Confessions of a reluctant runner, a DL 1/2 & PHM PTR. 7/5 race recaps and final thoughts

[annmarieda]

Too early to say but it was discouraging. I can have them pull the met bars out. I am also slightly concerned that part of the issue is the material used for the insert sole. It is EVA, which I am not allergic to. My other options were basically the spanko, which I probably am or vinyl, which would be too slippery. I am wondering if the EVA is getting slippery in the heat with sweat. One of the reasons they like the spanko is that it breathes. Generaly EVA is what is in the midsole of many shoes but in flip flops and other things, it can be the actual footbed. Those can get slippery. I am wondering if that is part of the issue? Ugh, I guess I can call.

I hope it works but certainly can understand how it would be discouraging at this point.

But given that my insurance just denied them hacking away at my feet, I don't want to deal with the likelihood of more out of pocket costs on this at the moment.

I don't blame you!

There is no way I could maintain it that way over a 2 hour period. I did work up some split scenarios looking at a variety, slightly negative, slightly positive, very positive just to see what it might look like.

Me neither!

I walk fast, Jeff can outrun me in a major way but I can out walk him if I want to. It is interesting, I read an article yesterday that had the mix of running and walking targeted as being in the 9-12:30 range. So that is a brisk walk for sure. Overall it suggested 30-60 second walk breaks as a bit more optimal as longer, and your heart goes back to rest.

Oh, so maybe that is it. The walking portion (while is a minute) shouldn't be so slow that your heart goes back to rest. That makes a tad more sense. I wonder if people who use this method realize that the walk breaks shouldn't be "resting" breaks. I know I didn't. I figured during the walk portion people walked at what was most comfortable. (ie. not with a raised heart rate)

 

[eandesmom]

I hope it works but certainly can understand how it would be discouraging at this point.

I'm going to call, in reading the take home stuff I really didn't over do it and it said to call if blisters or hot spots.

Oh, so maybe that is it. The walking portion (while is a minute) shouldn't be so slow that your heart goes back to rest. That makes a tad more sense. I wonder if people who use this method realize that the walk breaks shouldn't be "resting" breaks. I know I didn't. I figured during the walk portion people walked at what was most comfortable. (ie. not with a raised heart rate)

Well...I'm not sure about that. This is a runners world article specifically referring to when you should walk and targeted towards "seasoned" runners. Though it doesn't say, it implies that you can do at least a 9m mile. It's focused on using walking to conserve energy on long runs, hills, intervals and food and has different recommendations for each. So for example on a long run it's saying walk briskly 30-60 seconds at the end of each mile, no matter what. I could actually see that working. My "count to 50" walks are probably around 30-40 seconds as I count kinda fast. I used that at the last race and then this recent long run. They helped a ton and I had energy to spring the last quarter mile both times. That feels good for sure. Do I want to try it on each mile? I don't know but it could be interesting to test out.

It's not exactly the Galloway approach which is anti brisk or power walk but...he never says how fast a walk should be. However, he doesn't seem to suggest longer than a minute on any of his ratio's. I get hung up on the idea of walking every 4 min, or even slowing down that often. I'd rather just take the 30-60 seconds when I need it. Every mile though...that seems a more logical break point to me.

It's interesting though, if you use his MM thing...the training pace is SO much slower than race pace, it'd be hard to really dial that race walk/run ratio in. If I look at mine for example it would imply I should do a 2:1 in training, but then a 4:1 in a race. I know he calls for some miles at race pace but on the time improvement plan it's only 3 miles at race pace! Changing intervals like that for a race seems counter intuitive

I do agree with it (walking) for fuel though, played a bit with that on Sunday and it really worked better than it has in the past. At the end of the day, if you listen to your body, it works out. On my 11 mile I walked for fuel, stopped for a bio break (walking), didn't rush the break and then had one additional walk break. It was warm. With all that I came in around a 10:24 pace. His stuff implies I should be at a 11:45 pace. That's too slow. Runners World would have me at 10:30, Mc Millan 9:30-10:50 on long runs to be training for the pace I want for racing. So I guess ultimately I feel I am doing ok even if in the moment it feels like I cop out at times.

I also heard on the TrD group that in general, walk/run is not as effective once you hit a 10m mile then if your run pace is slower than that. I am not sure how true that is, clearly he got a BQ doing it, which for his bracket means pulling of a 9:30 pace for a marathon. So...who knows!

 

[annmarieda]

I am going to need to try something. Yesterday was very hard. I ended up taking in a lot of walk breaks toward the end. I have a hard time thinking of walking early on. Like "why do I need to I am fine right now" Next long run though is 15 and assuming this weather continues I know I can't maintain a run for all of that...

 

[eandesmom]

I am going to need to try something. Yesterday was very hard. I ended up taking in a lot of walk breaks toward the end. I have a hard time thinking of walking early on. Like "why do I need to I am fine right now" Next long run though is 15 and assuming this weather continues I know I can't maintain a run for all of that...

Yesterday was very warm! What time did you run? Today was not terribly pleasant for me either and I only went 5.2. Head wasn't in the game, foot issues, blah blah blah. Truthfully I really only ran maybe 4.4. My brain kept saying "the finish upright plan only calls for 4 today". LOL!

Then again the copious amounts of wine from the previous day after 8 hours at the hospital while my dad had double knee surgery followed by an afternoon and evening at the lake with my college crew...may have had a lot more to do with my performance and attitude than anything else.



I'm with you though. it is hard to walk that first mile or even second. I did a short one today at 2.5 and that felt right. I am supposed to do 12 next week and expect I'll try to incorporate a few more short walks. Not sure though, one of my friends wants me to do a 5 or 10K with her on sat (5 or 10k, then an hour yoga and then wine tasting event? LOL! does sound fun). Not sure what I do about the 12 miler if I decide to do it.

 

[MEK]

I think I need to check out that "finish upright" plan now that I am officially registered and officially excited to see you guys in February! I made my reservations for Saturday through Monday night at SSR, although I am going to try to get a Friday night flight out. I forget how long you are actually staying. You'll have to refresh me on your arrival and departure details. I think I'll get a new AP in Feb!

 

[annmarieda]

Yesterday was very warm! What time did you run?

I think I finished close to 11am. It wasn't horrid when I started but by the time I was done I think it was closer to 80 than 70.

Today was not terribly pleasant for me either and I only went 5.2. Head wasn't in the game, foot issues, blah blah blah. Truthfully I really only ran maybe 4.4. My brain kept saying "the finish upright plan only calls for 4 today". LOL!

Then again the copious amounts of wine from the previous day after 8 hours at the hospital while my dad had double knee surgery followed by an afternoon and evening at the lake with my college crew...may have had a lot more to do with my performance and attitude than anything else.

I could see why your head wasn't in the game. Is your dad ok? So something was going with his knee and that is the reason he fell or he injured it when falling?

I'm with you though. it is hard to walk that first mile or even second. I did a short one today at 2.5 and that felt right. I am supposed to do 12 next week and expect I'll try to incorporate a few more short walks. Not sure though, one of my friends wants me to do a 5 or 10K with her on sat (5 or 10k, then an hour yoga and then wine tasting event? LOL! does sound fun). Not sure what I do about the 12 miler if I decide to do it.

Well, while it isn't ideal I suppose... my plan when I have an event as well as a long run I just subtract out the miles from the long run that represent the event. So if you do a 10k... I would only then do an additional 6 miles instead of the full 12. With the wine tasting though... that might not work.

I think I need to check out that "finish upright" plan now that I am officially registered and officially excited to see you guys in February! I made my reservations for Saturday through Monday night at SSR, although I am going to try to get a Friday night flight out. I forget how long you are actually staying. You'll have to refresh me on your arrival and departure details. I think I'll get a new AP in Feb!

I am so excited that you will be doing the phm! The plan wont start up for a while... so you have time to still focus on the bike race

 

[eandesmom]

I think I need to check out that "finish upright" plan now that I am officially registered and officially excited to see you guys in February! I made my reservations for Saturday through Monday night at SSR, although I am going to try to get a Friday night flight out. I forget how long you are actually staying. You'll have to refresh me on your arrival and departure details. I think I'll get a new AP in Feb!

here is the link

We are hoping to do a red eye on weds, so have ressies as AVK for Thurs/Fri and then BWV for Sat - Mon. We fly home Tuesday. I would shoot for a friday night flight though for a couple reasons, one for packet pick up and 2 to avoid any stress about flight issues since that would be the day before the race.

I think I finished close to 11am. It wasn't horrid when I started but by the time I was done I think it was closer to 80 than 70.

Yep, that's how my 11 miles were last week, about 70 at the start, 79 I think at the end. Remember, I jumped in the lake in my running clothes! Temp today was the same, 77 when I finished though it was a shorter run.

I could see why your head wasn't in the game. Is your dad ok? So something was going with his knee and that is the reason he fell or he injured it when falling?

No, he's not ok. I'll have a big update on it on the other TR as it impacts the cruise in a pretty major way. He injured them falling. Both of them.

Well, while it isn't ideal I suppose... my plan when I have an event as well as a long run I just subtract out the miles from the long run that represent the event. So if you do a 10k... I would only then do an additional 6 miles instead of the full 12. With the wine tasting though... that might not work.

Well, it's just a tasting. That part doesn't worry me, I would normally have a glass or 2 with dinner on a Saturday night anyway. It's more about increasing the time spent running, less about total miles. So I can do 6 on Sat, 6 on Sun and that works. But it isn't doing 2 hours straight and that's really what I need to do. Does that make sense?

I also think part of today's sluggishness is due to lack of weekday running this past week, following the 11 miler. I only did 2 on tuesday as I tried it with the new inserts and it did not go well. Skipped Fridays. And today the calluses ramped up very fast again. BOO. I do think that the warmer weather is playing a big part in it.

Fitting in a 2 hour run though, on a weeknight...BLEH. Mentally I need to hit the 12 miles, in one session.

Bottom line is though while it sounds fun, and it's a winery I like a lot, I could care less about the Yoga. $65 is more than I want to spend for something like that. So...probably will opt out.

 

[eandesmom]

First off, lets see how this last week of training went.

Last week, I was here

• JG Finish Upright. Total time: 9.5 hours + long run miles 54 (+ 6 magic miles)
• JG Time Improvement. Total time: 14.25 hours + long run miles: 53
• My plan. Total actual time to date: 12 hours + long run miles: 70.5

One week later I am here

• JG Finish Upright. Total time: 10.5 hours + long run miles 58 (+ 6 magic miles)
• JG Time Improvement. Total time: 15.75 hours + long run miles: 66
• My plan. Total actual time to date: 13.3 hours + long run miles: 75.11

On paper, it doesn't look so bad. In reality though, a pretty crap week.

As I mentioned, I am trying to break in my new custom orthotics to avoid some of the callus/blister issues that have really ramped up as my miles have increased. It has been warmer than usual and we've used our non running nights to go for power walks instead of the gym and on those nights or days, I wear the new inserts. This is what the past couple of weeks have looked like

7/2 ran 4.6 (old inserts)
7/3 Gym (new inserts)
7/4 ran 4.6 (old inserts)
7/5 walked 4.6 (new inserts)
7/6 ran 11.2 (old inserts)
7/7 walked 4.5 (new inserts)
7/8 walked 3 (new inserts)

On 7/9 I tried to run in the new ones. I ran 2 miles. It didn't feel great but not quite horrible either. I then walked for 2 miles. I ran 1 more mile at the end. That, that didn't feel so good at all. It is funny, (not really) when we did our walks, the right one felt worse but running, the left one did. When I got home, I had developed blisters on the bottoms of both arches. The problem area was fine but now I had a new problem. It could be:

1. I wore them too much, too many days in a row. I did check the handout and I don't think I did.

2. It is too warm out and it is just hot feet chafing

3. The fabric used in the new inserts doesn't breathe, therefore my feet are more "slippery" in them in the warmer weather, causing chafing/blisters.

I suspect it is number 3. The insole is made of EVA. Which is cushy…but slippery foam rubber. I've noticed it feeling slippery in my flip flops...the EVA gets warm and well, it's a bit weird. The one they usually use (non EVA, called "Spenco") supposedly breathes better. After the run I contacted that manufacturer to see if it might be an option. For their custom ones, it is s made of full on neoprene (with a light fabric cover). I am majorly allergic to the neoprene. Is the jersey top enough to protect me? I don't know. Sigh.
I was supposed to run on Friday but, it was hot out, and a Kendall weekend. We typically don't run at night once we have her over as our time with her is very limited. Combine that with the under arch blisters I didn't want to make worse and...I blew it off.

I also blew off the gym on Saturday. My dad suffered a pretty major knee injury on Saturday (lots more on that on my other TR) and as a result I spent 8 hours at the hospital while he was having surgery. By the time it got over I headed straight to an annual party with my dinner club/college friends. It's a great party after a stressful week and it was much needed.

It did not however make for a great run on Sunday! Thankfully it was a short run week but between the heat, the later than ideal start, the under arch blisters, arches just being sore, running in the old inserts and having the callus ramp up fast again, it was a pretty slow run. And shorter than I'd planned/hoped for. I did it, so that’s something, but it certainly wasn't my best run, I just wasn't into it at all. I did run in my "race skirt" simply because it was hot out, and I wanted to avoid any potential chafing. None occurred however I am not convinced the inner shorts are truly long enough to prevent if out for 2+ hours. I did order another skirt which should arrive this week but as it is also the mesh shorts, should fit about the same. I had forgotten that the pocket was "backwards" from my normal shorts and other skirts and that threw me off a little. Other than that though, it did just fine. I am really hoping that this week is better overall, it's a bit discouraging. My shins hurt a bit today which happened with the met bar pads I tried about a month ago so I suspect the new inserts are to blame for that as well. It should resolve but it does mean I really need to figure something out.

For right now my plan is to stick with my old inserts while running. I do have an appointment on Weds to get the new ones looked at. This is not going to be a quick resolution. I will have to decide what to do. I have a few options for the short term.

1. Do nothing, hope I can get the pricey RX ones to work by the half. Just deal with the calluses along the way.

2. Get new shoes. I have about 200 miles on my shoes right now and that is not including walking. The previous pair, my first, got 443 on them. It was at least 50 miles too many and arguably closer to 100 given some various pain/issues I had that went away with the new shoes. Between now and the DL half, including the half I’ll put another 135 or so on them. Add in walking and I’m right at the point of needing new ones again. Question is do I wait it out, will new ones earlier help a darn thing or is it money I don’t need to spend. And then, what shoe do I get?

3. Get new inserts to replace the semi-custom ones I have now. Currently I use inserts that were heat molded to my feet. Better than the ones in a box you can buy at the big box stores or even at a running store, at least in theory, as it is molded to my specific foot. When I bought them, they said it would last 4 pairs of shoes. Ok, that’s subjective, how long a shoe lasts really varies by individual. Other literature suggests a year. One thing I read today said 1500 miles. All I know is that I can see it’s getting thin in my trouble area on at least one of them. My gut leans closer to a year than to 4 pairs of shoes or 1500 miles. They have 665 on them, not including walks and the gym and are 15 months old. I suspected it was time and had really hoped the uber fancy RX ones would simply take over but…it’s not that simple. Or fast.

4. Do I get new shoes AND new inserts? Ouch.

BLEH.

Here are my options on the shoes. I currently wear an Asics Stability Shoe.
Get another pair of exactly what I have now. Given that the model was discontinued 6 months ago, those shoes have been sitting at least that long and arguably longer…and they actually do break down on their own a bit over time. Is that significant? They are a bit cheaper. Say, $20-30. The heaviest shoe of my options. 9.3 oz. Does that really matter? I have NO idea. I have tried other shoes, this was the 3rd pair when I first started this journey and I am on my 2nd pair of them.



Get the new model of the shoe I have now. It is allegedly lighter and more comfortable. Lighter would be nice. Except…I think it's only a difference of .1 - .3oz lighter! LOL. Gotta love marketing. They get mixed reviews. I was very intrigued by this initially (and yes it comes in other colors) but now am not so sure.



Try a performance stability shoe. This is really geared towards averaging over 25 miles a week or can be used just for racing. These are actually a little less expensive than the new model of my current shoe. 7.1 oz. So, a LOT lighter. But they seem to have similar cushioning and support. I am very intrigued by these, they are brand new. Not much more $$ than the "old" model of my current shoe. In theory I could get these and alternate with my current ones, extending their life too. I'm not sure I want to rotate shoes like that but then again, I have never tried it!



Obviously if I am going to try a totally different shoe, sooner rather than later would be best. The store has a 90 day return policy so if they don't work, they can easily go back for exchange.

No clue what I am going to do about any of it.

I did buy something though.

I decided to pre-order this!



It is the commemorative Dooney and Burke wristlet. They go quite fast at the expo and since you can pre-order, why not! It may well be the only souvenir I get and it looks pretty stinking cute. As a wristlet I think I will use it quite a bit. I've looked at the bigger Dooney bags over the years and always question how much I'd use them. Occasionally there is a bag I love that I know I'd use but more often than not I have a feeling I’d spend a ton, and it would sit there as it’s a bit "too cute" for my everyday work life. This though feels a bit more special as it will be something I have earned. Not to mention I really like the pattern.

They also have a tote bag



And a cross body



The cross body is adorable but I hate flap openings like that, I know it would annoy me and for the price…probably in the too cute category.

I did "purchase" something else running related last week.

I registered for the Princess Half! I was able to sign up with DVC early registration; it opens to the public tomorrow. While I couldn't get my DVC coupon code to work, runDisney was awesome about crediting me my $10 back. Hey, 10 bucks is 10 bucks!

Or an adult beverage.

Joining me at the PHM will be Ann. We booked our DVC rooms a few weeks ago, right now we have a split stay AKV-Kidani Savannah View (th/fri) and BWV Boardwalk View (sat-mon). We will be wait-listing BWV-BW view for the 1st 2 nights so we don't have to move but if it doesn't come through we are perfectly thrilled with what we have!

And, in her first RD Event, my other partner-in-girls-trips, Mary Ellen!



This picture seemed especially appropriate!

We have been on 3 girls trips together. While this will not be a girls trip for her, she will get some girly time in!

In a fortuitous turn of events, she had rescheduled a trip with her DH. Which turned out to be over the race weekend.! I am thrilled to say she caved to peer pressure from a few folks and will be at the race and she and her DH will join Ann and I for a post race breakfast! We know lots of other DISers who will be there too. She will rock this I know! Open registration starts tomorrow and I expect a lot more folks that we know to sign up.

I have to say, with the recent development of my September trip possibly not happening, I am even more grateful that PHM is planned, it will lessen the pain for sure. Now we just need flights.

We've covered training, and shopping, let’s talk about our actual plans for THIS race! Our ADR window opened up recently and between Ann and I we booked a few things!

Our current plans (Ann, correct me if I mixed anything up, it’s entirely possible!)

Friday: 8:40 am flight to Long Beach. Towncar to hotel, check in. Grab Lunch, maybe EOS. Maybe Jolly Holiday, I think there was one other on our list lol. Hit the Expo, pick up packets etc. No super firm plans but likely to hit the parks (likely MK focused this day), possibly Trader Sam’s for dinner. Uva Bar is a backup option.

Saturday: RD at DCA to ensure we get RSR fast passes! Breakfast at Pacific Wharf. Parks and pool time (if wanted) all day without overdoing it on the walking, etc. Lunch at Garden Grill. Pre-Race Dinner at Wine Country Trattoria. We will try to get to bed at a decent hour.

Sunday: DL Half Marathon! Post Race Breakfast at Steakhouse 55. Parks, Pool, whatever we feel like. Maybe Dinner at Plaza Inn (If I recall correctly lol).

Monday: Beignets at Ralph Brennan’s Jazz Kitchen Express. Parks. Late lunch at Café Orleans. Towncar to John Wayne Airport at 3:15. Go home. BOO!

What’s up for this week in training? More of the same except it is a long run week. That means YIKES, 12 miles on Sunday. I was toying with a 5 or 10k event that is on Sat but not only would that mess up the 12 miler for Sunday, I realized I am supposed to be out dress shopping with my middle sister for her wedding. On the trip front, this week and next are likely to revolve around the will we/won't we question for our September anniversary trip. Other than that, my youngest sister is due to have a baby ANY DAY (C section tomorrow if baby doesn't flip) and we will all be visiting my dad in rehab and plotting those next steps. He was moved earlier today so that is good news, now the waiting begins.

47 days till I run through a castle!

One one (1.09) to go!

 

[MEK]

here is the link

We are hoping to do a red eye on weds, so have ressies as AVK for Thurs/Fri and then BWV for Sat - Mon. We fly home Tuesday. I would shoot for a friday night flight though for a couple reasons, one for packet pick up and 2 to avoid any stress about flight issues since that would be the day before the race.

Thanks for the link. I will def check it out.

I am definitely going to try to arrive Friday night. I wanted to take Friday off from work but wasn't granted that day off. I might have better luck with a half day of work so I can get an afternoon flight. I just want to get there so I will bite the bullet and pay more to fly out of Philly cause its closer, especially if weather is a factor.

Speaking of weather, if we have flight cancellations we will just drive all night to get there on Saturday. I do want to get up first thing Saturday and pick up the packet.

My question is - HOW WILL I EVER SLEEP THE NIGHT BEFORE THIS RACE????? I am really bad at sleeping when I KNOW I have to get up really early.

I think I will try to switch my reservation to BCV or BWV if that's where you guys are going to be. Will probably need to waitlist. We will have a car. Will that make it easier or harder to get to the start of the race? I'm totally depending on you for all the details.

I commented on your other TR about your dad. What terrible, terrible luck. I really, really hope everything works out well. It's stinks for you, but it really stinks for him to have to endure this recovery.

I am going to read that website because I am intriqued by the walking part. Right now I run about 3 days a week (2.5-3 miles)/ do elipitical 2 days a week (4.5 miles) and bike one day a week. Some weeks I only exercise 5 days depending on my schedule.

I really like the eliptical because I can get my heart rate into the target zone for 30 minutes straight, but I am worried that it might be trashing my legs. My legs sometimes just feel so dead when I run. So maybe I really should be walking and doing upper body to allow them to recover better.

 

[KatMark]

I didn't get a bat signal and had no idea you started this. I'm subbing and will be back to read.


****Okay....I'm back. I read through everything but too much to comment on (I skipped the chatter...sorry) it all.

I'll just say that I remember a lot of your background...the sore neck, etc. I am just in awe of you and Ann doing all of these runs. I wouldn't be able to do it (but then I'm totally out of shape). I think Mark and I will stick to walking...especially when we move to Florida.

Looking forward to reading more.

 

[eandesmom]

Thanks for the link. I will def check it out.

I am definitely going to try to arrive Friday night. I wanted to take Friday off from work but wasn't granted that day off. I might have better luck with a half day of work so I can get an afternoon flight. I just want to get there so I will bite the bullet and pay more to fly out of Philly cause its closer, especially if weather is a factor.

Ah, that's just weird for me to think of something that far out not being granted but it totally makes sense. Nice that you have the option to drive as a backup. We started tracking flights but right now they are UGH.

Speaking of weather, if we have flight cancellations we will just drive all night to get there on Saturday. I do want to get up first thing Saturday and pick up the packet.

Yes, earlier you can pick up is better though honestly that just impacts stuff you might want to buy at the expo as it will be picked over.

My question is - HOW WILL I EVER SLEEP THE NIGHT BEFORE THIS RACE????? I am really bad at sleeping when I KNOW I have to get up really early.

Me too. I have no answer for you there!

I think I will try to switch my reservation to BCV or BWV if that's where you guys are going to be. Will probably need to waitlist. We will have a car. Will that make it easier or harder to get to the start of the race? I'm totally depending on you for all the details.

Very good question on the car. All the resorts will have special buses so I'd think that might be faster but I don't really know! We will definitely be at BWV for the race.

I commented on your other TR about your dad. What terrible, terrible luck. I really, really hope everything works out well. It's stinks for you, but it really stinks for him to have to endure this recovery.

It stinks most for my dad. My mom has to cancel a 2 week trip to the UK so she's pretty bummed about that too. He's going to go NUTS being there for that long. I will visit him tomorrow. He is doing as well as possible under the circumstances

I am going to read that website because I am intriqued by the walking part. Right now I run about 3 days a week (2.5-3 miles)/ do elipitical 2 days a week (4.5 miles) and bike one day a week. Some weeks I only exercise 5 days depending on my schedule.

I really like the eliptical because I can get my heart rate into the target zone for 30 minutes straight, but I am worried that it might be trashing my legs. My legs sometimes just feel so dead when I run. So maybe I really should be walking and doing upper body to allow them to recover better.

Well, the walking isn't instead of the running in the traditional galloway plan. He does intervals, so you run x and then walk x. Neither Ann or I do that but lots do, with great results. At your pace though, for as long as you've been running, I think you'd get frustrated. Just a guess.

There has been a lot of chatter recently about how the elliptical really isn't that great of a workout unless you amp up the incline and the resistance. Running and the bike are actually both better for cardio. Right now you have 6 days of cardio though, and zero strength training. That could be a recipe for injury if you aren't careful. If it were me, I'd do one of 2 things. Swap out one elliptical day for strength training. Upper and lower body weights, dymanic stretching. Or cut the elliptical down to 20-25 on both days and do at least 20 min of strength training and stretching. Your legs are likely dead because you are overdoing it in total, not from any one thing. And as it's all impact (except the elliptical) you have certain muscles that may be dominant, others weaker and that's causing that dead feeling too. I'd also look to see when they feel dead. is it after an elliptical or a bike day? Using different muscles.

The walking I have been doing takes the place of my cross training days. Our normal routine is to run 3 days, hit the gym for 2. On those gym days I used to do all elliptical. I had a few injuries, nothing major. I started adding in more and more stretching and strength work and now one day is all that, the other day is usually 1/2 that and then half elliptical.

We are walking now simply as it's quite nice out and is either an extra workout on what would have been a rest day, or because it feels too hot out to hit the gym. Plus I've been trying to break in the stupid inserts and Jeff has a step count contest thing at work. LOL! We walked tonight, 4.6 miles, it would have normally been a night off.

I didn't get a bat signal and had no idea you started this. I'm subbing and will be back to read.

Don't feel bad, no one got a bat signal! the closest was posting a link on the current TR.

Kathy, I am thrilled you are here!

****Okay....I'm back. I read through everything but too much to comment on (I skipped the chatter...sorry) it all.

I'll just say that I remember a lot of your background...the sore neck, etc. I am just in awe of you and Ann doing all of these runs. I wouldn't be able to do it (but then I'm totally out of shape). I think Mark and I will stick to walking...especially when we move to Florida.

Looking forward to reading more.

You could do it. You can walk. Walk enough and eventually you can walk a half if it's something you want. It was never something I thought I'd want for sure. Never say never. I am eating my words these days

Walking is wonderful though!

 

[annmarieda]

Yep, that's how my 11 miles were last week, about 70 at the start, 79 I think at the end. Remember, I jumped in the lake in my running clothes! Temp today was the same, 77 when I finished though it was a shorter run.

This weather is just making running so tough!

No, he's not ok. I'll have a big update on it on the other TR as it impacts the cruise in a pretty major way. He injured them falling. Both of them.

Oh no!

Well, it's just a tasting. That part doesn't worry me, I would normally have a glass or 2 with dinner on a Saturday night anyway. It's more about increasing the time spent running, less about total miles. So I can do 6 on Sat, 6 on Sun and that works. But it isn't doing 2 hours straight and that's really what I need to do. Does that make sense?

Yep... it makes sense. Splitting the distance between sat and sunday really doen't count. 6 in the morning and 6 in the evening does for some reason.

Fitting in a 2 hour run though, on a weeknight...BLEH. Mentally I need to hit the 12 miles, in one session.

Well, I am sure you are good to go. I mean... for each of the halfs I did I only took my mileage up to 10. maybe 11. Still... not up past that I didn't do horrible.... but maybe I would have done better if I had taken the miles up higher. I guess that is what I am hoping to find out in doing this crazy plan.

First off, lets see how this last week of training went.

Last week, I was here

• JG Finish Upright. Total time: 9.5 hours + long run miles 54 (+ 6 magic miles)
• JG Time Improvement. Total time: 14.25 hours + long run miles: 53
• My plan. Total actual time to date: 12 hours + long run miles: 70.5

One week later I am here

• JG Finish Upright. Total time: 10.5 hours + long run miles 58 (+ 6 magic miles)
• JG Time Improvement. Total time: 15.75 hours + long run miles: 66
• My plan. Total actual time to date: 13.3 hours + long run miles: 75.11

On paper, it doesn't look so bad. In reality though, a pretty crap week.

I think you are doing great!

As I mentioned, I am trying to break in my new custom orthotics to avoid some of the callus/blister issues that have really ramped up as my miles have increased.

I am so sorry you are having such issues. It really sounds painful.

Here are my options on the shoes.


Get the new model of the shoe I have now. It is allegedly lighter and more comfortable. Lighter would be nice. Except…I think it's only a difference of .1 - .3oz lighter! LOL. Gotta love marketing. They get mixed reviews. I was very intrigued by this initially (and yes it comes in other colors) but now am not so sure.



Try a performance stability shoe. This is really geared towards averaging over 25 miles a week or can be used just for racing. These are actually a little less expensive than the new model of my current shoe. 7.1 oz. So, a LOT lighter. But they seem to have similar cushioning and support. I am very intrigued by these, they are brand new. Not much more $$ than the "old" model of my current shoe. In theory I could get these and alternate with my current ones, extending their life too. I'm not sure I want to rotate shoes like that but then again, I have never tried it!



Obviously if I am going to try a totally different shoe, sooner rather than later would be best. The store has a 90 day return policy so if they don't work, they can easily go back for exchange.

I always prefer the most light weight. I think I need all the help I can get when it comes to lifting my feet off the ground. I do think I tend to almost drag..so lighter for me is better. BUT... yelllow? I vote yellow. It would look very good with your race outfit, yet?

I did buy something though.

I decided to pre-order this!

How fun is that! I have never purchased one. In fact when it comes to the race merch... I haven't really been one to make those purchases. I can't bring myself to buy the "I did it" shirts before the race... and then they are gone after.

I registered for the Princess Half! I was able to sign up with DVC early registration; it opens to the public tomorrow. While I couldn't get my DVC coupon code to work, runDisney was awesome about crediting me my $10 back. Hey, 10 bucks is 10 bucks!

Joining me at the PHM will be Ann.

And, in her first RD Event, my other partner-in-girls-trips, Mary Ellen!

Our current plans (Ann, correct me if I mixed anything up, it’s entirely possible!)

You have it ALL exactly like I do... I was worried I would have something off. Glad that we are both on the same page.

What’s up for this week in training? More of the same except it is a long run week. That means YIKES, 12 miles on Sunday. I was toying with a 5 or 10k event that is on Sat but not only would that mess up the 12 miler for Sunday, I realized I am supposed to be out dress shopping with my middle sister for her wedding. On the trip front, this week and next are likely to revolve around the will we/won't we question for our September anniversary trip. Other than that, my youngest sister is due to have a baby ANY DAY (C section tomorrow if baby doesn't flip) and we will all be visiting my dad in rehab and plotting those next steps. He was moved earlier today so that is good news, now the waiting begins.

That is a full week! Hopefully you can fit time in for training...but if not, I think you certainly have a good reason or two..or three.....

47 days till I run through a castle!

 

[PrincessInOz]

OOH! Dooney and Bourke before the shoes.

Great pre-purchase. Love the look of the bag. Enjoy.

I like the look of the performance stability shoe. Aside from the pretty colours, lighter is always better in my viewpoint.
Have you tried it on in a local retail shop?

Your training times look fantastic to me.

 

[eandesmom]

This weather is just making running so tough!

A bit yes. We walked last night. My shins hurt.

I don't know if it is from the darn inserts or if my shoes or old inserts are really going or what. SO frustrating.

I actually wore my compression sleeves last night, overnight. Which you are totally not supposed to do but oh well. They feel good on, but off, not so much. I do think its the inserts though, it's anterior and that is usually either due to pronation issues, or overtraining and I really don't think I am overtraining or that it's a significant increase over the past. A bit more walking than usual but I think had I done those walks, and run, in the old inserts this wouldn't be happening. Especially since it happened with the met bar pads. That did resolve quickly though so hopefully this will too.

Yep... it makes sense. Splitting the distance between sat and sunday really doen't count. 6 in the morning and 6 in the evening does for some reason.

really? that seems odd to me, if the goal is to push the lactic threshold and endurance I am not sure how splitting it with that long of a break would do that. If the goal is just logging in miles then I could see it.

Well, I am sure you are good to go. I mean... for each of the halfs I did I only took my mileage up to 10. maybe 11. Still... not up past that I didn't do horrible.... but maybe I would have done better if I had taken the miles up higher. I guess that is what I am hoping to find out in doing this crazy plan.

And look, you have already gone way past that!

I hope to have 3 more long runs between now and then. 12, 13 and 14. We will see how it goes.

I am so sorry you are having such issues. It really sounds painful.

I always prefer the most light weight. I think I need all the help I can get when it comes to lifting my feet off the ground. I do think I tend to almost drag..so lighter for me is better. BUT... yelllow? I vote yellow. It would look very good with your race outfit, yet?

I really don't have time for this. That is probably the biggest stress factor. Jeff and I chatted about it on our walk last night and we both are kind of leaning towards new shoes (trying the lighter ones, I'd know quickly if they don't work) AND getting new inserts that are like the ones I use now. Which bites from a $$ perspective. Honestly, while I'll keep trying to get the other ones to work, I may well wait until September to try and break them in, whatever I end up doing with them. Hopefully new "other" inserts will slow down the callus/blister thing a bit. Filing daily kind of sucks. And, with the way they "blew up" on Sunday for just 5 miles I do think the chances of an issue before mile 13 is real. I guess we will see how the 12 goes on Sunday.

Assuming my shins are better.

I could consider getting the new shoes on friday and testing them on Sunday but...generally, 12 miles is not the best way to test a new shoe. I may well stop there anyway and take them for a test run with one lap around Greenlake since it's right there, then think about it before I buy. They always offer and I've never actually done it.

How fun is that! I have never purchased one. In fact when it comes to the race merch... I haven't really been one to make those purchases. I can't bring myself to buy the "I did it" shirts before the race... and then they are gone after.

I'm not big on "I did it" shirts in general. If there is a cute tech shirt, I could see getting that, or a cute regular one but generally I have a hard time finding ones I like. A coffee cup, or wine glass is much more likely. This I will use and if I end up with nothing else, I will be ok.

You have it ALL exactly like I do... I was worried I would have something off. Glad that we are both on the same page.

So funny, I though I'd written it down somewhere and then it was like ummm....I know we have a plan. Somewhere. It might be a loose plan but it's a plan. Glad I remembered ok.

That is a full week! Hopefully you can fit time in for training...but if not, I think you certainly have a good reason or two..or three.....

She is on the way to the hospital now for her C section!

OOH! Dooney and Bourke before the shoes.

Great pre-purchase. Love the look of the bag. Enjoy.

Isn't it cute? I am excited about it.

I like the look of the performance stability shoe. Aside from the pretty colours, lighter is always better in my viewpoint.
Have you tried it on in a local retail shop?

I have not. Hopefully they have that size and color in stock but I think the chances are decent. All the colors are cool but I love the yellow. I really like the look of the shoe as well. I may stop there on Friday and check it out.

Your training times look fantastic to me.

Thanks!

 

[rentayenta]

46 days until you're running through the castle.

 

[franandaj]

OK, I'm finally caught up. What a tale! Some of it I was aware of from your other TRs, some of it completely new to me. Not a lot of time to comment, so I'm just going to say Wow! What dedication you have. I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it.

I'm the camp that I used to love to run until it became so painful for me. (6th or 7th grade) With those memories, I am now in the camp of rather being poked in the eyes with a hot stick as well. Good for you for keeping it up and congratulations for all the Disney runs that you have.

The Dooney wristlet looks very cool and I hope that you work out the issues with your shoes! Good luck on everything and I'll try to keep up.

Now to get over to your other TR and find out what happened with the cruise.

 

[elphie101]

Yay food!! I must say I think Steakhouse 55 sounds the most delicious.

I never realized the ordeal of selecting running shoes. Eeep! Hope you pick your perfect match soon.

 

[MEK]

There has been a lot of chatter recently about how the elliptical really isn't that great of a workout unless you amp up the incline and the resistance. Running and the bike are actually both better for cardio. Right now you have 6 days of cardio though, and zero strength training. That could be a recipe for injury if you aren't careful. If it were me, I'd do one of 2 things. Swap out one elliptical day for strength training. Upper and lower body weights, dymanic stretching. Or cut the elliptical down to 20-25 on both days and do at least 20 min of strength training and stretching. Your legs are likely dead because you are overdoing it in total, not from any one thing. And as it's all impact (except the elliptical) you have certain muscles that may be dominant, others weaker and that's causing that dead feeling too. I'd also look to see when they feel dead. is it after an elliptical or a bike day? Using different muscles.

I just started a couple weeks ago with the strength training of the upper body and abds. I started the elliptical initially thinking it would be good for my arms, because nothing else I do uses the arms. I figured it would be a good way to get back into strength training because I always worry about my neck when I move right to weights or machines.

Then I actually found out I liked the elliptical, once I lowered the resistance a bit and just went for speed. I can get my heart rate up like a run, but don't have to concentrate like on a run or the bike. I can just sort of veg and just crank it out.

But I DO think it might be the elliptical that is trashing my legs, even though is seems so benign to the legs while I'm on it. Or maybe its the total number of miles/amount of everything, like you said. So I need to drop out a day of it if I am going to run three days a week and continue to bike. I'm working back in the strength training cause I know I have to if I am going to bike/run in different events.

So your suggestion is a good one and something I am already working on!

 

[eandesmom]

46 days until you're running through the castle.

excited

and terrified!

OK, I'm finally caught up. What a tale! Some of it I was aware of from your other TRs, some of it completely new to me. Not a lot of time to comment, so I'm just going to say Wow! What dedication you have. I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it.

I don't know that dedication is the right word. Fear of the alternatives does inspire commitment I guess. I think you could, but it's a matter of wanting it enough to deal with hurdles. I never thought I could do it either. I think anyone could but I totally get why most wouldn't want to that's for sure. It does get better. Sort of. LOL!

I'm the camp that I used to love to run until it became so painful for me. (6th or 7th grade) With those memories, I am now in the camp of rather being poked in the eyes with a hot stick as well. Good for you for keeping it up and congratulations for all the Disney runs that you have.

I wonder sometimes about stuff like that, I had such issues trying to run as a kid that it really had me convinced I couldn't do it. Until I got to the point where I felt I had no choice. It makes me wonder what was going on with me as a kid, especially when I've seen my kids struggle with different things along those lines.

The Dooney wristlet looks very cool and I hope that you work out the issues with your shoes! Good luck on everything and I'll try to keep up.

I am super excited for the wristlet, it may well be the only thing I buy but I am glad I went for it instead of hoping to get it at the expo and them being gone. Oh the shoes and inserts, that gives me a total headache. It really should not be that complicated!

Now to get over to your other TR and find out what happened with the cruise.

We shall see huh.

Yay food!! I must say I think Steakhouse 55 sounds the most delicious.

I am really excited for it. I liked the look of the menu, it's a close walk from our hotel AND they will have mimosas. Or maybe a bloody mary, I'll be playing that one by ear. Meets all of my criteria!

I never realized the ordeal of selecting running shoes. Eeep! Hope you pick your perfect match soon.

Well in large part I think I have the right shoe. I don't have the right insert and I fear mucking with it in trying to get a "better" one may have actually messed with my gait or stride or is just making me paranoid. Then again, my current right shoe may not be the ultimate best one so....who knows.

I just started a couple weeks ago with the strength training of the upper body and abds. I started the elliptical initially thinking it would be good for my arms, because nothing else I do uses the arms. I figured it would be a good way to get back into strength training because I always worry about my neck when I move right to weights or machines.

Running is quite good for the arms actually, about the same as the elliptical. I don't know that the arm versions of the elliptical are proven to do much, I suspect you could get as much done with a 2 pound weight. I use 3 pounds tops so I don't hurt my neck and keep it to those, versus any machines. It's not ideal but I've found it works well for me.

Then I actually found out I liked the elliptical, once I lowered the resistance a bit and just went for speed. I can get my heart rate up like a run, but don't have to concentrate like on a run or the bike. I can just sort of veg and just crank it out.

But I DO think it might be the elliptical that is trashing my legs, even though is seems so benign to the legs while I'm on it. Or maybe its the total number of miles/amount of everything, like you said. So I need to drop out a day of it if I am going to run three days a week and continue to bike. I'm working back in the strength training cause I know I have to if I am going to bike/run in different events.

Hard to say, but if you bumped the resistance down,, yeah, you might just be burning them out going fast but not increasing strength. I know what you mean about vegging out though, it is good for that!

That said though, for PHM you don't "need" to run 3x a week yet if you would rather be doing other things to focus on the bike race training, that could wait. Do what feels best for the conditioning you want for your bike race now, you'll have time for the other later.

Here's a couple of clips from articles my chiro/art/pt sent out, they were about more than just the elliptical but I've seen this exact info elsewhere. What I do know is this. I can enter the exact same info on the elliptical at the gym, into myfitness pal and into runkeeper. I will get a significant different answer in terms of how much I burned between the 3, machine being by far the highest, then MFP and then RK. That disparity alone gives me pause on how accurate that heart rate info is. It is very good if you can't do impact training, but impact is good as we age. Since the bike isn't impact, you do have a nice mix already.


Another common mistake people make is not bumping up the resistance. What I have noticed is people like to peddle the elliptical really, really fast. I imagine most people believe the faster they move their legs, the better their workout will be. With other exercises, this might be true – but not on the elliptical.

The rotating mechanism used in ellipticals is a flywheel. This means it can use momentum to spin itself around. With the elliptical, fast feet equals lots of momentum. This means your muscles don't have to work very hard to move the peddles around. When you bump up the resistance, your arms and legs have to work harder to keep the elliptical moving.

Some ellipticals also allow you to adjust the incline. This is another great option for increasing the intensity. If you can bump up both the incline and the resistance, even better!

If you make these few small changes to your elliptical workouts, I guarantee you will burn more fat and calories, and you will also see greater improvements in your fitness level.

The important piece to remember here is your exercise should be hard! So how do you know if it is too easy? If you can have a full conversation, read a book, flip channels on the TV or text and email on your phone, you are not working out hard enough!

----

Before you go tearing my head off, I contend that while you most certainly can get a good workout on an elliptical, I also contend that you probably don’t. Here’s why: you are pedaling that elliptical like a bat out of h*** with little to no resistance.

Resistance is what makes us grow, period. Whether that resistance is against gravity, added weight, or through water, gains are made when we push against something. That resistance also makes us uncomfortable, and spinning your wheels on the elliptical makes some feel like they are moving fast without that uncomfortable feeling like running produces. Well guess what? The reason you hate running, is exactly what delivers the results.

The proof is in the pudding – the calories burned. I remember when the Precor elliptical first came out. At that time I wasn’t much into running and I liked that I could burn nearly 1,100 calories in an hour doing a low-impact exercise like the elliptical. Wait, what? 1,100 calories? Was I climbing Mt. Everest, fighting for the welterweight title, running sprints up sand dunes? Nope, the 1,100 I was estimated to be burning was according to the data listed on the elliptical machine.

The truth is, even if you happen to use the elliptical correctly and intensely, you aren’t burning 1,100 calories in an hour, unless you are a very, very large person working at all-out intensity. In fact, according to a recent study, the elliptical trainer was named as the least accurate when it comes to calorie counting. According to Jay Cardiello, SHAPE fitness editor-at-large, most elliptical machines overestimate your burn by 42%.


So who knows but something to consider

 

[MEK]

Hmmmmm - Interesting, especially about the poor estimation of the calories burned. I will never look the same at the elliptical calorie count again. I wonder how accurate the distance is.

That was an interesting read.

I know one thing - I am the only person on the elliptical with the fan going full blast who is never texting, talking, or reading a magazine. I kind of chuckle at the people who are. Well, I chuckle when I can catch my breath. I keep the resistance where it feels like there is resistance, but not painful.

It really is good for people who think they are doing something, but really aren't doing much. But still - I think there are people out there who wouldn't do anything if it wasn't for the elliptical, so it has its role.