*Confirmed* G+ Changes to Advanced Lightning Lane

[jelona]

Tiers are now shown on the WDW website: Here is the one for MK:
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/lightning-lane-passes/#drawer-card-drawerMagicKingdomPark

If I remember correctly, MK did not have tiers in FP+, as I thought we were able to pull Big Thunder, Splash (now TBA), and Space as our rides. Now those are the Tier 1 rides, along with Peter Pan and Jungle Cruise. So that doesn't feel like such a great thing.

great... so that means If i go to Epcot... where I could book Frozen, Remy, and Soarin as my rides.... now I only have the possibility to ride one of those... where with Genie+, I was able to get all 3.

 

[peteykirch]

So it seems that it's still following the Genie+ model of 1 and done with regards to booking slots for an attraction. Even if you use your first 3, and say you want to ride Pirates but Pirates was one of your original three you are locked out from it even if there is still availability to utilize it.

 

[BrianL]

So it seems that it's still following the Genie+ model of 1 and done with regards to booking slots for an attraction. Even if you use your first 3, and say you want to ride Pirates but Pirates was one of your original three you are locked out from it even if there is still availability to utilize it.

I really do wish it would include re-rides. I can understand limiting the number of Single Pass you can purcahse, but for Multi Pass if I want to use my additional slots on repeats, why not?

 

[Bibbobboo2u]

I don't like the tiering - that makes it more complicated. Oh well, whatcha gonna do?

I looked at all the parks tiers, and it sucks. AK doesn't have tiers. Epcot is Frozen, Rat, and Soarin', which won't make a huge difference in that park since it was sometimes difficult to get both Frozen and Rat with Genie+. HWS is SDD, MMRR, MFSR, and RnRC. That park did have FP+ tiers, so it will be interesting to see how many of these rides people are ultimately able to get under this newest FP+/G+/LL hybrid version. But as I mentioned above, the addition of tiers at MK and the ability to only pull one from the Tier 1 group is frustrating, especially since it will probably cost more due to the "convenience" factor of purchasing early. It would have been a huge win if they had allowed two Tier 1 rides, but they are probably trying to maintain availability for off-site guests.

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

No, now you'll need to be booking Disney attractions while you're trying to get ready to go to work...

Rather that then getting up early everyday of my " vacation"

 

[rangerxenos]

great... so that means If i go to Epcot... where I could book Frozen, Remy, and Soarin as my rides.... now I only have the possibility to ride one of those... where with Genie+, I was able to get all 3.

Bingo! And you'll probably get to pay more for it as well.

WTG Disney!

 

[rangerxenos]

I really do wish it would include re-rides. I can understand limiting the number of Single Pass you can purcahse, but for Multi Pass if I want to use my additional slots on repeats, why not?

Exactly. If there are still times available, why can't I re-ride? That's the reason I've never gotten Genie+ -- a good chunk of the rides don't need LL to begin with, and you only let me ride my favorites once? Nope. I rope drop and stay later at the parks instead, and still get to ride everything I want.

 

[BrianL]

Exactly. If there are still times available, why can't I re-ride? That's the reason I've never gotten Genie+ -- a good chunk of the rides don't need LL to begin with, and you only let me ride my favorites once? Nope. I rope drop and stay later at the parks instead, and still get to ride everything I want.

I have found that I'd rather just buy and schedule that one ILL ride and not bother with G+- to me that worked out better, and I didn't even always do it.

 

[Chrisdriscoll]

Step backwards to me. Yes, you no longer have to get up at 7AM each day, but we will now lose stacking and holding more than 3 LL's. Its like FP+ all over again. You will race to get up 7 days in advance only to have all the top rides already booked.

And since everything good is all booked up, now you have to get up at 6AM each day to rope drop to get on the headliner rides that people grabbed all the LL for at 7 days out. And just because you are staying in the bubble doesn't mean you will get those headliner rides. I remember vividly during FP+ not being able to get the best rides bc they were all gone when we logged in at 60 days to make them. And if you are staying offsite I'm sure Figment, Living with the Land, Disney Junior Play and Dance!, and Monsters Inc Laugh Floor might have some availability.

 

[BigHouseFootball]

Absolutely brutal. We are going backwards. Genie+ fixed all the problems of Fastpass+. We are back to the disastrous Fastpass+ but now we have to pay for it.

I don’t like planning rides days out because I don’t know what the wait times will be. Yes, I want to ride Pirates but I may not want to use my Genie+ on it right now if the line is 10 minutes. Instead I’ll grab the Buzz Lightyear Genie+ and do standby for Pirates. Now, I won’t be able to make that decision in real time and may be wasting a Lightning Lane (unless I can modify day of).

My biggest fear is you are going to get your 3 pre booked rides aaaaaand then nothing. Just like Pastpass+.

 

[jelona]

So i guess Stacking is out the window too if you can only have 3 slots out at a time... Right?

 

[peteykirch]

I really do wish it would include re-rides. I can understand limiting the number of Single Pass you can purcahse, but for Multi Pass if I want to use my additional slots on repeats, why not?

If they wanted take the rides they put in the "higher tier" and lock them behind 1 and done I'd understand it.

The rest, it should be once you use your first three, and if there is still available slots for the non-tier rides you can book again.

 

[peteykirch]

So i guess Stacking is out the window too if you can only have 3 slots out at a time... Right?

It seems so, there is no longer a cool down timer, you book your three, and you can only start booking new slots until you use one of the previous three.

 

[BrianL]

And since everything good is all booked up, now you have to get up at 6AM each day to rope drop to get on the headliner rides that people grabbed all the LL for at 7 days out. And just because you are staying in the bubble doesn't mean you will get those headliner rides. I remember vividly during FP+ not being able to get the best rides bc they were all gone when we logged in at 60 days to make them. And if you are staying offsite I'm sure Figment, Living with the Land, Disney Junior Play and Dance!, and Monsters Inc Laugh Floor might have some availability.

This is true. People will be more "on it" when they are at home anticipating their trip. The 7 AM call while actually there was not something a lot of people want to hit on vacation.

 

[jelona]

It seems so, there is no longer a cool down timer, you book your three, and you can only start booking new slots until you use one of the previous three.

That was one of the advantages i loved about Genie+. I could get a late/leisure start at the park.... but have the afternoon stacked with rides. Especially handy in the Hot summer months.

 

[Bibbobboo2u]

Bingo! And you'll probably get to pay more for it as well.

WTG Disney!

Yeah - just when you have hope that Disney will do something that makes ride access better (if you are willing to pay for it), they just can't do it. This sounds great - advance purchase, knowing you have ride selections that your family will enjoy, not having to pull a ride at 7am every day of vacation, being able to schedule around ADRs. etc. Then you find out about the tiers and that only one of the three rides you get to choose in advance is something you really want to do. So will you even be able to get a second or third Tier 1 ride?
ETA: I think this is going to put more people into the standby line for Tier 1 rides because by the time everyone who wants to buy and book in advance does so, the LL slots may be gone. So you may get your first and only Tier 1 ride in LL, and then the other Tier 1 rides may not be available as LL, and you will then have to use standby line to ride.

 

[peteykirch]

That was one of the advantages i loved about Genie+. I could get a late/leisure start at the park.... but have the afternoon stacked with rides. Especially handy in the Hot summer months.

My guess Disney will now want you to book those 3 slots for the afternoon/evening of where you will end up. So you could rope drop a park like AK, but make your Multi Pass Slots for the evening at MK.

 

[jelona]

Yeah - just when you have hope that Disney will do something that makes ride access better (if you are willing to pay for it), they just can't do it. This sounds great - advance purchase, knowing you have ride selections that your family will enjoy, not having to pull a ride at 7am every day of vacation, being able to schedule around ADRs. etc. Then you find out about the tiers and that only one of the three rides you get to choose in advance is something you really want to do. So will you even be able to get a second or third Tier 1 ride?
ETA: I think this is going to put more people into the standby line for Tier 1 rides because by the time everyone who wants to buy and book in advance does so, the LL slots may be gone. So you may get your first and only Tier 1 ride in LL, and then the other Tier 1 rides may not be available as LL, and you will then have to use standby line to ride.

Trying to stay positive here.. but i hate what i'm reading so far. Hoping for the best though. Wish i could push my trip forward a few days. lol
No stacking I think is what hurts the most. I was a stacking pro and not a Rope dropper. I rather wake up at 7... get my iced coffee at the resort and have a slow morning... knowing i'm gonna be riding everything i want by that evening.

 

[cat4hurricane]

So.. It’s just FP+ with a price tag, and a limited number of uses? No 2hr window so what you grab is what you get? That will suck for anyone who grabs their first ride spot in the afternoon and can’t switch to an earlier time. Limiting who gets what to Resort Guests first also means there goes all the E ticket rides (Peter Pan, 7DMT, Tron, GOTG, FOP, maybe Everest, MMRR, Slinky Dog etc) and they’ll never leave them open for non-resort guests, which is just the problem with FP+ all over again. Glad you no longer need to wake up ridiculously early on vacation anymore (unless GOTG and Tron are still in VQ after this) and that you can book ahead, but for non-Resort Guests, what’s really left except for the rides that won’t have ridiculous waits attached to them anyway?

Everyone wants to do Tron, GOTG, 7DMT, Peter Pan, FOP, Rise, MMRR because they’re new, and short of snagging an ILL/single pass, there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to ride it (especially the VQ rides) without paying or enduring an honestly soul-crushingly long line (3.5 hr wait for Rise? An all day wait for Remy?) or get up early/stay up late and hope to god the lines die down accordingly. Glad they’ve also gotten a name change, especially with the DAS changes, it gets confusing when those CMs are saying to use Genie or Genie+ when they’re both the same service. Having defined names (Genie for the AI trip maker, LL pass and single ride for ILL) makes it so no one gets confused about what is meant where, and should have been done agesago. I think it’ll be great if they could find a way to make sure non-resort guests at least get a chance to have an E-ticket ride in their FP+ selections, but knowing Disney, they want Resort guests to have all the perks.

Also, with the removal of the 2hr window, is it worth paying for a service when at most you’ll only get a couple rides in it a day? My understanding of it previously meant that you get the most rides and therefore the most usage out of it by waiting the 2 hrs and stacking or by tapping in and immediately grabbing a new ride. If they’re really limiting the selections down to 3+ an extra 3 when those are done, they better revise the pricing a bit to make that actually seem valuable to the Guest, because 25 bucks a day per person is not going to be valuable if you can squeeze in only anywhere from 4-6 rides. I’d want more for my money if I’m a family of 4 or larger spending 25 bucks a person. This also doesn’t offer re-rides still, which is honestly a bummer. I know a lot of people who would love this service and get it happily if they only allowed re-rides (even one re-ride per ride would be satisfactory, especially since CMs have been saying to use it in place of DAS, which allowed re-rides).

Glad we don’t have to wake up super early anymore, but the limiting of how many you can get plus still no re-rides means I don’t know if it’s worth the current G+ $25 price tag. I’d rather have the ability to stack and just prebook my first 3. Also, Resort Guests getting the ability to potentially snag all the E-ticket rides and leaving none for those not on property doesn’t make me feel great for someone who usually doesn’t stay on property, at least let us have the option of getting an E ticket ride, versus it all being locked out when we get to the point of pre-booking.

 

[peteykirch]

So.. It’s just FP+ with a price tag, and a limited number of uses? No 2hr window so what you grab is what you get? That will suck for anyone who grabs their first ride spot in the afternoon and can’t switch to an earlier time. Limiting who gets what to Resort Guests first also means there goes all the E ticket rides (Peter Pan, 7DMT, Tron, GOTG, FOP, maybe Everest, MMRR, Slinky Dog etc) and they’ll never leave them open for non-resort guests, which is just the problem with FP+ all over again. Glad you no longer need to wake up ridiculously early on vacation anymore (unless GOTG and Tron are still in VQ after this) and that you can book ahead, but for non-Resort Guests, what’s really left except for the rides that won’t have ridiculous waits attached to them anyway?

Everyone wants to do Tron, GOTG, 7DMT, Peter Pan, FOP, Rise, MMRR because they’re new, and short of snagging an ILL/single pass, there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to ride it (especially the VQ rides) without paying or enduring an honestly soul-crushingly long line (3.5 hr wait for Rise? An all day wait for Remy?) or get up early/stay up late and hope to god the lines die down accordingly. Glad they’ve also gotten a name change, especially with the DAS changes, it gets confusing when those CMs are saying to use Genie or Genie+ when they’re both the same service. Having defined names (Genie for the AI trip maker, LL pass and single ride for ILL) makes it so no one gets confused about what is meant where, and should have been done agesago. I think it’ll be great if they could find a way to make sure non-resort guests at least get a chance to have an E-ticket ride in their FP+ selections, but knowing Disney, they want Resort guests to have all the perks.

Also, with the removal of the 2hr window, is it worth paying for a service when at most you’ll only get a couple rides in it a day? My understanding of it previously meant that you get the most rides and therefore the most usage out of it by waiting the 2 hrs and stacking or by tapping in and immediately grabbing a new ride. If they’re really limiting the selections down to 3+ an extra 3 when those are done, they better revise the pricing a bit to make that actually seem valuable to the Guest, because 25 bucks a day per person is not going to be valuable if you can squeeze in only anywhere from 4-6 rides. I’d want more for my money if I’m a family of 4 or larger spending 25 bucks a person. This also doesn’t offer re-rides still, which is honestly a bummer. I know a lot of people who would love this service and get it happily if they only allowed re-rides (even one re-ride per ride would be satisfactory, especially since CMs have been saying to use it in place of DAS, which allowed re-rides).

Glad we don’t have to wake up super early anymore, but the limiting of how many you can get plus still no re-rides means I don’t know if it’s worth the current G+ $25 price tag. I’d rather have the ability to stack and just prebook my first 3. Also, Resort Guests getting the ability to potentially snag all the E-ticket rides and leaving none for those not on property doesn’t make me feel great for someone who usually doesn’t stay on property, at least let us have the option of getting an E ticket ride, versus it all being locked out when we get to the point of pre-booking.

It seems that once you use your first Multi Pass Lightning Lane you can book one to replace it. The use all 3 is the only required to book slots at a different park from where you started.