Current Magical Beginnings promotion with Direct

Great, thanks sandi! Looks like the recommended price for 50 points in my UY is $181, the instant sale is $145. I have a hard time believing I couldn’t get $180/point which would allow me to break even on what I paid with the 9.25% commission but maybe not…. I’m hardly seeing any small point VGF contracts at the moment. Maybe I will talk to one of the brokers to see how they are selling.

That sounds like a good plan. I am just one that goes into buying with the worst case scenario situation when it comes to resale value... and if it still makes sense to do it with that outcome, then anything more is simply bonus!
 
That sounds like a good plan. I am just one that goes into buying with the worst case scenario situation when it comes to resale value... and if it still makes sense to do it with that outcome, then anything more is simply bonus!
I agree. It is definitely kind of right on the edge of what I would consider a safe purchase but I’m going to have to do some checking on a few things first.
 
I’m planning on choosing a September use year so I get the 2022 points. If I try to do extended payments through Disney (seems like 60 or 90 days is possible?) will that impact this promotion at all since it seems like it expires at the end of the month?
 
I’m planning on choosing a September use year so I get the 2022 points. If I try to do extended payments through Disney (seems like 60 or 90 days is possible?) will that impact this promotion at all since it seems like it expires at the end of the month?

No. The spreading out of payments, assuming it’s approved, does not change the incentives as those are based on day you agree to buy.
 

Ok so this is where it’s getting a little too much financial trickery IMHO. And I was gonna start a thread about this but figured I didn’t want to upset the DVC mob.

Realistically, NOBODY is buying into VGF for $161/pt. You are renting back pts you can use/bank/rent on your own to get to that price. In theory you can rent your pts for 15 years and just about break even and say you paid $0.00 for VGF but you are just lowering your cost basis by renting things you could have used.
It’s like leasing a new car and the dealership says “let us keep the car in the showroom and for test drives for the first month” we’ll give you $300 to rent it back and it will lower your amount owed”. Now your 36 month lease is really 35 months of driving it.

Edit to add. I’m NOT saying it’s a bad deal and we might take advantage of it ourselves. I’m just trying to make the point that it’s not $161/pt and you have to evaluate if the pts are worth more to use bank or do MB.
I do see where the $22 buy back is a little misleading, but the main "perk" of buying direct was always receiving current UY points. I would be hard pressed to find a resale contract with full 2022 points intact. They wouldn't be bankable for any UY at this point and the seller would request full dues on them if they existed. Plus points would be restricted and I couldn't pick contract sizes. As for renting, it's hard to say "rent 150 points." You would need to find someone that wanted a reservation that happened to use the entire UY without stranding any or dipping into the next UY and willing to rent with you directly for $22+ since brokers are all about $18 in the 7-11 month window.

I do think the program works better for some UYs and if you are a current member vs a new member. Current members with Aug (as of last week), Sept, Oct, and Dec UYs could have their entire 2023 UY booked and not need the 2022 UY points so it's just a great offset. A new member may want those points or start banking forward. @Sandisw made an excellent point about DLH. That would be very hard for anyone starting with 0 points for so long.
 
Question: can someone explain the strategy of going into a contract within the window to cancel if the next incentives are better? How does that work? Do you get but not sign the contract, or ??? My current plan is go get 150 direct VGF points, but I'd like to keep my options open if the next incentives are better.
 
Question: can someone explain the strategy of going into a contract within the window to cancel if the next incentives are better? How does that work? Do you get but not sign the contract, or ??? My current plan is go get 150 direct VGF points, but I'd like to keep my options open if the next incentives are better.
The strategy is to get the best deal possible. Whether that’s with the current or next round of incentives. The contract doesn’t close until it’s paid in full (with or without financing) with all the signed documents and past the recession period. That’s why DVC would be willing to re-do it before the deal is closed imo.
 
Question: can someone explain the strategy of going into a contract within the window to cancel if the next incentives are better? How does that work? Do you get but not sign the contract, or ??? My current plan is go get 150 direct VGF points, but I'd like to keep my options open if the next incentives are better.
Based on Florida timeshare law you have 10 days essentially to rescind the contract. You want to sign your documents ideally a couple days before the current round of incentives end. If the next round of incentives is better, you just contact your guide and tell them you want to cancel your contract and redo it with the current round of incentives.
 
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This is super tempting--too bad I'm March UY
Im also a March UY, but decided to add a Dec UY to get the best incentives. I’d def want to keep all my points in March, but the incentives were too good to do so. I chose Dec to get as close to March as I could
 
All this talk about VGF getting to 150s.

Please walk me through the math on this say for Dec UY. We are strictly resale folk to date but itching to get blue card 150 points and if the math pencils out 150pp, may be able to convince wife to dip into that.
 
the math is I believe 161 pp for 150 points.
Depends on how you do the math... :)

For instance, we bought VGF1 at offering at $145 per point. For a 150 point contract, that is $21,750 (and at that time, I don't believe there were closing costs when purchasing direct), so for 50 years of points (or 7,500 points) it breaks down to $2.90 per point.

Using MB currently, you'd have 39 years of points at $161. For a 150 point contract, that is $24,150+closing costs(let's say $850) for a total of $25,000, so for 39 years of points (or 5,850 points) it breaks down to $4.27 per point.

So, one could argue that even with this, VGF is 47% more expensive, even with MB, than when it went on sale.
 
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Depends on how you do the math... :)

For instance, we bought VGF1 at offering at $145 per point. For a 150 point contract, that is $21,750 (and at that time, I don't believe there were closing costs when purchasing direct), so for 50 years of points (or 7,500 points) it breaks down to $2.90 per point.

Using MB currently, you'd have 39 years of points at $161. For a 150 point contract, that is $24,150+closing costs(let's say $850) for a total of $25,000, so for 39 years of points (or 5,850 points) it breaks down to $4.27 per point.

So, one could argue that even with this, VGF is 47% more expensive, even with MB, than when it went on sale.
TY; no one has the ability to go back in time so only comparisons to purchase is today's direct +incentives vs resale.

Being West Coasters, our litmus test is AUL Subsidized which is currently drawing about $130pp with 2062 and the MFs a little lower ($.60pp cheaper). So the yearly costs are a little higher for sure; but gets us WDW placement and Blue card opportunities. -- something we can kick around in benefits. The MF are so much lower than VDH and the poor incentives just wasn't doing it for us there.

161pp with MB on Dec UY 2022, right? So Dec '23 still valid?
 
TY; no one has the ability to go back in time so only comparisons to purchase is today's direct +incentives vs resale.

Being West Coasters, our litmus test is AUL Subsidized which is currently drawing about $130pp with 2062 and the MFs a little lower ($.60pp cheaper). So the yearly costs are a little higher for sure; but gets us WDW placement and Blue card opportunities. -- something we can kick around in benefits. The MF are so much lower than VDH and the poor incentives just wasn't doing it for us there.

161pp with MB on Dec UY 2022, right? So Dec '23 still valid?
Yes, it's $161.10 per point on 150 points + closing. You sell back the current 2022 UY points and get a $3,300 rebate check after you close. You must purchase at least 4 days prior to the end of the UY to take advantage of Magical Beginnings. Full 2023 allotment is there 12/1/23 and you can start booking with them the minute they are loaded (you do not need to close first). 2022 points will also get loaded, but taken away a day or 2 later.
 
TY; no one has the ability to go back in time so only comparisons to purchase is today's direct +incentives vs resale.

Being West Coasters, our litmus test is AUL Subsidized which is currently drawing about $130pp with 2062 and the MFs a little lower ($.60pp cheaper). So the yearly costs are a little higher for sure; but gets us WDW placement and Blue card opportunities. -- something we can kick around in benefits. The MF are so much lower than VDH and the poor incentives just wasn't doing it for us there.

161pp with MB on Dec UY 2022, right? So Dec '23 still valid?
Fair point, but you are still buying a resort with 39 years left versus the full compliment. While I am indifferent about RIV, I think with the additional years on the contract it would be a better play if it weren’t restricted…

But it is…
 
I was in your exact position and just put the deposit down for my 150 points at GFV. I’m not signing until 9/12 so I can see what the new incentive are..in case I decide to switch incentives.

For me, the buy in cost was equal or less than current resales there it was a no brainer. In my personal opinion, it’s the best direct offer in a very long time, and speculation is that the new incentives won’t be as good. You can always sign up and rescind within 10 days if you change your mind. For me, I just knew 9/12 would hit and I’d be kicking myself for not buying when I thought I should.

Couldn’t be happier about my decision!!
 
I was in your exact position and just put the deposit down for my 150 points at GFV. I’m not signing until 9/12 so I can see what the new incentive are..in case I decide to switch incentives.

For me, the buy in cost was equal or less than current resales there it was a no brainer. In my personal opinion, it’s the best direct offer in a very long time, and speculation is that the new incentives won’t be as good. You can always sign up and rescind within 10 days if you change your mind. For me, I just knew 9/12 would hit and I’d be kicking myself for not buying when I thought I should.

Couldn’t be happier about my decision!!
Great buy for sure!

I liked the “rescission play” so much that I started inquiring into it for RIV (DRR). Discussed it with Dan Dolan my guide and he said not to worry that they would honor superior incentives as long as the contract hasn’t closed. For the 200-point contract, it would have to be $2250 better to make hopping incentive worthwhile. Just an FYI for those of us suffering FOMO 🫣
 



















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