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Well I guess I am raising my son right. We had a parent teacher conference tonight, so we decided to hit the Scholastic book before we met with the teacher.

He went right by all three books on Obama, including one that had a title something like "YES WE CAN! President Obama Speaks to The Children. A collection of excerpts from his speeches.":scared:

So what did he buy instead?

A book called "Who Was Walt Disney". :cool1:

Like I said, I think I am rasing him right!!!!!

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And I should care about this why...? I don't recall seeing when Pres. Bush took his first flight on AF1. :rolleyes:

Got Dis--Noticed but they don't seem to. I didn't hear what Cheney said yesterday.
I did think about it, though, when I was watching Fox and hussein and pelosi were doing their fear-mongering thing about jobs and depression and crap. :rolleyes:
They screamed about Buuuuuush and his evil "fear-mongering"; except his talking about the terrorists...from that there really is a threat.

There are an estimated 303,824,640 people in the US. Pelosi said 5 million are losing jobs everyday. 25% are under the age of 16, and that leaves 227,868,480. I think about 13% are over the age of 65 and that leaves 198,245,578.
I didn't bother to factor in the unemployed, so just leaving it at that guesstimate, according to Pelosi with her 5,000,000 losing jobs everyday the whole country will be out of work in 39 days.

:) That's not fear-mongering?

That's some seriously good math goin' on there...and, for that, :worship: :worship: :worship:

any chance of you becoming Speaker of the House, or something??!?!?!?

You know, the older I get, the more I am grateful for the fact that I'm a pessimist! Always expect and prepare for the worst, and then be delightfully and pleasantly surprised if things go right, or at least a little bit better. After every single nurse and doctor saying my mom did not need chemo, the chemo doctor says today "Well, I'm on the fence. The tumor was small, slow growing, non-aggressive, and hadn't spread. But test results show it was hormonally-caused, and something hormone-connected in your bloodwork we took today made me wonder more about this. So, I could either give you pills or pills and chemo. I'm not sure. So, I'm ordering a $3,000 test be done on the tumor that won't be back for 3 weeks." Nurse talks to her later and says it should've been set up last week. It wasn't, naturally, and they couldn't send it for further testing until she gave them all kinds of financial information because insurance probably won't cover it because it's not absolutely necessary. I don't understand this! Her surgeon had the same results, and he said she needed pills. He's the top cancer doctor in the state. Everyone else agreed with him. But Mr. Chemo, who had said he didn't think she'd need anything from him, now says: "Well, I'm on the fence." None of this is to treat her now; it's all preventative for down the road.

Radiation was supposed to start in a couple weeks, and now she probably won't even be told whether she needs chemo until the beginning of March. He said if he decides she does, it'll last 3 or 4 months and then be followed by the radiation. So now, unless the results come back in 2 weeks, and she doesn't need chemo (which I'm sure he'll say she needs, why not, everything else goes wrong it seems), and she starts radiation right then, our WDW trip is DOA. I was so excited about that, because I thought all this would be over and we would celebrate. Now either we won't go at all this year or we can't go until May, and one of us will have to spend our birthday down there. I did that last year, don't care to do it again. Although at this point the WDW trip is the least of my worries. I'm so worried she'll have to get chemo, and I'm worried more because she'll have to tell my grandmother. I don't know if she can handle this news. She has dangerously high blood pressure and a lot of other health problems, and I know she'd be in danger of having a stroke once she found all this out.

I keep bursting into tears, I'm so frustrated I want to throw something, and I just don't know what I'm supposed to do about the Disney trip that has to be paid off before she gets the test results. I don't know if they'd allow it to be modified due to the circumstances or what. I need to start applying for jobs again because they toss my applications after a year, and I don't even know how I'm supposed to do that, dealing with all this. Or if I could even accept a full-time job in the positions I'd apply for, because she might need someone to take care of her. I'm at my rope's end. The anniversary of my grandfather's death is this weekend too, and I'm just really, really sad right now. I really need prayers. :sad:

:grouphug: :grouphug: It does seem like everything happens at the same time, doesn't it!

Now, who is this Dr Chemo guy? Is he your second opinion person? Is there a way to discuss this with someone else, like the original cancer specialist? Or even another doctor? If someone is test-crazy, perhaps someone else should verify the need for additional tests, right?

What does your dad say? How is he doing by the way?

About the trip and applications, what is your time table for both? Do you have to notify WDW five days beforehand for cancellation before you lose any money?

And the applications - when are they due? If not anytime soon, then you can shelve that til later - when you're a little more calm. If now, then perhaps you can do them in sections so they're not so overwhelming.

SD, I know this is rough - I think for an only child ['cause I'm one, too], you feel so responsible for your loved ones. But I hate that you have this weight of worry on your shoulders...I hope you can share the burden with your dad or some good friends [like us!].

How is your grandmother? Maybe, to get both of your minds off of this sad news and sad anniversary, the two of you [or your parents as well] could plan something together. You're so good at that sort of thing.

Keep venting -- and we'll keep praying...your mom sounds like one tough cookie - she's not gonna let Dr Chemo get her down. :)

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Off topic....

I'm watching Hell's Kitchen. I hate this show, but I must watch it every week. It's like a train wreck. I hate the way Ramsey treats his chefs, but I love watching him.

I think I need serious help.

Okay, back to our regular posting.

I like him, too but not that show. I'd hate for any of those 'chefs' to cook for me! I do like his shows on BBC America - he turns restaurants around and makes a lot of sense with the advice he gives [in between all the bleeps].

Very interesting, indeed. I think Obama love is like teen love: It burns hot…for awhile…and then it sputters out, ends badly, and you just want him to transfer out of your English class so you don't have to look at him anymore cuz you can't believe you ever liked that jerk. :rotfl:

Great analogy...and the problem with that type of love is that you spend all your money and go in debt to buy a whole new wardrobe, get a **** job, re-do your hair, put 'I love Barack' tattoos all over your body - BEFORE you find out he's a jerk. After you find out, all you've got are some hoochie-mama clothes and an appointment with the tattoo-removal place.

We'll paying that 'I love Barack' credit card bill for generations....:sad2:
 

Oh, I forgot to tell you guys- I wanted to croak today at work. I was cleaning some tables and this lady walks up me and says, "I'm not sure if I tell you this or not, but a kid just threw up over there." So I look where she's gesturing and :scared1: :crazy2: :scared: :faint:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a mess!!!! Lucky for me Mousekeeping rushed in to clean it up. It took about ten minutes for Mousekeeping to gather their sanitizing gear and arrive so I had to smell vomit for that long. Ohhhhh....... ughhhhh.....

And speaking of vomit, hey Breezy- you down for the count yet?? Or still a-okay?

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:grouphug: :grouphug: It does seem like everything happens at the same time, doesn't it!

Now, who is this Dr Chemo guy? Is he your second opinion person? Is there a way to discuss this with someone else, like the original cancer specialist? Or even another doctor? If someone is test-crazy, perhaps someone else should verify the need for additional tests, right?

What does your dad say? How is he doing by the way?

About the trip and applications, what is your time table for both? Do you have to notify WDW five days beforehand for cancellation before you lose any money?

And the applications - when are they due? If not anytime soon, then you can shelve that til later - when you're a little more calm. If now, then perhaps you can do them in sections so they're not so overwhelming.

SD, I know this is rough - I think for an only child ['cause I'm one, too], you feel so responsible for your loved ones. But I hate that you have this weight of worry on your shoulders...I hope you can share the burden with your dad or some good friends [like us!].

How is your grandmother? Maybe, to get both of your minds off of this sad news and sad anniversary, the two of you [or your parents as well] could plan something together. You're so good at that sort of thing.

Keep venting -- and we'll keep praying...your mom sounds like one tough cookie - she's not gonna let Dr Chemo get her down. :)

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

The guy I call Mr. Chemo is the Chemo doctor. My mom has 4-5 doctors at the moment, thanks to all this. The cancer specialist and surgeon is the main one. But, he doesn't have final say on treatment plans, only surgery and major tests. The Chemo man and the radiation doctor have the final say. Mr. Chemo said today whatever he says takes precedent over the radiation doctor, because if chemo is needed it has to be given first. I actually told my mom if he says she needs chemo, she might want a second opinion since the surgeon read the same results and said she needs pills. All the other doctors said she would probably need pills. When this all started, they gave her books and books of stuff and told her don't even read the chemo parts because it didn't apply to her. She's a Level 1, Stage 1. It doesn't make sense that she would need chemo. It just doesn't.

My dad is okay. He went in for his extra tests this week. He did get a second opinion, and she said the glucose numbers had changed enough that it was indicative of diabetes, and that's why the other doctor is testing so much more. I don't understand why they would change like that, and not even that much, that fast.

I talked to my grandmother yesterday, she seems okay. She has no idea at all that my mom was diagnosed with cancer, or that she's had two surgeries, or anything. That's what I meant by if she needs chemo, she'll have to tell my grandmother and I don't think she could handle that. By tell her, I mean tell her everything. I know it sounds odd not to tell her, but we all (me, and my parents) agreed it was a bad idea to tell her. When my grandfather was passing away, her blood pressure went so high that she passed out and was slurring her words and weak on one side for a while after. She refused to go to the doctor then, so we can only assume that she had a slight stroke. When you think of high blood pressure in general, that's not my grandmother. Think more of "Sky high through the roof blood pressure that's barely controlled by medicine." It's not a good situation, at all.

The applications don't have set due dates, but I wanted to get them in before the job fairs, but they refuse to announce their job fair dates. They should've been announced last month, but they still haven't been. The entire WDW bill has to be paid in full by March 5th, I believe. After that point, you can't alter the package at all without getting slapped with I think a $200 fee. I think you can only cancel it no later than 15 days out, but I'm not sure. The one time we book a package (because of the 4 for 7 deal), all this happens. That figures. I just don't know what to do. I don't know if we should cancel it now and book a May trip and hope she doesn't need chemo, and then cancel it if she does, or leave it as is and hope for the best. As it is now, if she needs Chemo, that'll go on into August, followed by 6 weeks of radiation. Which means this entire miserable experience will have lasted upwards of 10 months before all is said and done.

The only good thing about today for me is that fact that the cancer was caused by hormones, and not that cancer gene. At least that takes some worry off of my mind for my own health. Although, knowing the way things have gone, he'll probably turn around and say it is genetic after all, and then I can worry myself sick over my own health. I hate doctors, I hate testing, and I hate illness. I wish none of this had to happen to anyone. It just makes me so mad when I see good people like my mom dealing with this, and at the same time I see hateful people driven by evil (like a certain relative of mine...) live well into their late 80s and keep trucking along (and making people's lives miserable) with few health problems. I've always felt we're not supposed to question God, but at times like this I really wish I understood His reasons for keeping some people healthy and some not.
 
Well I guess I am raising my son right. We had a parent teacher conference tonight, so we decided to hit the Scholastic book before we met with the teacher.

He went right by all three books on Obama, including one that had a title something like "YES WE CAN! President Obama Speaks to The Children. A collection of excerpts from his speeches.":scared:

So what did he buy instead?

A book called "Who Was Walt Disney". :cool1:

Like I said, I think I am rasing him right!!!!!

congratulations! smart boy.
 
Evening guys!

Did Pres O actually use the word catastrophe? If it is supposed to scare me all it did was make me :rolleyes: How old is he again?
 
congratulations! smart boy.

Sometimes I think that he is 8 going on 30 because he just seems to get complex things. He was really into this election and figuring out how it all worked. We were watching an early Democratic debate and he told me that he doesn't like Obama. So I asked him why and he told me...."He is lying Dad". Of course I knew Obama was a snake but was amazed that my son picked up on the lies and was able to point some of them out to me. I guess listening to Glenn Beck must be making him a critical thinker.

:)
 
Warning! :sad: This girl was 23 weeks pregnant.

Baby born alive at abortion clinic and left to die
Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.

Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure.

Only Renelique didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.

What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

Police recovered the decomposing remains in a cardboard box a week later after getting anonymous tips.

"I don't care what your politics are, what your morals are, this should not be happening in our community," said Tom Pennekamp, a Miami attorney representing Williams in her lawsuit against Renelique (ren-uh-LEEK') and the clinic owners.

The state Board of Medicine is to hear Renelique's case in Tampa on Friday and determine whether to strip his license. The state attorney's homicide division is investigating, though no charges have been filed. Terry Chavez, a spokeswoman with the Miami-Dade County State Attorney's Office, said this week that prosecutors were nearing a decision.

Renelique's attorney, Joseph Harrison, called the allegations at best "misguided and incomplete" in an e-mail to The Associated Press. He didn't provide details.

The case has riled the anti-abortion community, which contends the clinic's actions constitute murder.

"The baby was just treated as a piece of garbage," said Tom Brejcha, president of The Thomas More Society, a law firm that is also representing Williams. "People all over the country are just aghast."

Even those who support abortion rights are concerned about the allegations.

"It really disturbed me," said Joanne Sterner, president of the Broward County chapter of the National Organization for Women, after reviewing the administrative complaint against Renelique. "I know that there are clinics out there like this. And I hope that we can keep (women) from going to these types of clinics."

According to state records, Renelique received his medical training at the State University of Haiti. In 1991, he completed a four-year residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Interfaith Medical Center in New York.

New York records show that Renelique has made at least five medical malpractice payments in the past decade, the circumstances of which were not detailed in the filings.

Several attempts to reach Renelique were unsuccessful. Some of his office numbers were disconnected, no home number could be found and he did not return messages left with his attorney.

Williams struggled with the decision to have an abortion, Pennekamp said. She declined an interview request made through him.

She concluded she didn't have the resources or maturity to raise a child, he said, and went to the Miramar Women's Center on July 17, 2006. Sonograms indicated she was 23 weeks pregnant, according to the Department of Health. She met Renelique at a second clinic two days later.

Renelique gave Williams laminaria, a drug that dilates the cervix, and prescribed three other medications, according to the administrative complaint filed by the Health Department. She was told to go to yet another clinic, A Gyn Diagnostic Center in Hialeah, where the procedure would be performed the next day, on July 20, 2006.

Williams arrived in the morning and was given more medication.

The Department of Health account continues as follows: Just before noon she began to feel ill. The clinic contacted Renelique. Two hours later, he still hadn't shown up. Williams went into labor and delivered the baby.

"She came face to face with a human being," Pennekamp said. "And that changed everything."

The complaint says one of the clinic owners, Belkis Gonzalez came in and cut the umbilical cord with scissors, then placed the baby in a plastic bag, and the bag in a trash can.

Williams' lawsuit offers a cruder account: She says Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby's umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing her to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.

No working telephone number could be found for Gonzalez, and an attorney who has represented the clinic in the past did not return a message.

At 23 weeks, an otherwise healthy fetus would have a slim but legitimate chance of survival. Quadruplets born at 23 weeks last year at The Nebraska Medical Center survived.

An autopsy determined Williams' baby - she named her Shanice - had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health. The cause of death was listed as extreme prematurity.

The Department of Health believes Renelique committed malpractice by failing to ensure that licensed personnel would be present when Williams was there, among other missteps.

The department wants the Board of Medicine, a separate agency, to permanently revoke Renelique's license, among other penalties. His license is currently restricted, permitting him to only perform abortions when another licensed physician is present and can review his medical records.

Should prosecutors file murder charges, they'd have to prove the baby was born alive, said Robert Batey, a professor of criminal law at Stetson University College of Law in Gulfport. The defense might contend that the child would have died anyway, but most courts would not allow that argument, he said.

"Hastening the death of an individual who is terminally ill is still considered causing the death of that individual," Batey said. "And I think a court would rule similarly in this type of case."
 
Sometimes I think that he is 8 going on 30 because he just seems to get complex things. He was really into this election and figuring out how it all worked. We were watching an early Democratic debate and he told me that he doesn't like Obama. So I asked him why and he told me...."He is lying Dad". Of course I knew Obama was a snake but was amazed that my son picked up on the lies and was able to point some of them out to me. I guess listening to Glenn Beck must be making him a critical thinker.

:)

It is amazing how children are so insightful. Congratulations on such a special boy!
 
The guy I call Mr. Chemo is the Chemo doctor. My mom has 4-5 doctors at the moment, thanks to all this. The cancer specialist and surgeon is the main one. But, he doesn't have final say on treatment plans, only surgery and major tests. The Chemo man and the radiation doctor have the final say. Mr. Chemo said today whatever he says takes precedent over the radiation doctor, because if chemo is needed it has to be given first. I actually told my mom if he says she needs chemo, she might want a second opinion since the surgeon read the same results and said she needs pills. All the other doctors said she would probably need pills. When this all started, they gave her books and books of stuff and told her don't even read the chemo parts because it didn't apply to her. She's a Level 1, Stage 1. It doesn't make sense that she would need chemo. It just doesn't.

I'm sorry for everything you guys are going through SD. I've read your post several times to make sure I understand what you are saying. I know you don't want your mom to have to have chemo, and I understand you are feeling confused because the majority of the other doctors said she wouldn't need chemo, but they are not oncologists, right? If the oncologist is recommending chemo for a valid reason, such as the cancer being caused by hormones, and there is any chance that the cancer could reestablish itself later on down the line because it is hormone driven, then I would take the chemo.

It sounds like you guys need to go back and talk to the oncologist again, and have him explain again why he feels the need for chemo. He may be basing his decision on the rate of reoccurance. I would ask him point blank if this type of cancer has a high recurrance rate, and if it being hormone driven has anything to do with that. I know you don't want to hear me say that it doesn't matter what every other nurse or doctor told your mom regarding not needing chemo, but they are not the doctors who deal with treating cancer patients day in and day out. I am sure the oncologist would not recommend chemo if he didn't feel the benefits outweighed the risks.

Try to take a deep breath, and only focus on one day at a time. If it were me I'd put the Disney trip on hold for awhile until you have a more clear idea of what the treatment plan is. It really sounds like you guys need to absorb all this a little bit more, and then go back to the oncologist for more questions and answers.

I know how overwhelming this all is as I went through the same thing with my dad and I was totally upset over his treatment plan, and his physicians. I felt they treated my dad like a number and not a person. As an RN I've seen it way too often. You and your family must take control of the situation and not be afraid to ask questions, voice concerns, and make yourselves heard.:grouphug:
 
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