Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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But the low crowds are going away lol. I wonder if demand would have come closer to being met if Florida never got hit with a spike

I also wonder this and if Disney did meet the attendance cap right off the bat, how much business they would have subsequently lost from out of state visitors seeing those crowd levels and canceling trips. It seems like either way, virus spike or attendance spike, they would have been in nearly the same position in the end... maybe? Fine line they're walking.
 
Getting pretty close to that. Earlier in the week FDA approved a new saliva test that I believe can get results within 25 minutes. And thought to have 95% accuracy.

Also Pfizer just reported they are still on track to have their first doses of Vaccines ready to ship out by November, they will be submitting it for review in October.

Been saying it, it's coming quicker than what people on here think.

How I hope this happens...
 
They’ll start hyping the 50th in January. The festivities wont start until the Summer. But they have 2, possibly 3 major attractions opening next year. They’re going to make a big push for guests
Nothing has been confirmed but there have been several articles written about how the 50th celebration won't start until October 2021 and then last until the end of 2022. Of course it is all speculation.
 
Getting pretty close to that. Earlier in the week FDA approved a new saliva test that I believe can get results within 25 minutes. And thought to have 95% accuracy.

Also Pfizer just reported they are still on track to have their first doses of Vaccines ready to ship out by November, they will be submitting it for review in October.

Been saying it, it's coming quicker than what people on here think.

Either one would allow Disney to potentially resume Fireworks, M&G, Park Hopping, etc. Obviously not the day after these are instituted into the Parks operations, it would take some time for Disney to feel comfortable enough, and to develop a system where guests could take a saliva test and wait safely for the results. It might take them them having timed entries so you dont have thousands of guests congregating in one area, but thats a decision and process that people far smarter, and paid much more than me would be able to make.
 
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Nothing has been confirmed but there have been several articles written about how the 50th celebration won't start until October 2021 and then last until the end of 2022. Of course it is all speculation.

I believe you’re right. And the September 26th date thats all over everything (ticket extensions, park reservations, etc) would suggest thats true. But I think they’ll have an ad campaign to draw people starting early next year
 
It's a thin line because they also don't have a lot of food places open. I know when we go in 2 weeks we'll be eating off property a lot because a lot of the stuff we like isn't open and we can't hop to Epcot to eat F&W.
we often go to a park during the day and go to Epcot for dinner- then go somewhere to watch HEA (TOTWL). We have APs, DVC sometimes we get the DDP but mostly we pay oop for food. We buy merchandise, eat at sit downrestaurants, etc. it with the parks closing so early , no park hopping and no fireworks.... that is money Disney won’t get from us for lack of opportunity Not by our choice.
 
That's the bigger reason for people not taking Disney or Universal vacations. Them relying on locals only can last for so long. Hopefully things change by next year but I have my doubts
I wouldn’t stress over it. Next year a lot will have changed. A vaccine will be out and travel will resume. Already the demand for Disney cruises for 2021 is high. We booked a Panama Canal cruise and some categories were already sold out. Disney will survive this and come out stronger. They do know what they’re doing versus us posters just making wild guesses.
 
I wouldn’t stress over it. Next year a lot will have changed. A vaccine will be out and travel will resume. Already the demand for Disney cruises for 2021 is high. We booked a Panama Canal cruise and some categories were already sold out. Disney will survive this and come out stronger. They do know what they’re doing versus us posters just making wild guesses.

Theres a reason we’re the ones speculating on a message board while they’re in charge of making the decisions we’re speculating they’ll potentially make.
 
I wouldn’t stress over it. Next year a lot will have changed. A vaccine will be out and travel will resume. Already the demand for Disney cruises for 2021 is high. We booked a Panama Canal cruise and some categories were already sold out. Disney will survive this and come out stronger. They do know what they’re doing versus us posters just making wild guesses.

Demand for 2021 cruises is high only because you have 6-9 months of 2020 cruises rebooked to 2021. I’ve had to rebook three 2020 cruises at this point and I’m likely going to have to rebook my Christmas cruise as well. I’m glad I booked my 2021 summer European cruises Before Covid hit. They are so much more expensive now.
 
Demand for 2021 cruises is high only because you have 6-9 months of 2020 cruises rebooked to 2021. I’ve had to rebook three 2020 cruises at this point and I’m likely going to have to rebook my Christmas cruise as well. I’m glad I booked my 2021 summer European cruises Before Covid hit. They are so much more expensive now.
True. And they’re expensive because the demand is there. I had the Hawaii cruise booked for this year that was cancelled. Luckily Disney isn’t just in the cruise or theme park business only.
 
A few notes:

On attendance/crowds: I want to emphasize that there is no evidence that demand is going up significantly. In the current moment, higher crowds does not necessarily mean higher. I'd argue that the current demand was already there back in July, but just wasn't being met with anything close to the adequate supply. How do I know this? Because 1) these increases in attendance have correlated with Disney releasing more and more AP spots (and as they release more, they have to take more from another bucket, which is why you see the Theme Park Ticketholder bucket now has a little less availability) 2) hotel occupancy rates (on property and especially off property) aren't even close to where Disney wants them to be, and 3) the drop-off from weekend attendance to weekday attendance is still significant, far too significant relative to where WDW wants it to be. WDW doesn't just make money on its theme parks. Its revenue model is one that is designed to capture as much business as possible from Guests at almost every point of purchase throughout a weeklong vacation. When Chapek said that AP holders don't spend as much as a 5-7 day resort guests, that's what he was talking about. The average AP holder (who doesn't do an extended resort stay) doesn't visit enough days to make up for the revenue they would get outside of the parks 24/7 for a week. People underestimate just how much that is. Even if food and merchandise are making some money in the parks, resorts, resort merchandise, resort dining, bars/lounges, add-ons are all seeing very, very limited revenue. Remember, from the poll a few weeks ago, that just over 3/4 of Americans don't feel comfortable visiting a theme park at the moment. Labor Day shows some hope, but after that, September is going to be very rough. All eyes are on October now. That's the month that will determine what the rest of 2020 and early 2021 looks like.

On park hours: Remember that the hours are a template in a way. If they really start seeing demand pick up heavily in October, they can always extend hours on certain days. It's a lot easier to do that than to cut hours on short notice. After these hours reductions, I wouldn't be surprised if the next step sees them increasing hours on weekends and leaving the reduced hours in place on weekdays. This wouldn't happen until after September at the earliest and that's not to say it will happen. Prior to the closure, WDW extended hours all the time and it was very common to see one set of hours for the weekdays and another set from the weekends (i.e. S-Th MK open from 9am to 10pm, F-S MK open from 9am to 11pm). That said, there are still so many unknowns here. I'd caution against lending any credence to anyone (including posters here) who try to tell you something about what will happen with this pandemic with any certainty. Nobody knows and anything can happen, so there's no use in trying to derive a false sense of reassurance from someone on here.

On holidays: As has been discussed, there will be holiday decorations up this year. The details of what festivities will be offered/cancelled should be announced soon. I know there's been quite a bit more activity in Holiday Services since we last broached this topic, though not as much as a regular year.

On the 50th: As Ryan and others mentioned, the original (pre-COVID-19) plan was to start the festivities sometime just before summer (think how Disneyland's 50th started on May 5 and its 60th on May 22) and continue well into 2022. Of course, the plans have changed. Last I heard (which was back in early April, so it's very possible that things may have changed), the plan was to push the start date to October (to the actual fiftieth) and run it through the very end of 2022. That way the projects should hopefully be done by that point and the hope was to be able to mostly finish the trimmed down Epcot redo by then as well. Nobody knows what 2021 holds, including Disney. The hope is obviously we get a vaccine and/or a therapeutic, but based on everything we're hearing, even if the U.S. has an approved vaccine by the end of this year, we won't have distributed it and then built up enough overall immunity in any meaningful way until probably late Spring or summer at least. Now, when WHO says the pandemic won't over for two years, remember that they're talking about the global situation (not just the U.S.) and there are lots of different countries with all sorts of different resources and unique situations that might affect their response, vaccine availability, and community spread/immunity. I'd argue that most of the current WDW restrictions will have been relaxed before the global pandemic is declared over (that's not to say they're going away anytime soon). The threshold for that seems to be very high.
 
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Here's part of Disney's problem with the spending though, they don't have enough open. I would LOVE to spend all the money on property when we're there in 2 weeks but we will most likely be going off property a lot to eat since they don't have things open. I do fear without hopping ability that is hard though. I would, for example, eat breakfast at Tuskery House and then hop to Epcot in the afternoon and eat there or hop to DHS and eat at SciFi for dinner.

Until they increase ride capacity they can't really increase park capacity though without some major disappointed guests.

I know Sea World isn't what most people look to but they are at lease increasing ride capacity and have fireworks back with no adverse effects.
 
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