Conservative Thread: We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once

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Since I posted my own issue the other night with the new road treatment plan in our community (http://www.yournorwin.com/norwinstar/article/north-huntingdon-alter-road-salt-use) I thought I should update. We had another snowfall last night! It's beautiful - really, but my husband was working when the snow came so he was one of the people "inconvenienced" by the snow. He could not get home, so he ultimately ditched the car and walked a few remaining miles to our house. He did what he does best, and with help from me, we crafted a letter to our township officials responsible for the new road treatment plan. Not that it will do anything...but at least we've said our piece.

Anyone care to guess which lines are mine?;)

Gentlemen:

I am writing this morning to inquire who among you owns a four-wheel-drive vehicle, and who I should call to pick me up in the wee hours of the morning the next time I am unable to traverse North Huntingdon’s treacherous roads. Have you created a rotation, or is someone simply on call? Does Rich Albert mind his phone ringing at 3 a.m., and will you dispatch him personally the next time my wife or I cannot make it home? Or do you have another suggestion?

As you can tell by the timestamp of this e-mail, it’s now shortly after 3:30 a.m. I have just enjoyed a 45-minute walk from the parking lot of Gongaware and Parry’s garden center to my home in Kerber Farm Estates. Indeed, I am one of the residents of the township that appears to have been “inconvenienced” by Mr. Albert’s “cost-saving measure” to reduce the clearing and salting of the township’s byways this winter. Robbins Station Road was barely passable to the area of Gongaware’s. Two attempts to continue through the “Y” on Robbins Station were failures due to the lousy conditions of the roads; an attempt to make it home via Ridge Road failed miserably, too. Instead, I decided to park the car at Gongaware’s and “hoof it” home. This comes after finding the Parkway East and Route 30 – state roads, I know – relatively passable. I am now considering keeping a set of snowshoes or cross-country skis in the trunk for the remainder of the season.

Unfortunately, I am not among “the majority of people [who] are home by 9 p.m.” I work in Downtown Pittsburgh as an editor at the Post-Gazette, and my schedule often requires that I am on duty until well after midnight – not unlike the countless employees of the township’s fast-food restaurants, convenience stores, and, during the holiday season, its department stores. I’m sure that the good people of the township may also enjoy a late movie, a high school play, a Penguins game or a late dinner at the Waterfront. To suggest that the world shuts down after 9 o’clock is, quite simply, archaic and absurd. It harkens back to the day when this township was the farming community that it no longer is.

And, unfortunately, my financial condition does not permit the ownership of TWO four-wheel-drive vehicles, as Mr. Albert, according to press reports, suggests will mitigate the problems that the salt and plowing cutbacks will cause this winter. We do own one 4-wheel-drive Jeep Grand Cherokee, which my wife, with our two daughters, took this evening to a function, fearing that the roads would be impassable and that our children might be at risk. That left me stuck with our front-wheel-drive, 2006 Honda Civic … a very popular small sedan, that I’m sure many North Huntingdon residents may find to be similar to their sole means of transport.

Now, I can understand that perhaps the conditions this evening prevented optimal road treatment. I can forgive and overlook one incident. However, this evening’s fine experience (it was delightful walking through the snow and communing with the deer at this early hour) follows an experience my wife had in the early hours Sunday morning, when she was returning from doing some Christmas-preparation work at our church. Luckily, she had the Jeep and was able, with great care and much, much fish-tailing, to make it home despite the slick, unsalted roads of the township. Nevertheless, as she pointed out, even a four-wheel-drive vehicle becomes incredibly difficult to bring to a stop on untreated roadways. In four years of living in North Huntingdon, we have driven on many snowy nights, and neither of us has ever experienced the horrendous conditions of this morning or of early Sunday morning.

Simply put, I am no fan of higher taxes and wasteful government, and I understand that fiscal conditions are tight and that salt prices have skyrocketed. But ensuring the public safety is one of the chief responsibilities of a community’s elected officials. God forbid a resident of the township suffers a heart attack and an ambulance is unable to make it up Robbins Station Road, or a fire alarm goes off and a fire truck cannot make it to the burning home on Ridge Road. That would make my experience tonight, well, like a walk in the snow.

I encourage you to reconsider this bone-headed cost-saving measure.

Respectfully yours,
 
Oh , now I've done it. I wandered away from the safety of this thread and got involved with one of the religious threads. I should have known better-but I just couldn't sit on my hands! Now I'm trying to defend Christmas as the birthday of Jesus! It's sad that anyone should ever even have to do that, but it seems that even here people have an issue with it. Disney certainly doesn't-they don't hide the real reason for Christmas!!
 
I thought of that too-but DH put a stop to that pretty quick. His concern was that we wouldn't be able to control where that baby ended up. We wouldn't be able to be sure that the child would be raised by good, God fearing people and even though the egg wouldn't be a baby yet-we still have a responsibility to God regarding what happens to it. After I thought about it a bit, I knew he was right. All kinds of people go to those egg banks, and once you donate you have no control.

We also went back to our original message that God had put us in this situation for a reason, and to use science to circumvent it in anyway would be a sign that we didn't trust His plan-even if the baby didn't end up with us.

I think it takes a lot of love and courage to offer such a gift. I'm not sure that I could be so selfless.

I'm going to discuss this with my DH, DFIL, and DMIL, all pastors. I'll do it if the consensus is that God wouldn't have a problem with it but I'm not so sure. :confused3

So anyway, we decided to fly to CA instead of drive. We were looking forward to the roadtrip but DIL's were concerned about road conditions and time.
 
Thanks. They have a good support group (of which we are part I am glad to say).

Perhaps we should consider posting some more cat-mongering Sarah Palin photos.......purely as a way to heal......and render our opponents ridiculous!

(been stockpilin' and waiting for the right time to unleash them!)


;)

:hyper: popcorn::

Hey guys...:goodvibes Just popping in to say HELLO! Hope all of your Christmas shopping is going well! :santa: I've been super busy and haven't had much time for the board these days - but I miss you guys!

:wave:

Hiya!

Been a while.

This thread really moves nowadays......

I sometimes feel like Bilbo Baggins at his going-away party, giving his speech......(with a slight twist)

"I don't know half of you as well as I should like and I LIKE more than half of you half as much as you deserve" haha


Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

:)

Hmmmmm......:scratchin *scratches head and wonders which half she belongs in*

:laughing:

Hoping for the best outcome. You are in our thoughts and prayers.

I know this is hard to deal with at any time, yet even moreso around the holidays. Remember, you get to be there for them in their time of need. Time is a gift from G_d. Use it. :)


In a good hearted kind of "share the misery" way......

We have very close family friends who have been trying for years to have a child of their own (they have 2 adopted children). They finally were successful through in-vitro fertilization this year. They were due to have twins in March 09. Unfortunately, they lost the babies last night due to complications.

Sorry for steering the thread negative, but it felt good to say this out loud.

:hug: :sad1: :hug:

I'm going to discuss this with my DH, DFIL, and DMIL, all pastors. I'll do it if the consensus is that God wouldn't have a problem with it but I'm not so sure. :confused3
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:hug: Hoping someone can help steer you in the direction God wants you to go. I'm sure you've already prayed on it. Hoping you get an answer. :hug:


SD & Mrsdon - prayers said and will continue. :hug:

Oh, and I read the thread backwards all the time.
 

I have looked into donating eggs for childless couples...I have a couple hundred thousand that will just go to waste so someone might as well use them.
(I've also offered to surrogate for my DSIL with PCOS if she needs it.)

Anyway, DH and I were talking about this yesterday and he asked me if there were any spiritual implications in doing so. He said they'd essentially be my kids running around out there. Anyone have any opinions?
I said that I didn't think God would mind too much as I'm not going to use them and right now, they're unfertilized eggs so they're not children. I also said they used surrogates (handmaids) in the Bible.
I also should tell him that when someone adopts the child becomes the child of adopted parents. So if a couple uses my eggs that will be their child.
I don't want to do anything that's going to go against what the Bible or God might think of this.

Hope you don't mind me posting this but I can share a perspective on this.

Dh is a high risk OB/GYN and he has run into this just a few times in his practice. Sometimes it works out just fine but sometimes it is problematic.

For example, he had a patient that agree to carry a pregnancy for her sister, got implanted with her sisters 5 eggs, all "took". The patient who was the surrogate did not want to carry all 5 as that would put her health at risk but the sister she was having them for was in total disagreement. Until the patient had the babies, she had full rights to make all the medical decisions regardless of what her sister wanted. The patient decided on elective reduction to 2. The sister was enraged and angry at everyone involved (patient, Patient's dh, all the doc's involved etc.) and let it be known.

Then at around 18 weeks the patient went into premature labor and was hospitalized for several weeks, being away from her own children and family. Again the patient was the only one legally able to make medical decisions and Dh and his partners could not even discuss these decisions with the sister legally. The patient became very sick with many complications. After she was stabilized and past the date of viability, the Docs decided to let her go home on bedrest. The sister again was very angry and wanted the patient to stay in the hospital, just in case.

After about 3 weeks at home, the patient went into labor again and this time the labor could not be stopped as the patient had preeclamsia. She delivered the babies at 29 weeks. Both of the babies ended up with many medical problems due to their early birth. At this point, documents were signed and the sister became the legal parent who carried the legal rights for the babies and also the cost for their medical care in the ICU. Up till now the patients medical insurance was covering the cost.

In the end, the sister ended up blaming the patient for everything, claiming that she caused the health problems for the babies because she was careless and that she should reimburse them for all the money they had to pay out. She sued the patient. The family all ended up taking sides and now the patient and one brother are talking and the other brother and both parents took the side of the sister. This ended up in a huge legal mess and the family was fractured irrevocably.This was a family that was very, very close before this all happened.

I am not telling this to scare you off the idea as many times it turns out fine. I just want you to know that there are sooooooo many things to consider before anyone decides to do this. Not least of all whether it is right with God. Think long and hard before you decide to do this and work out ALL the angles ahead of time, including getting a lawyer involved. Make sure that ALL in the family are on the same page and that all the logistics are worked out far in advance.

BTW the patient was not allowed to see her nieces after her sister became the legal parent.

As to the mess that is Chicago Politics, can I just say that anyone with any kind of deductive reasoning saw this one coming a mile off and the fall out could be spectacular. I am just going to sit back and see what develops but I will not be surprised no matter which way this swings. After all you are dealing with the most consumate politicians out there. Daley is a genius(evil genius) when it comes to CYA politics and the rest just follow along. Chicago at its finest.
 
Wow-and that's when the eggs go to a family member! We never thought about family members, we were more concerned about the fact that once the eggs go to the donating center we would never know who the parents would be and how the baby would be raised.

It is a serious decision-and we did a LOT of praying about it and we also consulted with our Pastor.
 
Since I posted my own issue the other night with the new road treatment plan in our community (http://www.yournorwin.com/norwinstar/article/north-huntingdon-alter-road-salt-use) I thought I should update. We had another snowfall last night! It's beautiful - really, but my husband was working when the snow came so he was one of the people "inconvenienced" by the snow. He could not get home, so he ultimately ditched the car and walked a few remaining miles to our house. He did what he does best, and with help from me, we crafted a letter to our township officials responsible for the new road treatment plan. Not that it will do anything...but at least we've said our piece.

Anyone care to guess which lines are mine?;)
Good letter, but I don't know which ones were yours. :)

Oh , now I've done it. I wandered away from the safety of this thread and got involved with one of the religious threads. I should have known better-but I just couldn't sit on my hands! Now I'm trying to defend Christmas as the birthday of Jesus! It's sad that anyone should ever even have to do that, but it seems that even here people have an issue with it. Disney certainly doesn't-they don't hide the real reason for Christmas!!
Sigh. Stay in here. It's safe here.

Hope you don't mind me posting this but I can share a perspective on this.

Dh is a high risk OB/GYN and he has run into this just a few times in his practice. Sometimes it works out just fine but sometimes it is problematic.

For example, he had a patient that agree to carry a pregnancy for her sister, got implanted with her sisters 5 eggs, all "took". The patient who was the surrogate did not want to carry all 5 as that would put her health at risk but the sister she was having them for was in total disagreement. Until the patient had the babies, she had full rights to make all the medical decisions regardless of what her sister wanted. The patient decided on elective reduction to 2. The sister was enraged and angry at everyone involved (patient, Patient's dh, all the doc's involved etc.) and let it be known.

Then at around 18 weeks the patient went into premature labor and was hospitalized for several weeks, being away from her own children and family. Again the patient was the only one legally able to make medical decisions and Dh and his partners could not even discuss these decisions with the sister legally. The patient became very sick with many complications. After she was stabilized and past the date of viability, the Docs decided to let her go home on bedrest. The sister again was very angry and wanted the patient to stay in the hospital, just in case.

After about 3 weeks at home, the patient went into labor again and this time the labor could not be stopped as the patient had preeclamsia. She delivered the babies at 29 weeks. Both of the babies ended up with many medical problems due to their early birth. At this point, documents were signed and the sister became the legal parent who carried the legal rights for the babies and also the cost for their medical care in the ICU. Up till now the patients medical insurance was covering the cost.

In the end, the sister ended up blaming the patient for everything, claiming that she caused the health problems for the babies because she was careless and that she should reimburse them for all the money they had to pay out. She sued the patient. The family all ended up taking sides and now the patient and one brother are talking and the other brother and both parents took the side of the sister. This ended up in a huge legal mess and the family was fractured irrevocably.This was a family that was very, very close before this all happened.

I am not telling this to scare you off the idea as many times it turns out fine. I just want you to know that there are sooooooo many things to consider before anyone decides to do this. Not least of all whether it is right with God. Think long and hard before you decide to do this and work out ALL the angles ahead of time, including getting a lawyer involved. Make sure that ALL in the family are on the same page and that all the logistics are worked out far in advance.

BTW the patient was not allowed to see her nieces after her sister became the legal parent.

As to the mess that is Chicago Politics, can I just say that anyone with any kind of deductive reasoning saw this one coming a mile off and the fall out could be spectacular. I am just going to sit back and see what develops but I will not be surprised no matter which way this swings. After all you are dealing with the most consumate politicians out there. Daley is a genius(evil genius) when it comes to CYA politics and the rest just follow along. Chicago at its finest.
What a sad, sad story.
 
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:hug: Hoping someone can help steer you in the direction God wants you to go. I'm sure you've already prayed on it. Hoping you get an answer. :hug:
I hope so, too. I have prayed about it and I've felt no go ahead but neither have I felt a stirring not to do so. So we'll just have to see.
I keep thinking about how in the Bible they used handmaidens and concubines to give the (primary) wife children when she was unable to have them. I don't think any of them were ever punished for doing so. :confused3
I know what it's like to want a child. It took us awhile to conceive our first and we lost her at 10 weeks gestation. We then took a break of 6 months and started trying again.
I "knew" when I'd get pregnant because God told me. In a dream, not audibly. :lmao: I would just like to give someone the chance to have a child; generally when someone does egg donors that's their last chance.

I'm too anal (or perhaps OCD? :rolleyes1 ) to read the thread backwards. :rotfl:

political-pictures-blagojevich-politics.jpg


And a funny:
political-pictures-benedict-santa.jpg
 
I hope so, too. I have prayed about it and I've felt no go ahead but neither have I felt a stirring not to do so. So we'll just have to see.
I keep thinking about how in the Bible they used handmaidens and concubines to give the (primary) wife children when she was unable to have them. I don't think any of them were ever punished for doing so. :confused3
I know what it's like to want a child. It took us awhile to conceive our first and we lost her at 10 weeks gestation. We then took a break of 6 months and started trying again.
I "knew" when I'd get pregnant because God told me. In a dream, not audibly. :lmao: I would just like to give someone the chance to have a child; generally when someone does egg donors that's their last chance.

I'm too anal (or perhaps OCD? :rolleyes1 ) to read the thread backwards. :rotfl:

political-pictures-blagojevich-politics.jpg


And a funny:
political-pictures-benedict-santa.jpg

yeah, but when they did it in the Bible there was a guarantee that the parents would be raising the child right. These days...heaven only knows who would raise that baby! :scared1:
 
Since I posted my own issue the other night with the new road treatment plan in our community (http://www.yournorwin.com/norwinstar/article/north-huntingdon-alter-road-salt-use) I thought I should update. We had another snowfall last night! It's beautiful - really, but my husband was working when the snow came so he was one of the people "inconvenienced" by the snow. He could not get home, so he ultimately ditched the car and walked a few remaining miles to our house. He did what he does best, and with help from me, we crafted a letter to our township officials responsible for the new road treatment plan. Not that it will do anything...but at least we've said our piece.

Anyone care to guess which lines are mine?;)

Ummm, the snarky ones? :rotfl2: :hug: I hope they reconsider. Dumb way to save money. Good letter, btw.

So anyway, we decided to fly to CA instead of drive. We were looking forward to the roadtrip but DIL's were concerned about road conditions and time.

Sounds like a good plan. We're flying next month too, same reasons. We usually drive, but this time around every day counts more to us because it's my husband's leave time and we don't want to spend two days of it getting back home. Or more, depending on the mountains. Three or four hours sounds a lot better. :thumbsup2
 
Hope you don't mind me posting this but I can share a perspective on this.
Also something to consider. That's such a sad story.

Wow-and that's when the eggs go to a family member! We never thought about family members, we were more concerned about the fact that once the eggs go to the donating center we would never know who the parents would be and how the baby would be raised.

It is a serious decision-and we did a LOT of praying about it and we also consulted with our Pastor.
Yeah, that's what I'm going to do.

yeah, but when they did it in the Bible there was a guarantee that the parents would be raising the child right. These days...heaven only knows who would raise that baby! :scared1:
I know. That's something that concerns me. I don't want the child being raised by God-less people.
If I could stipulate the kind of people I wanted that would make it easier but I think most are anonymous.
Lot of praying to do. And it's not like I don't have time to think it over. :goodvibes I would just like to help someone have a child, you know?
 
Oh , now I've done it. I wandered away from the safety of this thread and got involved with one of the religious threads. I should have known better-but I just couldn't sit on my hands! Now I'm trying to defend Christmas as the birthday of Jesus! It's sad that anyone should ever even have to do that, but it seems that even here people have an issue with it. Disney certainly doesn't-they don't hide the real reason for Christmas!!

I wanted to give you some moral support! You're doing great work over on that thread! I wish I had the courage that you do to say what you said to those people. I read some of the things they say and it makes me just want to walk away from the computer in anger. Good for you for fighting the good fight!
 
I wanted to give you some moral support! You're doing great work over on that thread! I wish I had the courage that you do to say what you said to those people. I read some of the things they say and it makes me just want to walk away from the computer in anger. Good for you for fighting the good fight!

Well, it's a lot easier to do on the internet than in person. :) I didn't think I was attacking anyone personally, just defending Jesus.

I just get so sick of it all-oh, everything is ok as long as you're not hurting anyone. What about hurting GOD??? Shouldn't we be concerned that our action or inaction is offensive to Him? Our Pastor says that we need to remind people, especially at this time of year-that their choices to embrace greed and selfishness instead of God's will is going to have consequences. It makes me sad when someone rejects the Truth, but I'm not going to be mean to them. Gotta keep that door open in case God speaks to them and they have a change of heart.
 
Well, it's a lot easier to do on the internet than in person. :) I didn't think I was attacking anyone personally, just defending Jesus.

I just get so sick of it all-oh, everything is ok as long as you're not hurting anyone. What about hurting GOD??? Shouldn't we be concerned that our action or inaction is offensive to Him? Our Pastor says that we need to remind people, especially at this time of year-that their choices to embrace greed and selfishness instead of God's will is going to have consequences. It makes me sad when someone rejects the Truth, but I'm not going to be mean to them. Gotta keep that door open in case God speaks to them and they have a change of heart.

EXACTLY.

It IS tough to ignore some of the things people say concerning Christianity on these boards. Seems everyone is preaching to be "tolerant" but they have zero tolerance when it comes to Christians. We are just evil in their minds...but then again the Bible does say that believers will be persecuted for their faith, and there are many many instances on this board where that is clearly the case.:hug:
 

Have you heard Rush's description of Blago looking like a cabbage-patch doll?! That and Barney Frank's new title of "Banking Queen" have had me in stitches all week!

And a funny:
political-pictures-benedict-santa.jpg

Actually, santa is not a bad title for il papa, especially this one!

I do have a funny story about His Holiness that is related to the upcoming Third Sunday of Advent. In a news story a few years ago (from a Catholic media agency which will remain nameless out of sheer embarrassment), Benedict was named as one of the top 10 environmental activists in the world (he is not, btw. He compared the environmental agenda with liberation theology of the thugs in Latin America). According to the article, he gave a global warming message at a rally in Loreto and even wore a green vestment for the occasion. In actuality, he gave a social justice message at a youth rally in Loreto where he mentioned we need to be careful that our concern for the environment does not have an adverse effect on the impoverished. He wore a green chasuble because it was during Ordinary Time and the liturgical color was green.

The joke is that, when I read this, I asked a priest what the said news agency will say about the pope on Gaudete Sunday (Third Sunday of Advent), the only day of the year when the liturgy calls for wearing rose (pink, but if you call it that most priests except for Fr. Phleger will take offense)!
 
EXACTLY.

It IS tough to ignore some of the things people say concerning Christianity on these boards. Seems everyone is preaching to be "tolerant" but they have zero tolerance when it comes to Christians. We are just evil in their minds...but then again the Bible does say that believers will be persecuted for their faith, and there are many many instances on this board where that is clearly the case.:hug:

Of course, you know I went back there and looked again. I don't understand why they get so defensive, I mean-I'm just telling them about me. Now I went and posted my whole story there. Pastor says never to hold back if you think that even one person might be brought closer to Christ from hearing your story. Now, I have no illusions that some of those folks will have their hearts softened, but maybe someone that is a lurker like I was will see it.
 
My mother had a miscarriage not long after I was born. She doesn't discuss it much but I know it bothers her even nearly twenty years later. Yet what I don't understand about her is she's pro-choice. :sad2: It took her eight years to finally have me after she got married and yet she's for abortions.... it just makes me ill.

My mother suffered a similar situation and does not talk about it to this day. I just want to offer my sympathy to everyone here that has gone through the tragedy of losing a baby. I know not all of our theologies agree, but as a Catholic I pray for my departed sibling every day. C.S. Lewis said that we do not pray to change God, but to have ourselves changed. I have found remembering my sibling to be healing and that it is important not to stop loving that member of my family, who is a person even though I never had the opportunity of getting to know him/her. I know that the Communion of Saints means someday I will get to know him/her!

Soarin08 - we ought to start a support group for young conservatives of non-conservative parents! I cannot stomach calling mine "liberal," for they are at least faithful Christians (not godless) and pro-life (my father, a prominent public figure in central Florida, is constantly criticized by the media for being a pro-life Democrat). Nevertheless, THEY LOVE JIMMY CARTER! :headache:
 
Of course, you know I went back there and looked again. I don't understand why they get so defensive, I mean-I'm just telling them about me. Now I went and posted my whole story there. Pastor says never to hold back if you think that even one person might be brought closer to Christ from hearing your story. Now, I have no illusions that some of those folks will have their hearts softened, but maybe someone that is a lurker like I was will see it.

be glad you were still in lurkdom during the political campaigns. They made every attempt to "crucify" anyone with faith-based beliefs regarding our country as nothing but hate-mongers...ironically most of the "hate" was originating from the people calling others on it.

It must be interesting to see the world from such a strange perspective as many on the left do. I can't even begin to wrap my head around how it is even possible to appear sane and have a liberal viewpoint at the same time.

Even my 10 yr old gets it. I didn't have to explain anything to her. She listened to some of the speeches being given during the campaign, watched 2 of the debates, and by the second one she was yelling at the TV about how ignorant our media was! I love my smart daughter. :rotfl:
 
Even my 10 yr old gets it. I didn't have to explain anything to her. She listened to some of the speeches being given during the campaign, watched 2 of the debates, and by the second one she was yelling at the TV about how ignorant our media was! I love my smart daughter. :rotfl:
:thumbsup2

My mother suffered a similar situation and does not talk about it to this day. I just want to offer my sympathy to everyone here that has gone through the tragedy of losing a baby. I know not all of our theologies agree, but as a Catholic I pray for my departed sibling every day. C.S. Lewis said that we do not pray to change God, but to have ourselves changed. I have found remembering my sibling to be healing and that it is important not to stop loving that member of my family, who is a person even though I never had the opportunity of getting to know him/her. I know that the Communion of Saints means someday I will get to know him/her!
I know that someday we will get to meet our first baby and my child(ren) will get to meet their sibling.
For right now, I just know that she's better off than I've ever been. :angel:
 
be glad you were still in lurkdom during the political campaigns. They made every attempt to "crucify" anyone with faith-based beliefs regarding our country as nothing but hate-mongers...ironically most of the "hate" was originating from the people calling others on it.

It must be interesting to see the world from such a strange perspective as many on the left do. I can't even begin to wrap my head around how it is even possible to appear sane and have a liberal viewpoint at the same time.

Even my 10 yr old gets it. I didn't have to explain anything to her. She listened to some of the speeches being given during the campaign, watched 2 of the debates, and by the second one she was yelling at the TV about how ignorant our media was! I love my smart daughter. :rotfl:

Oh, I read it. It was pretty scary stuff which is why I waited until AFTER it was over to show DH!! :lmao:

Now, we were Huckabee people so we weren't as happy with McCain but we did like Sarah.
 
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