Conservative Thread: U.S. Steele - Back In Business

[Family Fun Mom]

It looks like the original story about the Dobson students critical of Obama is back up with this little "explanation" as a side note...

To our readers: Due to a technical error, this story was temporarily removed from our Web site. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Now there is a link to the "revised" version, as a totally different story, next to this story. Technical error? More like public outing and scramble to fix it before their bias was provable.

It scares the hell out of me that this is happening. If it weren't for people like Rush, Glenn, Sean, Drudge, and the good people of this board, I'd never even know about these things. The average person sitting at home watching American Idol and Katie Couric doesn't have a chance at knowing even a shred of the truth behind BO and his real agenda. And he's counting on that.

 

[DancingBear]

Excuuuuse me. The Secret Service "visited" and "walked through" a private citizen's home and "interviewed" him for 30 minutes on the basis of his Constitutionally protected and non-violent expression of political opposition to the president and because of his pro-life views. That the fascists were "polite" while intimidating this man and harassing his family is no comfort to me at all. The federal government now has a file on this private citizen, no doubt, and he can likely expect more harassment from agencies under President Obama's control (such as the IRS). I'm sure the Castro regime is capable of "professionalism" at times, too, but toward what aims, exactly?

The Secret Service got a report of a possible threat from a police department and checked it out. The man permitted them to walk through his house. And you're comparing that to Castro's secret police? And you're making a tremendous leap to say President Obama is going to use the IRS and such to get this guy? Wow. You must be confusing him with Nixon.

The wrong here was by a single local police officer, who was clearly out of line. The Secret Service did nothing but their job.

 

[wonderlanne]

The Secret Service got a report of a possible threat from a police department and checked it out. The man permitted them to walk through his house. And you're comparing that to Castro's secret police? And you're making a tremendous leap to say President Obama is going to use the IRS and such to get this guy? Wow. You must be confusing him with Nixon.

The wrong here was by a single local police officer, who was clearly out of line. The Secret Service did nothing but their job.

over a sign! over a sign that was NOT a threat to the life of the (stupid excuse for a) president! THAT is the point.

for crying out loud...if that's all it takes, about 95% of california residents should be expecting a visit from the secret service! ('cause the bush stickers haven't been removed and you should SEE what they say!) you were right the first time when you referred to them as the SS.

 

[Humphrey Bear]

It looks like the original story about the Dobson students critical of Obama is back up with this little "explanation" as a side note...



Now there is a link to the "revised" version, as a totally different story, next to this story. Technical error? More like public outing and scramble to fix it before their bias was provable.

It scares the hell out of me that this is happening. If it weren't for people like Rush, Glenn, Sean, Drudge, and the good people of this board, I'd never even know about these things. The average person sitting at home watching American Idol and Katie Couric doesn't have a chance at knowing even a shred of the truth behind BO and his real agenda. And he's counting on that.

Yeah it creeped me out how that happened. I wouldn't have known they switched articles but I had saved a copy of the original one. Funny how it is always the articles that are critical of BO that disappear. If incidents like this were really accidents, they would happen equally on both sides. This is why the fairness doctrine scares me since it will silence the voices of people like Rush, Glenn and Sean. I even heard this week that they are going to look into Conservatives on the internet too. Really scary stuff.

 

[Tink & Goofy]

for crying out loud...if that's all it takes, about 95% of california residents should be expecting a visit from the secret service! ('cause the bush stickers haven't been removed and you should SEE what they say!)

Same here. We see a lot of nasty stickers on the Left coast.

 

[Geoff_M]

The Secret Service got a report of a possible threat from a police department and checked it out. The man permitted them to walk through his house. And you're comparing that to Castro's secret police? And you're making a tremendous leap to say President Obama is going to use the IRS and such to get this guy? Wow. You must be confusing him with Nixon.

The wrong here was by a single local police officer, who was clearly out of line. The Secret Service did nothing but their job.

I don't think that the SS's actions were politically motivated, but at the same time I find it hard to believe that they don't have any discretion about what reports they follow-up on. If the details of the nature of the "threat" were passed on, I'm not sure on what basis they would deem them worth investigating.

As for the links regarding supposed similar actions during the Bush administration, I didn't find those "threats" to be of the same nature as what this guy stands accused of. If the guy had, as the links you provided allude to, written "Kill the President", or he had been heard opening talking (even if in jest) about carrying out such a deed, or suggested that the President be impaled, or produced artwork depicting such things, then you'd have a comparison.

As as for the IRS, I think "Clinton" was the name you were searching for.

 

["Got Disney"]

I have read all the posts from today and just want to say that I agree with everything all of you have had to say....this was easier than quoting all of your posts

I think I'm turning Republican and I only have the DEMS to thank for that Obama wanted me to unite so I did....I united just fine with conservatives...no problem.....and you are all a pleasure to be around

and the foods great here also

 

[basas]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";30410297]I have read all the posts from today and just want to say that I agree with everything all of you have had to say....this was easier than quoting all of your posts

I think I'm turning Republican and I only have the DEMS to thank for that Obama wanted me to unite so I did....I united just fine with conservatives...no problem.....and you are all a pleasure to be around

and the foods great here also [/QUOTE]

 

[basas]

<<WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's Justice Department sided with the former Bush administration on Friday, saying detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

In a two-sentence court filing, department lawyers said the Obama administration agreed that detainees at Bagram Air Base cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detentions. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

"The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Air Base. "We all expected better."

In midyear last year, the Supreme Court gave al-Qaida and Taliban suspects held at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the right to challenge their detention. With about 600 detainees at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and thousands more held in Iraq, courts are grappling with whether they, too, can sue to be released.

Three months after the Supreme Court's ruling on Guantanamo Bay, four Afghan citizens being detained at Bagram tried to challenge their detentions in U.S. District Court in Washington. Court filings alleged that the U.S. military had held them without charges, repeatedly interrogating them without any means to contact an attorney. Their petition was filed for them by relatives since they had no way of getting access to the legal system.

The military has determined that all the detainees at Bagram are "enemy combatants." The Bush administration said in a response to the petition last year that the enemy combatant status of the Bagram detainees is reviewed every six months, taking into consideration classified intelligence and testimony from those involved in their capture and interrogation.

After Obama took office, a federal judge in Washington gave the new administration a month to decide whether it wanted to stand by Bush's legal argument. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd says the filing speaks for itself.

"They've now embraced the Bush policy that you can create prisons outside the law," said Jonathan Hafetz, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who has represented several detainees.

The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo Bay because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held as part of a continuing military action. The government argues that releasing enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.

The government also said that if the Bagram detainees had access to the courts, it would allow all foreigners captured by the United States in conflicts worldwide to do the same.

It Is not the first time that the Obama administration has used a Bush administration legal argument after promising to review it. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder announced a review of every court case in which the Bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege, a separate legal tool it used to have lawsuits thrown out rather than reveal secrets.

The same day, however, civil division attorney Douglas Letter cited that privilege in asking an appeals court to uphold dismissal of a lawsuit accusing a Boeing Co. subsidiary of illegally helping the CIA fly suspected terrorists to allied foreign nations that tortured them.

Letter said that Obama officials approved his argument.




http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/20/obama-administration-affirms-bush-policy-detainee-rights/



I fully expect we'll start seing the libs on the boards calling for Obama's impeachment...not.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";30410297]I have read all the posts from today and just want to say that I agree with everything all of you have had to say....this was easier than quoting all of your posts

I think I'm turning Republican and I only have the DEMS to thank for that Obama wanted me to unite so I did....I united just fine with conservatives...no problem.....and you are all a pleasure to be around

and the foods great here also [/QUOTE]


Woot!

 

[Sherwin]

I fully expect we'll start seing the libs on the boards calling for Obama's impeachment...not.

Where was the justice dept. when he released the terrorists from Gitmo?

 

[Tink & Goofy]

<<WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's Justice Department sided with the former Bush administration on Friday, saying detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

In a two-sentence court filing, department lawyers said the Obama administration agreed that detainees at Bagram Air Base cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detentions. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

"The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Air Base. "We all expected better."

I say good for him. I'm glad he realized they don't get our civil rights when they're not Americans and won't be using our tax money to clog up our judicial system.
And to the 'human rights attorney' who used hope twice in one sentence, I say boo friggin' hoo.

 

[Family Fun Mom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";30410297]I have read all the posts from today and just want to say that I agree with everything all of you have had to say....this was easier than quoting all of your posts

I think I'm turning Republican and I only have the DEMS to thank for that Obama wanted me to unite so I did....I united just fine with conservatives...no problem.....and you are all a pleasure to be around

and the foods great here also [/QUOTE]

We welcome you to our club!!! I'm sure everyone will agree when I say we're happy to have you.

 

[Family Fun Mom]

<<WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's Justice Department sided with the former Bush administration on Friday, saying detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

In a two-sentence court filing, department lawyers said the Obama administration agreed that detainees at Bagram Air Base cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detentions. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

"The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Air Base. "We all expected better."

In midyear last year, the Supreme Court gave al-Qaida and Taliban suspects held at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the right to challenge their detention. With about 600 detainees at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and thousands more held in Iraq, courts are grappling with whether they, too, can sue to be released.

Three months after the Supreme Court's ruling on Guantanamo Bay, four Afghan citizens being detained at Bagram tried to challenge their detentions in U.S. District Court in Washington. Court filings alleged that the U.S. military had held them without charges, repeatedly interrogating them without any means to contact an attorney. Their petition was filed for them by relatives since they had no way of getting access to the legal system.

The military has determined that all the detainees at Bagram are "enemy combatants." The Bush administration said in a response to the petition last year that the enemy combatant status of the Bagram detainees is reviewed every six months, taking into consideration classified intelligence and testimony from those involved in their capture and interrogation.

After Obama took office, a federal judge in Washington gave the new administration a month to decide whether it wanted to stand by Bush's legal argument. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd says the filing speaks for itself.

"They've now embraced the Bush policy that you can create prisons outside the law," said Jonathan Hafetz, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who has represented several detainees.

The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo Bay because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held as part of a continuing military action. The government argues that releasing enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.

The government also said that if the Bagram detainees had access to the courts, it would allow all foreigners captured by the United States in conflicts worldwide to do the same.

It Is not the first time that the Obama administration has used a Bush administration legal argument after promising to review it. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder announced a review of every court case in which the Bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege, a separate legal tool it used to have lawsuits thrown out rather than reveal secrets.

The same day, however, civil division attorney Douglas Letter cited that privilege in asking an appeals court to uphold dismissal of a lawsuit accusing a Boeing Co. subsidiary of illegally helping the CIA fly suspected terrorists to allied foreign nations that tortured them.

Letter said that Obama officials approved his argument.




http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/20/obama-administration-affirms-bush-policy-detainee-rights/



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Good. Glad to hear it.

 

[DancingBear]

As for the links regarding supposed similar actions during the Bush administration, I didn't find those "threats" to be of the same nature as what this guy stands accused of. If the guy had, as the links you provided allude to, written "Kill the President", or he had been heard opening talking (even if in jest) about carrying out such a deed, or suggested that the President be impaled, or produced artwork depicting such things, then you'd have a comparison.

I disagree, for example the woman who wrote in a letter "they hanged the wrong guy in Iraq" seems pretty similar. But setting that aside are you saying that you think the Secret Service is acting differently now than during the Bush administration? If they got a similar police department report in 2004 do you think the Secret Service would not have checked it out?

 

[Geoff_M]

I disagree, for example the woman who wrote in a letter "they hanged the wrong guy in Iraq" seems pretty similar. But setting that aside are you saying that you think the Secret Service is acting differently now than during the Bush administration? If they got a similar police department report in 2004 do you think the Secret Service would not have checked it out?

Sorry, but saying that you want to see someone who is arguable the President hung instead of Saddam is not quite the same as what the guy in question did. For starters it would be a little medically impossible to "abort" a living man. Unless you are willing to state that the word "abortion" equals "murder", then it would seem clear that by "abort" the Obama critic only wants him removed from office.

As a side note, I don't recall the SS taking action to interview people at the Showtime channel or the makers of "The L Word" in 2007 when they featured an art sculpture in one of their episodes titled "The Unauthorized Abortion of W":

 

[onelilspark]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";30410297]I have read all the posts from today and just want to say that I agree with everything all of you have had to say....this was easier than quoting all of your posts

I think I'm turning Republican and I only have the DEMS to thank for that Obama wanted me to unite so I did....I united just fine with conservatives...no problem.....and you are all a pleasure to be around

and the foods great here also [/QUOTE]

Its amazing what logic and reason does

 

[TeresaNJ]

Its amazing what logic and reason does

And this is the point I was trying to get across in a thread yesterday in which I was being chastised for daring to utter my non-complimentary thoughts regarding Obama. If you tell your story enough, eventually some people will listen and do some research. That is my only goal and "agenda"; to get some blind, rapid BO supporters to seek out truth! If I can only get one person to see BO for what he really is, that's great, as that one will hopefully go out and speak, which will lead to another one, and so on and so forth.

 

[Humphrey Bear]

Its amazing what logic and reason does

Good morning fellow Conservatives and guests. Today is a GREAT DAY!

Our beloved mailman has deilvered my autographed DVD (#669 out of 3000) of Glenn Beck's The Christmas Sweater!!!!!

 

[Saxsoon]

About the abort Obama sticker. The SS (if not accurate, at least ironic) was wrong I think in this considering all the other "threats" against Bush. However, the person who put that there is not acting very Christ-like either. It is stupid and just insulting to other Christians out there.

About Putin and China, WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And because the subject calls for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gncW1zqMFgs It is called "I want a man like Putin" (music video) It shows two Russian Popstars singing how they want a man like Putin. They are the equivalent to Obamagirl in Russia. Good to watch for a laugh. Not hard on the eyes either.

Putin would be scary to go up against in karate.