Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[aibo]

Let me ask you this (all y'all)

How do YOU propose tens of thousands of people in a Disney park maintain social distancing of 6 feet?
I've actually thought about it, and can't imagine a scenario even with virtual queue.

Really curious what you guys think would work.

A sneezes travels 25ft

 

[rteetz]

Right, and that’s great for adults but Disney caters to children. You can’t put it on “children” to not touch their faces.

Even adults don’t always listen so you’re never going to get everyone to do everything they are supposed to. However if you get some to that’s better than none. There are people today who still go out and about like nothing is going on when they are being told to stay home. Disney can do their part tho to help.

 

[e_yerger]

Right, and that’s great for adults but Disney caters to children. You can’t put it on “children” to not touch their faces.

I respect that, but this is a reality of the situation.

I'm not a parent (childless millennial if you would), so I don't want to tell people how to parent. But all of my nieces & nephews favorite thing to tell me on Facetime is to yell at me to stop touching my face. They're all under the age of 6. So yeah, it's possible.

 

[jlwhitney]

Yep. I'm not sure college dorms will be able to open. I HATE it. But a previous poster is correct. We will not be back to normal for a long, long time. We will have to figure out how to adjust.

Spain is allowing non-essential workers to go back to work this week. Restaurants still closed. There numbers are nowhere near zero.
This is how it will start here. Most importantly, getting as many people back to work as possible. Then restaurants can start to open - maybe with new rules on how many people at one time.
I do not think we will be waiting for cases to get to zero.

I predict, , Disney will be able to have more than 10 people working at a time come mid-May. They will start getting the parks in shape for a mid-summer reopen. Obviously they can't possibly enforce social distancing, so something else will be decided upon. That, I don't know.

I can only think those wanting everything (not just Disney) to stay closed must not be in fear of any economic repercussions.

As for what local Governors are saying - they are all in office. They want to stay in office. Right now public opinion is still one of fear and wanting to stay locked down. Once that opinion starts to sway in the other direction, watch how fast the Governors/Mayors change their tune.

It is already starting to sway in the other direction....not many people are going to tolerate this much longer and more and more will be speaking up.

 

[Spridell]

Just said during the daily briefing (and this does pertain to Disney) that going Forward EACH STATE will have a new set of guidelines from the CDC for social distancing and crowd sizes.

So it looks like its going to be SPECIFIC to each State and circumstances.

 

[Kadorto]

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

Unless they put hand sanitizer stations upon leaving the ride. It will be on the guests to not touch their faces.

Wait!!?? I'm going to be responsible for my own face??

 

[e_yerger]

Even adults don’t always listen so you’re never going to get everyone to do everything they are supposed to.

It's also not Disney's responsibility to make us not touch our own faces... it's our responsibility...... as human beings.....

 

[e_yerger]

Wait!!?? I'm going to be responsible for my own face??

I know, blasphemy

 

[WeatherLights]

For starters, I don't think there'll be tens of thousands allowed in any of the parks, period. Attendance in each park will be measured in thousands. Can Disney make it work financially on thousands? Not at full capacity, which is why I think we're seeing talks of entertainment cut backs, ride cut backs, staffing cut backs etc... If they drastically cut into the experience, I would think that they could probably make it work with say, 10,000 per park, when you add in the money they'll make off merchandise, food etc... 10,000 sounds like a huge number, but when you spread those people out throughout the entire MK on rides, in shops, restaurants etc... I don't think it's that unfeasible.

Mickey head stickers on the floor in all queues (rides and restaurants, entrances etc...) to space people out. Virtual queues. No entertainment (parades, fireworks etc...). Theatre-style seating attractions run at limited capacity with each person/family seated 6' apart, every other row. Restaurants are very easy to set up to maintain distance. Maybe even staggered park entrance - let so many in from 9-3 and then again from 3-9. Doubles their daily totals while maintaining necessary limits.

The balance between limiting attendance and turning a profit will be interesting to see if/when the parks reopen. I keep waiting for someone on this thread to throw out some numbers on this! I, personally, have no idea what those numbers would be

 

[rteetz]

The balance between limiting attendance and turning a profit will be interesting to see if/when the parks reopen. I keep waiting for someone on this thread to throw out some numbers on this! I, personally, have no idea what those numbers would be

Nobody does because disney doesn’t release any of that. We can see their public financial reports but we don’t know all the details and they don’t release attendance numbers.

 

[e_yerger]

The balance between limiting attendance and turning a profit will be interesting to see if/when the parks reopen. I keep waiting for someone on this thread to throw out some numbers on this! I, personally, have no idea what those numbers would be

Numbers! I want numbers! idk what they mean but I want them!

(i'm totally joking with you, I just found your comment hilarious )

 

[jerry557]

Even adults don’t always listen so you’re never going to get everyone to do everything they are supposed to.

No kidding. You know how many times I've been to Disney World and see some idiot (an adult) go to the bathroom and not wash their hands? It's all the time.

 

[Remy is Up]

I can’t speak for anyone else. My thinking has nothing to do with waiting for a vaccine, if and when a safe vaccine arrives is a bonus. I don’t see the parks being closed for the length of time that will take. There are many many steps involved in getting FDA approval of new medications. Social distancing being successful is great, but what happens when social distancing is no longer being practiced as diligently as we are required to do now? We know how the disease is behaving right now, that may or may not be so for how it will behave in a month or six weeks - we only know what it is right now. Time is the one thing that tells the tale with this virus.

You’ve asked if I believe that 0% death rate will be achieved by mid June - I’d have to go with no on this one. When I look at the situation as a whole, accurate numbers are dependent on testing. Testing is still not being done universally, so how can you place your faith in the numbers when data can not be universally collected. I also watch and keep informed on how it is going with those who are ahead of North America on the curve. Not one country who has weathered this virus is anywhere near back to business as usual. How can we expect anything different here.

As I said earlier, the solution to reopening a venue as large as Disney will take time. I don’t think that a late summer/fall opening is unreasonable - not from a business or public health standpoint. Both are paramount for any opening to be successful and ongoing. Make a mistake when the stakes are this high and have to repeat a shutdown for a second time in just a few weeks would be a disaster from a PR point of view. Who would be comfortable booking a vacation that costs thousands of dollars with a company who got it wrong and had to shut down a second time.

Anyone in a rush at this point needs to slow down and relax. Possible reactivation issues in patients, high failure rate of tests, etc etc. We are a but further along than we were 2 weeks ago but the peak in florida is still late april at best. Too many unknowns and medical reasoning will override any rushing. Disney was actually smart in how they handled this internally. Setting various windows based on to date information. Knowing how long it would take to get things restarted once there was an understanding of each aspect. It's a rolling window. As a week goes by the window shifts based on expected response by local and state government. They dont have inside information. They are just very meticuous and careful about how to proceed. Late july early august at best currently.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

I respect that, but this is a reality of the situation.

I'm not a parent (childless millennial if you would), so I don't want to tell people how to parent. But all of my nieces & nephews favorite thing to tell me on Facetime is to yell at me to stop touching my face. They're all under the age of 6. So yeah, it's possible.

them saying it and not doing it are two different things. They’re kids. They’ll be at WDW. Having fun. Being in the moment. I guarantee you they forget.

heck it’s hard for me to stay 6 feet away from people and I touch my face a lot. It’s a hard habit to break. I have to be very mindful to not do these things. And I’m an adult.

I wouldn’t put that on small excited kids in a theme park.

 

[e_yerger]

Maybe they will put bathroom attendants that will check guests leaving for wet hands.... like how our moms used to check our toothbrush if it was wet before bed

 

[Kadorto]

The balance between limiting attendance and turning a profit will be interesting to see if/when the parks reopen. I keep waiting for someone on this thread to throw out some numbers on this! I, personally, have no idea what those numbers would be

Here you go..
893,456.003.74/1243(1567-4509)+345,054/16~492,875.35= open in June

 

[xuxa777]

The problem isn’t even just that. Social distancing isn’t just keeping people 6 people apart (although that’s a big piece of it). It’s also not having hundreds or thousands of people handling the same things. Ride cars are going to be a big vector for infection unless they figure out a way to sterilize the omnimovers. I guess they could try to install some kind of disinfectant sprays like they have in China that blast and spray the ride cars after people exit but before they enter, but that sounds pretty expensive.

I think over time, next few months we are going to find out that it will not be a vector for infection (surface infections), so that will no be an issue. Overall the parks will not be an infectous vector or environment as people currently think. I do reallize many people think that is not the case, just putting my opinion out there.

 

[e_yerger]

them saying it and not doing it are two different things. They’re kids. They’ll be at WDW. Having fun. Being in the moment. I guarantee you they forget.

heck it’s hard for me to stay 6 feet away from people and I touch my face a lot. It’s a hard habit to break. I have to be very mindful to not do these things. And I’m an adult.

I wouldn’t put that on small excited kids in a theme park.

It takes 30 days to make a habit (for adults, idk about kids), so now is a good time to start something new. This is coming from a nail biter of 26 years who stopped last year.

 

[jlwhitney]

Just said during the daily briefing (and this does pertain to Disney) that going Forward EACH STATE will have a new set of guidelines from the CDC for social distancing and crowd sizes.

So it looks like its going to be SPECIFIC to each State and circumstances.

I hope they are still planning on letting governors make decisions within the state, since each state has different demographics throughout it.

 

[joelanza5]

Reading this thread, I was reminded of how a psychologist on the news said that people were grieving right now (and may not know that they are). They weren't referring to grief in the sense of losing a loved one, but more in the sense of grieving the loss of "normalcy".
I'm not a psychologist or expert, by any means, but if feels like there's a lot of denial on here...maybe quiet anger.

This has led to a lot of educated guesses (which I'll admit - I added my opinion last night.), but it has also led to a fair amount of "well I think you're wrong, and I'm right."

How does this serve any of us?

None of us actually know when the parks are going to re-open or how they're going to re-open.
Let us move into acceptance of that.