COVID super spreading family we know **Our friend has passed away**

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Some of us are expected to work which I can’t do now because I caught covid from someone. After being cautious since March, my whole family is affected. I had to get it from someone.

I am so so sorry to hear of your diagnosis

Yes you had to get it from somewhere although not necessarily that you were directly given it from one person. It's also equally possible if you got it from one person they had also been cautious since March. This virus has the potential for impact to us all unfortunately. The other poster isn't correct in saying "You can't catch Covid from someone who isn't around you." because this virus is an aerosoled one.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes, I agree; however, in general, shut downs are mainly based on the number of cases in that area. Of course, certain states (eg, Florida) don't care how many cases are in their states, but overall, if we have less cases, less hospitalizations, and more people follow the recommendations (eg, masks), then there will be more places allowed to go back to normal.

Restrictions, severe or not, depends entirely on an area. There is not one area in the world where we are all doing the same thing. Each place has their threshold.

As for getting back to normal, on paper and in theory you might think that but that isn't what is happening and hasn't been happening. Decisions to open this or open that, rules for this (including household bubbles) or that are not done by pure science. If only they were then you wouldn't have as much misinformation, confusion, and bending or outright breaking of the rules. Things typically have to make sense to people for compliance to occur if it's from people who aren't just rule followers for the sake of being rule followers. It's all well and good to say if we had less cases, less hospitalizations and more people following the rules but when places do have less cases, less hospitalizations and higher amount of people following the rules, regardless of them agreeing with them or not, and things still aren't adjusting frustration sets in, or when a bar is set so high there is no way to attain it frustration sets in or when things aren't done without other stuff getting in the way. And then what you usually have happen is people start blaming each other for the situation one is in and that may not even be appropriate at all depending on one's area and how things have been handled.

 

[NFLDERS]

Has anyone here ever thought that if one is scared, one can go hide rather than make the other person go hide?

If one is hiding from the virus, then what's the worry? Why is one around people who may not be masked? Why is it always the other person's responsibility for one's safety?

You can't catch Covid from someone who isn't around you. The way to keep people from being around you is for you to hide, not force all those others to hide from you.

Tell this^ to our over worked doctors, nurses, health care workers, para medics, firefighters, police ie.

 

[mrodgers]

Tell this^ to our over worked doctors, nurses, health care workers, para medics, firefighters, police ie.

Exactly, so the ones that are scared but keep piling into the stores should knock it off and then the doctors, nurses, health care workers, paramedics, firefighters, and police wouldn't be so overworked.

 

[mrodgers]

Your not safe enough to go to work, but you need to make a living, right? You don’t need to gather with your family, you are comparing apples and oranges.

Well then, safe enough to stand in line at Walmart and Lowes, but not safe enough to see your family. Safe enough for those telling us not to do something for them to do what they tell us is unsafe to do. Safe enough to gather together in a massive group for one agenda than it is for others to gather together in a massive group for another cause.

How much hypocrisy do we need?

 

[NFLDERS]

We are all grateful to essential workers that keep everything running to provide for the rest of the country. Based on reports, the majority of cases are from small family and friends gatherings. If we reduce those gatherings, the cases will go down, and things will open up faster. The problem is that people want it all, don't wear masks, keep seeing friends/family, want everything open up, and denying that anything is wrong until they get affected by it too. At that time, they show up in the news saying that they should have believed the reports!!!

In my thinking collectively ^ as a group if you will, ^ ARE the largest superspreaders.

 

[NFLDERS]

Exactly, so the ones that are scared but keep piling into the stores should knock it off and then the doctors, nurses, health care workers, paramedics, firefighters, and police wouldn't be so overworked.

 

[mjkacmom]

Well then, safe enough to stand in line at Walmart and Lowes, but not safe enough to see your family. Safe enough for those telling us not to do something for them to do what they tell us is unsafe to do. Safe enough to gather together in a massive group for one agenda than it is for others to gather together in a massive group for another cause.

How much hypocrisy do we need?

I personally don’t understand why people go into stores when they can order online, just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. However, the last chart I saw indicated the the majority of the spread is due to inside gathering with friends and family.

 

[fatmanatee]

If it’s safe enough for me to go to work then it’s safe enough for me to have a family gathering. I don’t subscribe to the bubble rules only apply if I’m at home. That’s great if you want to, though.

If you're going to be wearing masks for an indoor gathering, as you would for work, then I guess it's fine. But that's not what a lot of people do for indoor gatherings, including my aunt, who had been doing fine but got COVID on Thanksgiving.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I personally don’t understand why people go into stores when they can order online, just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. However, the last chart I saw indicated the the majority of the spread is due to inside gathering with friends and family.

Right now Walmart pick up is running 2 days out, sometimes nearly 3 days for grocery pick up. Right now for Walmart to get something delivered today in 2 hrs or less it would cost an additional $17.95 ($7.95 delivery plus $10 for the express). The next delivery option is Tuesday the 15th for 10am and is $9.95.

We actually do a lot of online order and pick up (just picked up today from Petsmart and Bed, Bath& Beyond) or delivery but it's not realistic for everything like when you need something now and can't wait the time to order it.

We also shop at places that don't do online ordering with curbside. Costco for instance it's $75 or more you need to spend for free delivery and $3.00+ for under that (and not all items are available for purchase online) but when we couldn't get paper towels or toilet paper in store but could order online we did that but it was more expensive than in store for the actual cost then add on the delivery fee. Costco does not do curbside pick up.

In general I would agree with you but there are just enough times that it's just not the most practical so hopping in the store with masks on for 10-15mins (sometimes more yes) ends up working out to be the better option in those cases.

 

[spiders]

If you're going to be wearing masks for an indoor gathering, as you would for work, then I guess it's fine. But that's not what a lot of people do for indoor gatherings, including my aunt, who had been doing fine but got COVID on Thanksgiving.

If work protocols were as safe as everyone claims then everyone who wasn’t pre-COVID working from home would be back at work.

 

[TwoMisfits]

Missing is that things that worked to slow the spread in hot, humid, sunny temps will not be working as well in cold, dry, and dark temps...viruses just live longer to spread in winter...it's why it's flu season.

 

[mjkacmom]

Right now Walmart pick up is running 2 days out, sometimes nearly 3 days for grocery pick up. Right now for Walmart to get something delivered today in 2 hrs or less it would cost an additional $17.95 ($7.95 delivery plus $10 for the express). The next delivery option is Tuesday the 15th for 10am and is $9.95.

We actually do a lot of online order and pick up (just picked up today from Petsmart and Bed, Bath& Beyond) or delivery but it's not realistic for everything like when you need something now and can't wait the time to order it.

We also shop at places that don't do online ordering with curbside. Costco for instance it's $75 or more you need to spend for free delivery and $3.00+ for under that (and not all items are available for purchase online) but when we couldn't get paper towels or toilet paper in store but could order online we did that but it was more expensive than in store for the actual cost then add on the delivery fee. Costco does not do curbside pick up.

In general I would agree with you but there are just enough times that it's just not the most practical so hopping in the store with masks on for 10-15mins (sometimes more yes) ends up working out to be the better option in those cases.

I literally haven’t entered a store since March, I’ve been ordering Shoprite online for 10 years. Sure, I’d run in for this and that, but not now. Shoprite, Kohl’s, target, instacart for Costco, Amazon - we are fine, just have to pre-plan, and I live in a neighborhood where everyone knows everyone, so if I need an onion or some baking powder, no problem (just helped someone else with some grated parm).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I literally haven’t entered a store since March, I’ve been ordering Shoprite online for 10 years. Sure, I’d run in for this and that, but not now. Shoprite, Kohl’s, target, instacart for Costco, Amazon - we are fine, just have to pre-plan, and I live in a neighborhood where everyone knows everyone, so if I need an onion or some baking powder, no problem (just helped someone else with some grated parm).

Okay but what part of my comment was saying anything about that? We don't use instacart but I have zero issues with people who do, we don't buy from Prime Pantry but I have zero issues with people who do, what does living in a neighborhood where you know everyone have to do with this? I'm pretty sure I could knock on the neighbor's door too and ask if he has some parm or just text him..because we do have each other's phone numbers and do text about things related to neighborly stuff.

But again what does this have to do with it not always being realistic? I feel like you want a pat on the back and forgive my abruptness for having successfully avoided going into a store since March and I think that's awesome that you have been able to accomplish that but that shouldn't even be a boasting point when all I was was bouncing off your comment of "I personally don’t understand why people go into stores when they can order online" I can give you reasons why people go into stores but I guess by your above comment it's not that you don't understand why people go into stores it's that you haven't so if others have it's a . I was not trying to open that can of worms by my comments.

Believe it or not not everywhere has instacart, curbside/pickup or delivery too and some people live in remote areas with no kindly amazing neighbors near them willing to give them a cup of sugar or even good delivery options (has no one been paying attention to people's stories?) and sometimes all the pre-planning in the world won't help but I think it's great that it has worked out solidly for you every time during this pandemic

 

[mefordis]

If anyone were actually serious about maintaining bubbles then you would stop ordering takeout, ordering 98% of what you order online, and learn how to fix things on your own.

I was just talking to someone about how ordering takeout is probably what is spreading this more than anything. I mean, does the virus live on surfaces for any length of time? Picture this: cook wears mask, but sneezes in it, coughs in it, fiddles with it, touches your food, puts it in a box, hands it to the window person who also has fiddled with their germ filled mask. Gross.

People get all bent when they see someone without a mask walking across the street then go order take out food made by a stranger in the back kitchen of a restaurant.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

(has no one been paying attention to people's stories?)

No because everyone just assumes everyone has the same things as they do and lives exactly how they do. Lot of us do that we just forget people aren't living the same lives we are and have the same things we do.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I'm sorry to hear about your family

 

[Heigh-Ho]

If it’s safe enough for me to go to work then it’s safe enough for me to have a family gathering. I don’t subscribe to the bubble rules only apply if I’m at home. That’s great if you want to, though.

If you were masked up at work and masked up during a family gathering and those in your family were also masked up it would at least be more comparable not completely (if you spent a long time with your family especially indoors). I'm with you on a lot of things but not being masked, indoors for a long time with people also not masked up, and working masked up aren't the same thing.

 

[mefordis]

Has anyone here ever thought that if one is scared, one can go hide rather than make the other person go hide?

If one is hiding from the virus, then what's the worry? Why is one around people who may not be masked? Why is it always the other person's responsibility for one's safety?

You can't catch Covid from someone who isn't around you. The way to keep people from being around you is for you to hide, not force all those others to hide from you.

Everyone needs to hide. If it's not possible to hide, for whatever reason, everyone needs to be masked and 6 ft apart.

 

[mefordis]

I personally don’t understand why people go into stores when they can order online, just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. However, the last chart I saw indicated the the majority of the spread is due to inside gathering with friends and family.

So, going from house to house? Or do they get it at a store then spread it at the gathering?