it any way you please, it's just how the world works. This author could be trying to pass one unfotunate incident off as an 'issue' that Disney has or perhaps the author could be selectively quoting. As the article is quite openly critical of Disney I doubt they are holding back any damning evidence.



Rich::

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by rwodonnell
Let me see if I understand this: if they took action, and the article does not reference it, then the report is discredited and the incident never took place? That logic sounds sort of like a Monty Python sketch...

I did NOT say the incident never took place, I'm saying the report is obviously written in a biased way to evoke a certain impression of Disney that may not be fully truthful, which in turn discredits the impression that Disney is somehow negligent.

It would be like saying: "My house burned down, the fire department never showed up, we have a lousy fire department, the fire department didn't do their job."

But I fail to disclose as to whether or not anyone called to report the fire. The incident would still have taken place, but the fire department could not put out a fire they didn't know about.

These people in the college program are ADULTS, and Disney is not responsible for actions of these adults in their off hours, any more than your employer is responsible for what you do in your free time. If laws and rules were being broken, and these incident(s) were not reported to Disney they could no more have taken any action than a fire department that no one calls to report a fire. That does NOT make Disney responsible , even though the report does it's best to bring the reader to that conclusion.

 

[rwodonnell]

Originally posted by Chuck S
These people in the college program are ADULTS, and Disney is not responsible for actions of these adults in their off hours, any more than your employer is responsible for what you do in your free time.

On this we agree.

 

[rwodonnell]

Originally posted by dcentity2000

Inferring negative characteristics by hook or crook is defamation and an offence; this article could be turning one ugly incident into an 'issue' that Disney has to deal with. You can take one phrase and spin it any way you please, it's just how the world works. This author could be trying to pass one unfotunate incident off as an 'issue' that Disney has or perhaps the author could be selectively quoting. As the article is quite openly critical of Disney I doubt they are holding back any damning evidence.

Excuse me, but couldn't Abu Ghraib be considered "one ugly incident"? If the incident did indeed occur, and if indeed this is sort of standard behaviour, then Disney should deal with it. At the very least, the incident described is clearly sexual harrassment, and I know at least in my world, my employer can be held responsible if they do not address an environment where such harrassment can occur. I am at somewhat of a loss to understand why there is less concern over this.

You may doubt the incident took place - that is one thing. To say it doesn't matter if it did is quite another.