Completely 100% disgusted

[snowbunny]

My concern is as DVC grows more and more will be taking advantage of commercial renting and it will be a problem. With DD is HS now we do have to look at Peak travel times over the next few years so this could very well be an issue with us as well.

Not to defend commercial renters (and I'm not one, I don't have the points), but you have just as much chance to book a room at the 11-month window as the commercial renter.
If both of you are planning in advance (obviously the commercial renter is), it's whoever gets on the horn to MS first. It's the same number of total resort points no matter who owns them and how many peak-time reservations they make. Peak time is peak time resort-wide.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Not to defend commercial renters (and I'm not one, I don't have the points), but you have just as much chance to book a room at the 11-month window as the commercial renter.
If both of you are planning in advance (obviously the commercial renter is), it's whoever gets on the horn to MS first. It's the same number of total resort points no matter who owns them and how many peak-time reservations they make. Peak time is peak time resort-wide.

you would think, but who knows HOW they are calling in. Do they have multiple people on one contract all calling in at once? Maybe 6 or more people all calling at the same time all booking under that membership for the same peak weeks

that doesnt seem to be as fair to me. technically htey are entitled to as many rooms/weeks as they have points, but they have the odds at getting through better/earlier and we have all heard stories of rooms being there one minute and gone the next as MS tried to finalize details. So its different than 1 person calling and trying to get 5 or 6 rooms I would think anyway

Im sure hard core commercial renters have a few other tricks up there sleave too.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Not to defend commercial renters (and I'm not one, I don't have the points), but you have just as much chance to book a room at the 11-month window as the commercial renter.
If both of you are planning in advance (obviously the commercial renter is), it's whoever gets on the horn to MS first. It's the same number of total resort points no matter who owns them and how many peak-time reservations they make. Peak time is peak time resort-wide.

Not if they are making a business out of it. They may have multiple people making the phone calls for them to get all the prime reservations. Who knows, they might even have an insider working at MS making the reservations for a cut. Now that would be despicable.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I agree but deep down wonder if they really see this as a way to get potential buyers in a room to view and pitch to. No different them them upgrading from a Value to a Studio to get them on the DVC resorts.

Here's a prime example from what looks like it could be a DIS member 5 all running in peak times.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Beach-Cl...oryZ3257QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Couldn't you see someone getting real mad when they checked into their BCV studio and there wasn't a clown looking back at them? All his/her photos are for BWV, including the floor plan and room photos.

 

[I'mNoPrince]

Couldn't you see someone getting real mad when they checked into their BCV studio and there wasn't a clown looking back at them? All his/her photos are for BWV, including the floor plan and room photos.

I know just too funny. But like others have said all Sun -Fri stays prime weeks so not spending a lot of points but charging maximum amounts and getting it .

 

[nono]

Commercial renters usually charge far more than the average price for points. For example during 2006 rental prices generally run about $10-$11/point. Commercial renters usually charge $12/point or more.

I don't get this point. You state that there's alternatives in the 10-11 dollar range. Renters can choose among the offerings. Are you disgusted about taking availability from other owners or about commercial renters not dumping their points on the open market and forcing prices down for all renters?

 

[Plutofan]

Note - I would strongly discourage anyone from doing what I am about to suggest... but I thought I'd throw it out as an option...

If you are really upset about this, want to DO SOMETHING and are frustrated by Disney and other website's indifference, you could always see if

Earl K Wood
Orange County Tax Collector
P.O. Box 2551
Orlando, Florida 32802
EKWood@octaxcol.com

gives a damn. I've got a gut feeling none of those folks have paid the tourist development tax on those rentals.

Lets remember that anyone who is not registered with Florida and Orange County and does not pay or collect the tax is also in violation of the state and county rules not just the "comercial renters".

 

[DisDaydreamer]

This is a DVC problem that will have to be solved by DVC. Unfortunately, member dissatisfaction has very little to do with whatever course of action DVC may choose to pursue. I can empathize, but as I said, it's a problem that will require action on the part of DVC in order to rectify.

DVC has been a bit more stringent regarding numerous rentals recently, but outside of prohibiting any rental of points at all, there is a limit to what they can do to restrict the use of a member's points.

Agreed, DVC is the one to take any action... and they are. The one time transfer certainly has curtailed this type of transaction. Though, I wish they would allow reciprocal transactions between members (trading). Also, they have been much more diligent in shutting down the commercial sellers. I sense they are just watching what the results of their actions are, and will make changes in the future... Like reciprocal transactions between members! Just let us trade...

 

[Deb & Bill]

Agreed, DVC is the one to take any action... and they are. The one time transfer certainly has curtailed this type of transaction. Though, I wish they would allow reciprocal transactions between members (trading). Also, they have been much more diligent in shutting down the commercial sellers. I sense they are just watching what the results of their actions are, and will make changes in the future... Like reciprocal transactions between members! Just let us trade...

Since we became members in 1997, there was only one transfer per year per membership. So this isn't a new thing. Just enforced. Amazing really, imagine Disney enforcing one of their own rules.

 

[DisDaydreamer]

Wow, we've been members since 1998 and I didn't ever know that was the rule.... I guess enforcement is the action taken. I'm always learning..

 

[pyrxtc]

I agree but deep down wonder if they really see this as a way to get potential buyers in a room to view and pitch to. No different them them upgrading from a Value to a Studio to get them on the DVC resorts.

Here's a prime example from what looks like it could be a DIS member 5 all running in peak times.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Beach-Cl...oryZ3257QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This link is kind of funny since it is advertising the Beach club but puts the Boardwalk amenities at the bottom along with the "free valet parking at Boardwalk" and lots of picture of Boardwalk!!

Think we should hint to the seller?? NOT!!! Let them figure out why it's not selling! I'm sure they'll continue to relist it until they have to cancel the ressie or go themselves.

Plus, I thought 5 were not allowed in a studio at BCV, only BWV's with a daybed?


Edited to say, they are really not smart since not only are they advertising weeks to rent on Ebay, they are advertising their contracts (or some contracts) for sale there as well and no matter what the vacation is for, they have pictures of BWV's at the end of all of them!

 

[Deb & Bill]

If you read all the way through the ad, it says the studio will sleep four adults and one child under the age of three.

 

[Caskbill]

The ad has a big section on member discounts. Renters are NOT eligible nor entitled to member discounts. So that part of the ad is an outright lie.

This includes these items shown in the ad:

Pool Hopping
Discounts at the WDW water parks.
Discount at DisneyQuest
Discounts at Pleasure Island
Free Valet Parking.

These are member perks and require showing the blue membership card. They are not included even to legitimate 'guests' of the member unless the member is also along, much less to renters traveling by themselves.

Finally the ad compares buying the same room thru CRO, but fails to mention that with CRO the cancellation policy is much more liberal, and they get daily mousekeeping. A rental does not include daily mousekeeping, and only a trash/towel service once during the week. No where in the ad is this explained.

 

[GusMan]

The ad has a big section on member discounts. Renters are NOT eligible nor entitled to member discounts.
...
These are member perks and require showing the blue membership card. They are not included even to legitimate 'guests' of the member unless the member is also along, much less to renters traveling by themselves.

For what its worth... when I rented points for a small trip, my room key did have "DVC MEMBER" on it and as a result I did get several discounts without asking or being asked for a member card. Granted, I realise that may be a "your mileage may vary" kind of thing, but your comments are very valid. If the renters dont get everything they thought they were buying into, there could be some problems.

On the topic of rentals, if it wasn't for someone around these boards offering rentals, I may not have ever experienced the conveniences of a 2BR villa and may not have later become a member. In other words - honest DVC'ers who rent out points for a reasonable cost may actually help DVC by giving people a wonderful DVC experience, which may eventually result in a new member. Thats the ultimate word-of-mouth marketing. The problem is that you have these people on eBay and the like doing what they are doing for obvious profit. Maybe DVC should start there - no rentals via auction sites, etc.

The bigger problem is that unless DVC "detectives" post as interested buyers, Im wondering how they would get the information needed to say that a reservation is a rental that goes beyond reasonable and the membership info from the violator. It would be a real challenge and a lot of overhead.

Just a thought for conversation sake....

 

[mamaprincess]

This is why we cant get the accomodations we want during the dates we want. Disney has to find a way to stop this.

 

[Deb & Bill]

DVC knows if the member is staying on the reservation or not. That's why they were looking at the 20 per year number.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

DVC knows if the member is staying on the reservation or not. That's why they were looking at the 20 per year number.

thats probably the only way to truly tell, but commerical renters are surely more adept than that.

one family or small group could get several contracts all in different names thereby having the ability to actually make several hundred reservations per year

Im sure if there is a way for them to beat they will

can one buy dvc under a company name or does it have to be under an individual name?

 

[DVC Mike]

Commercial renters are out there; that is the sad fact. I don't like it at all, but there's nothing I can do about it. Only DVC can solve the problem. I just wish they would. No one can disagree that the activities of the commercial renters does negatively impact other DVC members.

 

[GusMan]

can one buy dvc under a company name or does it have to be under an individual name?

Good question... One might assume that since it is supposed to be for individual use only, corporate ownership is not allowed.

Then again, a sole proprietorship is still a valid business. And if that business uses DVC for the purpose of providing their inventory, then that is a blatant misuse of the membership.

 

[keys2kingdom]

Commercial renters are out there; that is the sad fact. I don't like it at all, but there's nothing I can do about it.

Sad but true. I try not to think about it, it lessens my enjoyment of my membership, and I can't have anything doing that. Ignorance is bliss and I try to maintain ignorance at all times (bliss too). Ever since the Mush scandal I've decided there are certain things I'm just better off not knowing.