Considering canceling August trip following FL handling of Trayvon Martin murder.

[Navychica]

One less person in line for TSMM? OK!

If it upsets you that badly, don't go. There are several businesses I don't go to because I dislike what political groups they give money to. To cancel a whole trip over this seems a bit absurd though.

 

[robinb]

I'll be sure to let my son ~ who lives in *gasp* Orlando ~ know that he is considered a thug and a gangbanger. He'll get a kick out of that

*sigh* Yes, that is EXACTLY what I said. EVERYONE who lives in Orlando and the surrounding are is a gangbanger and a thug. Even this guy:

I wonder why Mickey's not wearing a hoodie ...

 

[eliza61]

Your stance with Arizona is totally different than what people have posted here.

Your line in the sand is over an immigration policy that is specific to one state. It isn't over a policy that has been in existence for years, tried in courtrooms throughout America, and is found in 31 states. I always get a kick out of people who are appalled at something that has been around for a long time but they were oblivious for years and now they are suddenly up in arms. Kony anyone?

You took a stance. More power to you and I honestly applaud your actions. I think the OP'er stand is totally different than yours but if she wants to skip WDW, I say go for it and I have made that clear from the beginning. I think it is silly but that is just me.

My issues are with those who haven't taken a stance at all but have chosen to make this thread about the scary USA, Orlando, or Detroit. They breath a sigh of relief when they return home but they keep coming back! Again, what is their stance exactly? Where is their line in the sand? Bad mouth the USA, put on rose colored glasses while you are in Orlando, rip Detroit up and down, but, hey, keep on visiting?????

To quote you:
Sorry, I am a firm believer nothing effects change quicker than saying "I'm not spending my money there".

I couldn't agree with you more but the last few USA and Orlando bashers haven't done that. Instead, they have blasted two places they continue to visit. I'm sorry, but I take exception to that.

gotcha. I didn't read the entire thread so I picked up on the last bit.

But I do think any time is a good time to change. I didn't know about Kony until recently. I didn't know about the pink slime they put in beef until ABC world news tonight did a expose on it. I posted a thread and a few folks pointed out that the practice was old. Should I say "oh well since they have been doing it for 20 years it's ok"? Nope. I let my grocery store know how I feel about pink slime and why I won't buy the product anymore. Next thing you know ABC does an update saying millions of folks feel the same way and that the company producing pink slime is now losing money. Got no problem with that, so even though we were late to the game, we are changing the game. And no I do not feel bad for the company going out of business, that's emotional economic blackmail.

I didn't know about KONY either, doesn't mean I can't do some thing about it now that I know. I can.

I'm a total rabble rouser. I liked the idea of the tea party and the Occupy wall street folks. not because I liked their views but because they actually protested some thing.

I'm a dvc member, if you would have told me 10 years ago that I would ever think Disney would slip this much in quality I would have said you were high. So I understand how hard it is to put your money where your mouth is. This year is the first year in almost 10 years we're skipping the world altogether, we discussed possibly selling our membership. that's major for us. so much of my memories of happy family vacations are tied to disney. very hard to let that go.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

Why would you make such a statement when all the facts about the case are not even known?

People really need to learn to do research and not believe all they hear from journalist or activist.

 

[djm99]

I too think that the state of Florida did a terrible job handling this case, but I wouldn't miss out on a wonderful trip to WDW. How they are handling the arrest of Zimmerman is a perfect example. If Zimmerman is innocent a jury will find him not guilty. I am watching RIGHT NOW the just released police video of Zimmerman getting out of the Police car on the NIGHT of the murder. UMMMMM no bloody nose (no blood on his shirt) and the back of his head looks….. ummm okay no blood, or gash in his head. He has a nearly bald head (VERY low hair cut so you can see his scalp clearly) He turns around SEVERAL times too. Nothing. Zimmerman is VERY calm – casual even. The Police look at the back of his head but seems to think it is okay. MSNBC is playing this video over and over again.

 

[EMom]

*sigh* Yes, that is EXACTLY what I said. EVERYONE who lives in Orlando and the surrounding are is a gangbanger and a thug. Even this guy:

I wonder why Mickey's not wearing a hoodie ...

Won't fit over his big old ears.

Wait, that excuse won't work. DD has an ET from Universal and it wears a hoodie.

 

[Planogirl]

Won't fit over his big old ears.

Wait, that excuse won't work. DD has an ET from Universal and it wears a hoodie.

ET didn't have big ears when he wore his hoodie. That is one big head to fit over however.

 

[EMom]

ET didn't have big ears when he wore his hoodie. That is one big head to fit over however.

That's what I meant. A lot of "stuff" to cram inside a hoodie. I'd put ET's big old noggin up against Micky's ears any day.

 

[starlionblue]

Unless you are going to the town it happened, why would you blame an entire state? Has nothing bad ever happened in NY? I can think of plenty instances off the top of my head where mistakes were made. I agree with the PP, you are just hurting yourself.

I agree that the poster is being very foolish blaming an entire STATE for the actions of one person. I guess by that crazy reasoning, I should avoid going to New York because I'm afraid the police will beat me up.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I like reading threads like this for the same reason why I used to like watching the Jerry Springer show.

 

[cm8]

*sigh* Yes, that is EXACTLY what I said. EVERYONE who lives in Orlando and the surrounding are is a gangbanger and a thug. Even this guy:

I wonder why Mickey's not wearing a hoodie ...

Because he's "Thug ed" out

 

[LuvinLucifer]

I hear the North Pole has a pretty good record when it comes to social cohesion. They don't have a Le Cellier Steakhouse though, so the rest of us lemmings will just have to live with our guilty conscience.

 

[snarlingcoyote]

I too think that the state of Florida did a terrible job handling this case, but I wouldn't miss out on a wonderful trip to WDW. How they are handling the arrest of Zimmerman is a perfect example. If Zimmerman is innocent a jury will find him not guilty. I am watching RIGHT NOW the just released police video of Zimmerman getting out of the Police car on the NIGHT of the murder. UMMMMM no bloody nose (no blood on his shirt) and the back of his head looks….. ummm okay no blood, or gash in his head. He has a nearly bald head (VERY low hair cut so you can see his scalp clearly) He turns around SEVERAL times too. Nothing. Zimmerman is VERY calm – casual even. The Police look at the back of his head but seems to think it is okay. MSNBC is playing this video over and over again.

Hmmmmm. . .

The more I think about this case and the varying testimonies and Zimmerman's statement, I keep coming up with a theory.

We have Zimmerman, who is paranoid, packs a gun, and sees thugs and burglars around every corner.

We have Treyvon, who isn't a straight A honor student and has made a few boneheaded, typical teenager trying to be tough moves, but hasn't ruined his life yet, and may well grow up to be an okay person. (Like many of us who did a few boneheaded things in our youths!)

Treyvon is sauntering around the neighborhood with his skittles and iced tea. Who knows, he might have even been casing the place. Zimmerman sees him, goes into full on paranoid Dirty Harry mode.

At some point, Zimmerman confronts Treyvon. Treyvon is not an adult, he's a kid. Kids that age, by definition, don't have all their wiring, especially the planning and threat assessment wiring, in place. So Treyvon panics. He IS a kid, after all, and it's possible he was planning out something illegal, which makes HIM more scared (after getting suspended 10 days, if he did anything else wrong, his life probably wouldn't be worth living), and he feels really threatened, like this crazy guy might kill him. He's terrified, absolutely terrified. So he defends himself, probably more than he needs to, but that's kids in general, because he thinks if he doesn't he'll be killed, or something REALLY BAD will happen.

Zimmerman had all these fantasies built up about how he'd be the big hero and subdue the bad guys, but now he's got this strong young man attacking him BACK and Zimmerman's now scared. The kid is going for broke.

Zimmerman realizes he's out of his depth, he's scared now. He pulls his gun and shoots Treyvon.

The police come, find out the kid isn't squeaky clean, people heard a scuffle and saw a scuffle. Zimmerman's a property owner, an older guy. The kid's a teenager with a history. They decide to take the easy road.

And so a kid is dead because of a paranoid blank blank blank. What a world.

That's my theory, anyway.

 

[dakcp2001]

I agree, you totally need to cancel your trip. That is obviously the most logical choice.

 

[sbell111]

Hmmmmm. . .

The more I think about this case and the varying testimonies and Zimmerman's statement, I keep coming up with a theory.

We have Zimmerman, who is paranoid, packs a gun, and sees thugs and burglars around every corner.

We have Treyvon, who isn't a straight A honor student and has made a few boneheaded, typical teenager trying to be tough moves, but hasn't ruined his life yet, and may well grow up to be an okay person. (Like many of us who did a few boneheaded things in our youths!)

Treyvon is sauntering around the neighborhood with his skittles and iced tea. Who knows, he might have even been casing the place. Zimmerman sees him, goes into full on paranoid Dirty Harry mode.

At some point, Zimmerman confronts Treyvon. Treyvon is not an adult, he's a kid. Kids that age, by definition, don't have all their wiring, especially the planning and threat assessment wiring, in place. So Treyvon panics. He IS a kid, after all, and it's possible he was planning out something illegal, which makes HIM more scared (after getting suspended 10 days, if he did anything else wrong, his life probably wouldn't be worth living), and he feels really threatened, like this crazy guy might kill him. He's terrified, absolutely terrified. So he defends himself, probably more than he needs to, but that's kids in general, because he thinks if he doesn't he'll be killed, or something REALLY BAD will happen.

Zimmerman had all these fantasies built up about how he'd be the big hero and subdue the bad guys, but now he's got this strong young man attacking him BACK and Zimmerman's now scared. The kid is going for broke.

Zimmerman realizes he's out of his depth, he's scared now. He pulls his gun and shoots Treyvon.

The police come, find out the kid isn't squeaky clean, people heard a scuffle and saw a scuffle. Zimmerman's a property owner, an older guy. The kid's a teenager with a history. They decide to take the easy road.

And so a kid is dead because of a paranoid blank blank blank. What a world.

That's my theory, anyway.

We really shouldn't be discussing this after the other thread was shut down like it was. That being said, I am struck by your theory in that it supports an argument of self defense.

 

[snarlingcoyote]

We really shouldn't be discussing this after the other thread was shut down like it was. That being said, I am struck by your theory in that it supports an argument of self defense.

It supports a charge of murder IMO.

 

[luvmy3]

OP, considering the recent revelations, if you do decide to go I'd definitely stay away from Sanford. With its vigilante neighborhood watchman, and either the most gullible, unintelligent, or the most corrupt Police force, you don't want to find yourself the victim of any crime while visiting.

 

[bellanotte10]

I like reading threads like this for the same reason why I used to like watching the Jerry Springer show.

its also helping me study for my criminal justice finals.... oh man... the laws and stories I could tell you... don't get me started on places you shouldn't go to because of stupid laws or stupid things cops have done..

 

[Art 1]

OP, considering the recent revelations, if you do decide to go I'd definitely stay away from Sanford. With its vigilante neighborhood watchman, and either the most gullible, unintelligent, or the most corrupt Police force, you don't want to find yourself the victim of any crime while visiting.

There is a nice small area of restaurants but a good part of Sanford is shut down businesses, crack dealers, drug addicts and prostitutes. Not really worth visiting, especially at night.

 

[djm99]

Hmmmmm. . .

The more I think about this case and the varying testimonies and Zimmerman's statement, I keep coming up with a theory.

We have Zimmerman, who is paranoid, packs a gun, and sees thugs and burglars around every corner.

We have Treyvon, who isn't a straight A honor student and has made a few boneheaded, typical teenager trying to be tough moves, but hasn't ruined his life yet, and may well grow up to be an okay person. (Like many of us who did a few boneheaded things in our youths!)

Treyvon is sauntering around the neighborhood with his skittles and iced tea. Who knows, he might have even been casing the place. Zimmerman sees him, goes into full on paranoid Dirty Harry mode.

At some point, Zimmerman confronts Treyvon. Treyvon is not an adult, he's a kid. Kids that age, by definition, don't have all their wiring, especially the planning and threat assessment wiring, in place. So Treyvon panics. He IS a kid, after all, and it's possible he was planning out something illegal, which makes HIM more scared (after getting suspended 10 days, if he did anything else wrong, his life probably wouldn't be worth living), and he feels really threatened, like this crazy guy might kill him. He's terrified, absolutely terrified. So he defends himself, probably more than he needs to, but that's kids in general, because he thinks if he doesn't he'll be killed, or something REALLY BAD will happen.

Zimmerman had all these fantasies built up about how he'd be the big hero and subdue the bad guys, but now he's got this strong young man attacking him BACK and Zimmerman's now scared. The kid is going for broke.

Zimmerman realizes he's out of his depth, he's scared now. He pulls his gun and shoots Treyvon.

The police come, find out the kid isn't squeaky clean, people heard a scuffle and saw a scuffle. Zimmerman's a property owner, an older guy. The kid's a teenager with a history. They decide to take the easy road.

And so a kid is dead because of a paranoid blank blank blank. What a world.

That's my theory, anyway.

I don't want to have this thread closed but this theory doesn't make sense. It only supports your theory that somehow this kid caused his own death - and Zimmerman was defending himself. You can't be the aggressor than scream self defense. Zimmerman brought a gun to a skittles and tea fight.