Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[andyman8]

Weeks ago there was no way Disney wouldbring even projections back to the castle after other social distancing incidents that were fixed and resolved.

I’m not saying that they are bringing fireworks back tomorrow, but I guarantee that this incident isn’t the end all be all decision maker on whether they brought back fireworks. What needs to be understood that these things can’t be worked on without real life situations being played out. You can plan for it all day and night and still not have a perfect plan for when it happens. So when it does happen in real life you act and adjust. Same thing will happen if/when fireworks are brought back, or when the castle projections start in November

Is it the end all be all? No and I’m not saying that, but it reaffirms management’s reasoning for holding off on parades and fireworks and they’re not going to take on the added financial burden/risk when they see things like this. I can tell you that management and area Leadership (especially on Main Street) absolutely pays attention to everything, especially when things start to pop up on social media. That’s good, because it means they learn and improve based on things like this, but it also does get communicated to higher ups and affect decisions going forward.

The projections aren’t an “easing in” towards fireworks. Shanghai was doing those on day one of reopening. If WDW wanted to spend the money to develop some, they could’ve done them in July, but with the late summer sunset, it didn’t make sense. If anything, they’re a substitute for the time being, and more so a substitute for the Castle Dream Lights.

 

[Tigger's ally]

Exactly. Cases drop in some states and so Americans seem to think its over?! Meanwhile many countries around the world are going into their 2nd or even 3rd wave.

I trust you are covering those countries efforts with the same fine tooth comb that you have been doing with Disney.

 

[Farro]

"I'm fine with that" and being "comfortable with" makes this sound like mental health is the issue. It isnt. The virus doesn't suddenly stop if you're doing something you're "fine with" or "comfortable with"


We have a big issue in the uk right now thanks to younger people thinking its OK do to stuff - because they want to, its their right to etc. Our gov health secretary came out with a phrase which I suspect I'd get in trouble for posting - but he was right. Nothing is worth doing because you're "comfortable" with it when you consider his phrase. Unless it's watching a cavalcade apparently.

This is so out of bounds of what we are discussing. We were talking about the parade at Disney.
Did you even read anything i said? No, you didn't.

Yeesh.

 

[Spridell]

Great! So thats OK then..........?

Don't go near the crowds. Find another place. Simple. I Watched 2 from frontierland and there was no one there at all

 

[anthony2k7]

I’m hesitant to get too far into this discussion, but I think the idea is that even if everyone pictured feels “comfortable” with the risk they’re taking, they could “carry” whatever they’ve potentially contracted to others (who’ve not made the choice to take that risk) in their homes and communities.

Now, again, it’s one set of pictures and we all kind of know how the “I wanna be first” Disney crowd reacts to any “event” like this. Just like morning on reopening day, I’d imagine this is a one-off and social distancing won’t be a big problem for future cavalcades. That said, it selfishly upsets me, because if anybody sees this and thinks this bodes well for the return of parades and fireworks, they’d be mistaken. If people can’t adhere to the physical distancing guidelines for a “spontaneous” special cavalcade, it doesn’t inspire a whole lot of confidence for what will happen before and after a showing of Happily After Ever. While Disney would love to have parades and fireworks back in the parks, they also seem perfectly content saving the money and moving ahead with reduced hours. They’re not going to take the added risk when they see things like this.

Exactly. Thank you for being the voice of reason as usual and putting things more eloquently that I possibly could.

 

[anthony2k7]

This is so out of bounds of what we are discussing. We were talking about the parade at Disney.
Did you even read anything i said? No, you didn't.

Yeesh.

I did.

 

[HikingFam]

Just because you (hypothetical “you”) are comfortable standing in my personal space in a mask doesn’t mean I’m comfortable having you there. Why is the only choice here for me to leave my spot? Why can’t we all just follow the rules and be respectful of personal space?

 

[LSUmiss]

So if there is an "escape" route does that mean the risk is negligible? I don't think so.

No but it means each individual needs to make their own choice. I’d feel ok standing that close to someone for just a few min if they were properly wearing a mask & if I didn’t feel comfortable, it would be up to ME to leave.

 

[Farro]

Just because you (hypothetical “you”) are comfortable standing in my personal space in a mask doesn’t mean I’m comfortable having you there. Why is the only choice here for me to leave my spot? Why can’t we all just follow the rules and be respectful of personal space?

Well of course ideally no one should go in your personal space and you have every right to politely ask them to move (or don't do that if uncomfortable).
The point was it's just going to happen sometimes and if you are really uncomfortable, you may have to avoid situations where it can arise.
That's just the way it happens sometimes.

 

[xuxa777]

I mean the things pass in like minutes. Gimme a break.

Agree, even the CDC doesn't count an exposure until it is over 15 minutes, without or without a mask and with a known positive case.

 

[Dentam]

Agree, even the CDC doesn't count an exposure until it is over 15 minutes, without or without a mask.

But they do recommend staying out of crowds.

 

[LSUmiss]

I must have missed the news where masks meant social distancing was cancelled.

Well like I’ve posted before, cdc guidelines say exposure is if you’re within 6ft one someone for more than 15 min without a mask. So if that rule is good enough for schools other facilities, then or should be for wdw.

 

[xuxa777]

But they do recommend staying out of crowds.

and it is clear that is easily done in WDW.

 

[LSUmiss]

Angles and the fact that when people see 8 people together they don't think automatically that they are probably the same party instead of two or more groups together make it look much worse than it actually was.

That said, fear sells and we will keep getting fear porn for the foreseeable future.

Fear & judgement. So many self righteous ppl want pat themselves on the back when they see stuff like this.

 

[anthony2k7]

Agree, even the CDC doesn't count an exposure until it is over 15 minutes, without or without a mask and with a known positive case.

Yep any coughs etc don't count in the first 14 minutes 59 seconds. CDC says so.

 

[Dentam]

and it is clear that is easily done in WDW.

Not always and especially not if they continue to add things that draw crowds or increase attendance caps.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Exactly, thank you. I get tired of hearing the same argument of "well, I'm comfortable with it and if you're not just don't come". It's a selfish outlook that is so common in this country and doesn't take into account how someone's actions can affect others.

Some would argue that going to WDW during a pandemic is selfish....period.

I read this somewhere on the internet “the same people that go to Disney during a pandemic are the same people who will run you over for a tv on Black Friday.”

do I agree with that? No. But I can see how some think those that go to a theme park during a pandemic are only thinking of themselves.

 

[LSUmiss]

I’m hesitant to get too far into this discussion, but I think the idea is that even if everyone pictured feels “comfortable” with the risk they’re taking, they could “carry” whatever they’ve potentially contracted to others (who’ve not made the choice to take that risk) in their homes and communities.

Now, again, it’s one set of pictures and we all kind of know how the “I wanna be first” Disney crowd reacts to any “event” like this. Just like morning on reopening day, I’d imagine this is a one-off and social distancing won’t be a big problem for future cavalcades. That said, it selfishly upsets me, because if anybody sees this and thinks this bodes well for the return of parades and fireworks, they’d be mistaken. If people can’t adhere to the physical distancing guidelines for a “spontaneous” special cavalcade, it doesn’t inspire a whole lot of confidence for what will happen before and after a showing of Happily After Ever. While Disney would love to have parades and fireworks back in the parks, they also seem perfectly content saving the money and moving ahead with reduced hours. They’re not going to take the added risk when they see things like this.

But ppl should be socially distancing everywhere so even if ppl contract it at wdw then they shouldn’t be able to spread it to anyone not willing to take the same risk.

 

[hertamaniac]

Correct and if people don't feel safe....just move..plain and simple.

And to balance that, if you feel safe.....don't move and risk being a contagion to others who did move.

 

[anthony2k7]

Some would argue that going to WDW during a pandemic is selfish....period.

I read this somewhere on the internet “the same people that go to Disney during a pandemic are the same people who will run you over for a tv on Black Friday.”

do I agree with that? No. But I can see how some think those that go to a theme park during a pandemic are only thinking of themselves.

Its certainly similar if not the same.