Cruise 10/11/2003 Part 2

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Originally posted by CWD
All you early Arrivers to the port, Do not forget that the ship will be returning from Dry Dock Service (Sept 27-Oct 10) so there will be no disembarking passengers. This may allow embarkation earlier than normal.

Later,
Chris

Is there any big advantage in getting there early? We were thinking of taking our time leaving that morning - but it almost seems like we'll have to head out at least by 10 latest (we're staying at CBR). We were figuring on having breakfast somewhere first, but it seems that might have to be rushed.
I have no problem getting there early (since I'm up by 5:30 every day anyway), but DGf hates rushing somewhere for nothing, says it gives her migraines. Since Embarkation seems to begin at 12 or 1, does that then mean we should be there no later than 10:30-11? What happens if we get there by 12 or 1?
Thanks.
 
We are doing the doc dance here!! Not really a pretty site but it is happening! THe UPS guy was treed by our 2 bassett hounds so he left them in the mailbox.

Doug, Nancy and company, still dry down here, looks like early Oct as the tree leafs are changing colors.


See you soon.

Matty
 
TonyG, the only advantage to getting to the port early is being one of the first to board the ship. Last year I wanted to sleep in, let the kids swim at the Radisson and get to the port at 1pm, sign in and walk on board. At least that was my plan!!! The kids had other ideas!!! They wanted to be at the head of the line! So we went early and stood in line to board. (OK I was excited too!)
By all means take your time.It's not worth risking a migraine:eek:

Matty...the poor UPS man!!!Glad you got your docs!

Lisa, YES to all of your questions..TwinAve is my identical twin, my sister, and my good friend (well, ok, BEST friend). We are looking forward to meeting your twins!

Cathy, not sure what color hair we will have this year. What do you think Ave??? Champagne Blond?

Fiona...how nice of your client to send flowers!!!!A patient brought in a wonderful box of baked goods today, but since I tried on my formal gown, and discovered it's too tight, I am skipping the goodies for awhile:(
I hope you and Jim get/stay well:D

Tomorrow will be a very sad day:(
 
Thanks Rellingtwin (Mary) ;) -- it helps to know that.
I'd be like your kids: :bounce:I'd want to be there as soon as possible. For me, *I'll* have a migraine until we're actually aboard the ship! :p I wish we could get there earlier. But I know she'll be a little antsy, so we'll have to wait and see what happens that day.
We have tickets to the MNSSHP the night before, so we figured we'd sleep in a bit the morning of the cruise, have breakfast, then meander over - but I think the first day on the ship is going to be exciting enough - or placid enough - to not worry about how much sleep you got the night before.
I set a countdown clock at work and was thrilled to see it's now less than 30 days!
 

Thank you so much for everyone's well wishes. Chris and I are very excited. This was actually planned, but it's still exciting. It was weird filling out our paperwork, and saying that I'll be 10 weeks pregnant on the cruise. No alcohol, but like papa said, I can indulge in 2 desserts!!!

I can't wait to tell my family. With Emily, Chris and I were both a little cautious, so we didn't tell anyone until we were past 12 weeks. This time, I just couldn't keep it in. I know that things are still risky for the next few weeks, but we're just going to take each day as it comes. And, we just hope that we didn't jinx ourselves by telling everyone so soon. So, keep us in your thoughts!!!

tonyg - there are going to be a bunch of us a MNSSHP on the 10th. I know that we talked about having a mini-meet that night. Chris, Emily and I are even going to dress up for the party as Peter Pan, Wendy and Tinkerbell.

Well, I'm off to bed. One disadvantage to being pregnant in the early stages is that I'm just so tired all the time. :( :(
 
How sad that something like this can happen at the Happest place in the world... Our love goes out to the families...

Tragedy on Big Thunder
Continued coverage of Disneyland’s
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad accident
Updated 1:38 p.m. PDT Wednesday, September 10, 2003
Updates
Victim bled to death
September 10, 1:38 p.m.—According to the Orange County Coroner, the victim who died Friday in the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad accident bled to death. An Associated Press article reports the following:

A man killed last week on a Disneyland roller coaster bled to death after being struck in the chest by an unknown object, the coroner said Wednesday.

Marcelo Torres, 22, suffered “blunt force trauma” to the chest that fractured his ribs, leading to laceration of his lungs that caused “severe blood loss,” according to an Orange County coroner's statement.

There is no official reaction from Disneyland officials at this time, as they have yet to see the report.

Investigation progress
The Anaheim Police Department forensics team was at the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad over the weekend taking photos and measurements. The team expects their investigation to be completed first, because they are simply trying to rule out criminal intent. They expect to have a preliminary report in a few weeks.

The California Division of Occupational Safety and Health (Cal DOSH) is currently on the scene, as are Disney's investigators. With these organizations, there are three independents investigations going on at the attraction at this time.

Big Thunder Mountain layout
For those who have not ridden Big Thunder Mountain Railroad recently, it might be difficult to envision the various hills and turns in this ride. The following schematic, by “Er The Ic,” should help.


Layout of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. Reprinted by permission from Scott Wegener. For more Disneyland attraction layout drawings, visit his site at Scottware.com.au/theme.

Cynthia Harriss internal e-mail
The following internal corporate e-mail was sent by Disneyland Park President Cynthia Harriss to Disneyland cast members on the day of the accident [This was posted by a reliable cast member at WDWMagic.com]:

Big Thunder Mountain Railroad

Fellow Cast Members:

Today a terrible tragedy occurred at Big Thunder Mountain Railroad where approximately 10 people were injured and one fatally.

We are shocked and saddened by this heartbreaking incident. Safety is of the utmost importance for us at the Disneyland Resort, making today even more difficult. We have been cooperating with the Anaheim Fire Department, Anaheim Police Department and Division of Occupational Safety and Health in their investigation.

For those of you who may have been directly affected by this incident, we have made counselors immediately available to you. If you need to speak with someone, please call ___________ at (___) ___-____, tell them you are a Disneyland Resort Cast Member and you will get the care you need. We will also have counselors available on-site Saturday, September 6, at the Cast Health Center.

Many of you have asked how you can help. Today, I ask that you join me in extending your hearts and prayers to the individuals and families of those affected by this tragedy. The strength and compassion of this Cast has, and always will, lead us through difficult times.

Cynthia

Big Thunder Update from the September 8 Disneyland Park Update
Monday brings with it the continuation of the official investigation into what went wrong on Friday, causing an accident that injured 10 and killed one. As the rest of this week's update shows, despite the tragedy everything goes on at Disneyland. That is the case here at MousePlanet as well, as we continue our normal publishing schedule. We'll continue to update our coverage of Big Thunder as necessary, so be sure to check out that page for the latest information. In addition to our coverage, we hope to use it as a clearinghouse for all information known about the accident, so if you find any good information sources elsewhere on the Web, please let us know about them.


Big Thunder Trail is closed, and a construction fence stretches to the Mark Twain dock. The chain of wooden benches discourages park visitors from approaching the fence. Photo by Adrienne Vincent-Phoenix.

Among more petty concerns about the incident is that it takes yet another E-ticket attraction offline. The official determination of what when wrong will probably take weeks, and will most likely require more weeks after that to correct any issues found.

This means that for the rest of September, five E-ticket attractions (more than half) will be down park-wide, and three of the five on the west side will be offline (leaving only Indiana Jones and Pirates of the Caribbean). Three of Disneyland's trademark “four mountains” are out of commission, two of them indefinitely. While it seems gauche to think about such things so soon after such a terrible accident, you have to wonder how safety perceptions will combine with too many “closed” signs to affect attendence for the next couple of months. At this point, Haunted Mansion Holiday probably can't open soon enough for Cynthia Harriss and her bosses.


The Big Thunder Mountain station sits empty, while the investigation continues. Photo by Adrienne Vincent-Phoenix.

Rumors. As the weekend passed, no new official word was given on the cause of the accident, but information did begin to leak out from various sources. Often, they were very different and contradicted each other. The engine was found away from the train, the engine was found with the train; Marcelo Torres was found in his seat, he was found on the tracks; and so on. But the most common elements to the various versions was that the engine portion of the train somehow became separated from the main portion of the ride vehicle (perhaps due to an emergency stop—or e-stop—caused by something else), only to have the engine roll back and impact the stopped rear portion.

MousePlanet has not been able to get adequate confirmation of this to stand behind it, but did pursue technical information about the ride to see if it was feasible. Needless to say, those people most familiar with the current condition of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad are not easy to talk to right now. However, MousePlanet was able to confirm with a source familiar with the original version of the ride (opened in 1979) the following information, none of which would seem to contradict the above version of events.

The engine portion of the mine train serves no functional purpose, and Big Thunder could continue to operate even if this portion was removed.
The engine portion of the vehicle did not have its own anti-rollback devices. Unlike the passenger portion, the engine can roll backwards through stops specifically intended to stop such movement.
The engine portion did not have its own mechanisms for braking, meaning a loose engine could roll through the brake stops, even if an e-stop had been triggered.
It is very important to note that these were true when the ride opened 24 years ago; we have not been able to confirm whether any updates affecting these were made over the years.


The exit from Big Thunder Mountain, far right, is blocked off with yellow barrier tape. The folded patio umbrella provides shade for security guards stationed in the area. Photo by Adrienne Vincent-Phoenix.

Changes? Before we move on the regular portion of the update, there is one other issue we would like to throw out there and see if our readers can settle a point. It is known that at one time the Mark Twain spiel included reference to Big Thunder. As of today, however, this was not part of the spiel. The text was:

Those tracks off the port side lead to Big Thunder Mountain, site of the biggest gold strike in these parts. But in spite of these riches, that mine's been riddled with trouble and strange happenings for as long as I can remember.

But none of the MousePlanet staff members are confident that it was still there recently; it may have been removed quite a while ago. We'd like to hear from any reader with information on this.


Ordinarily, the outdoor dining area at Rancho del Zolaco restaurant in Frontierland has considerable natural light from the portaled adobe walls that separate it from the Big Thunder Mountain attraction. Although the eatery is now open, a new constuction wall now blocks the view of the ride. Photo by Adrienne Vincent-Phoenix.

Weekend Update
A temporary construction wall was erected on Saturday around Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. The Rancho del Zocalo restaurant in Frontierland, which was closed on Friday evening, is now open, as are the Golden Horseshoe Theater, Shooting Gallery and the stores in Frontierland.

On Friday evening, the original rope perimeter that Disneyland erected immediately after the accident on Friday was adjusted to allow the regularly scheduled performances of Fantasmic, a show conducted along the Rivers of America in Frontierland. The perimeter was pushed back to open the bottleneck area near the Pirates of the Caribbean, as well as the connecting walkway between Frontierland to the Central Plaza hub, past the Shooting Gallery.

The wall that has replaced the perimeter rope is a typical Disneyland construction wall, although it looks as if it was put up in a rush.

Big Thunder Trail is closed at the Fantasyland gate (except for the Big Thunder Ranch special event area). The construction wall extends to the Mark Twain dock.

Closed
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Big Thunder Trail, at the Fantasyland gate
Conestoga french fry cart
Open
Mark Twain dock (the riverboats are running)
Tom Sawyer Island
Canoes
Tom Sawyer Island rafts
Rancho del Zocalo
Rancho del Zocalo restrooms
Shooting Gallery
Golden Horseshoe Theater
Stores in Frontierland
All Frontierland entertainment, including Fantasmic and Laughing Stock.
Big Thunder suddenly went into suspended animation—while the version in Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom has already been down for a regularly scheduled rehab through November 22, Japanese newspaper giant Mainichi Shimbun (“The Daily Newspaper”) reports that Tokyo Disneyland officials have shut their own attraction down pending their own thorough safety inspections.

As of Monday morning, both the Paris and Tokyo attractions are open. The Florida version is still in regularly scheduled rehab.
 
Congrats to Chris, Amy, and Emily.

Colleen sent out the updated phone list, but has been having problems with the pc at home.

The in-laws are visiting for a week, so not much cruise preparation this week.

We booked through DVC, got our docs on monday or tuesday.

Will be remembering 9/11/01 today.




Don:smooth:
 
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9-11 and again sad news: An asassin killed Sweden's Secretary of State. She was attacked with a knife in a department store yesterday and died this morning :(
 
Very quiet in the office this morning. Hard to believe that's it's been two years. I remember that morning walking into work and the receptionist saying that a plane had hit the world trade center -- it took me a while to digest what she was saying. I called home and told my mother to turn on CNN which she did just as the second plane hit. It was awful. I called my brother who works in a big tower in downtown Toronto and he had to get off the phone because they evacuated all of the buildings. At that point they didn't know how many planes there were and there were a lot more planes flying around Toronto and some got diverted from the US.

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who lost something on 9/11.

Fiona
 
Thoughts and prayers to all those affected by the events two years ago. We will never forget.
I remember a site on one of the Dis related pages that had a very moving picture/music tribute set to the song "Only Time". I wonder if anyone knows if this site will be repeated today.
Eric, sorry about the sad news from Europe. Different countries, but one community. :(
Ave'
 
Thoughts and prayers to everyone from here also!! Hope everyone is having a peaceful day.


Lighter note.......I got a new van and will be driving it to Florida four weeks from today. I did buy another Fix Or Repair Daily :)
van. It is a 2003. I have never owned a new vehicle. This one had 40 miles on it when I drove it off the lot!

Take care today everyone!

Hope
 
Congratulations on the new van Hope.

Four weeks from now we should be arriving in Kissimmee for our day at the parks before the cruise.

Hope to see everyone soon. Mike
 
I got a slip in my mail box today saying I have a package to pick up from the post office! COULD IT BE????? Problem is I have ordered so many things on line lately it could be DH birthday gift, or the pins I ordered. I'll find out tomorrow!

Hope, I know what you mean about a "NEW" car. I have had ONE! A 1988 Nissian Sentra. It had 65 miles on it. Every other car I have had was used (sometimes VERY Used:p ) including the one I have now. I inherited my current car when my mom died. It was new when she bought it in 1993. She put only 3200 miles on it in the 5 years she had it, mostly because she was so ill for 3 of the years she had it.

Today has been so stange. I was doing ok until I went to the CNN website and looked at the pictures from 9/11 :(
My co-workers and I had a somewhat slow day which lead us to talk about the attack 2 years ago:( Then some wonderful news, a patient with a difficult pregnancy delivered a healthy baby boy.She had been "fighting off" pre-term labor for about 4 weeks and there was much concern the baby would be on a vent. However, all is well! An emotional "roller coaster" day.

Post 6000???? I plan on getting it if I can keep "sneaky" DIS'ers from swooping in and STEALING it from me!!! :p
 
6000!!! I'm certainly NOT trying for 6000!! I got such a hard time for "swiping" 5000. ;) ;) ;)
 
Hope, Congrats on your new van. I know it's a Ford, but is it a Windstar? What color is it?
Mary, I got a box of Loreal Preference #9 Natural Blonde. But I can get something else. It really doesn't matter if our hair color is the same or not. No one will be able to tell us apart anyway. LOL
Still working on my "to do" list. But I did manage to get my yellow t-shirts washed and dryed. I will try to find my iron tomorrow.:eek:
Just hit my 90 day period with my new job. The Doc didn't fire me, so I guess things are ok. LOL Of course we are currently looking for a new receptionist.
Why can't life be simple...work...sleep....cruise...no worries!
Later, Ave'
 
Since I'm faily new here y'all ought to let me get 6,000! ;)

Try not to get it before tomorrow morning since I'm going to bed now.
 
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