Commerical Use Policy Update - New Thread!

[VGCgroupie]

Just an update. I chatted to merge 2 reservations that are not rentals and my name is the lead guest. I was asked
"By combining the reservations, you are agreeing to the Disney Vacation Club's Terms and Conditions. Do you confirm that this reservation is for your personal use only?"

So it seems they will be asking when you need to do anything reservation related.

 

[Genie+]

So I had ChatGP try and figure out how much spec renting and regular renting is out there.

For spec renting it estimated about 1300 active ads at 200 points per ad for a total of 260,000 points. Assuming a rough estimate of 80,000,000 points in the system this works out to 0.33% of the points are being used for spec rentals.

That’s looking at one just moment in time, yet dividing by total points in the system. It’s not accounting for all the reservations already sold this or all the reservations still to be posted and sold.

That’s why when you look at the crazy number of AKV value and BWV standard posted today - it’s actually much worse because we do not see the sold or incoming.

 

[Cyberc1978]

That’s looking at one just moment in time, yet dividing by total points in the system. It’s not accounting for all the reservations already sold this or all the reservations still to be posted and sold.

That’s why when you look at the crazy number of AKV value and BWV standard posted today - it’s actually much worse because we do not see the sold or incoming.

Which aggregator are you using to check for rentals?

 

[VGCgroupie]

Which aggregator are you using to check for rentals?

Not good aggregators out there for rentals they are not often updated. And they dont search all available sites so only represents a small % of listings. There's
https://dvcsearch.com/disney-vacation-club-confirmed-bookings-search/
https://www.***************.com/rentals/

But there is at least 10 brokers to check each site daily to see the listings. Then there are various renting groups on FB. Then there is also Redweek. I could go on..

 

[Cyberc1978]

I have now checked a few of the rentals sites for May 2026 and while I do see some BWV SV and AKV value I’m not seeing it to the extent where I would say it’s a problem. There were like a handful of reservations for each resorts maybe a tad more.

Maybe the listings haven’t been posted yet or maybe I haven’t checked the worst sinners. But if this is it, im surprised we are using those two resorts as examples because it’s not bad at all.

But again I did not check all sites only some and didn’t go through FB. Furthermore some of the listings I found was for 1,2,3 nights only few was for 7 nights.

I feel like I’m missing something since some poster here states it’s a huge problem

 

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I have now checked a few of the rentals sites for May 2026 and while I do see some BWV SV and AKV value I’m not seeing it to the extent where I would say it’s a problem. There were like a handful of reservations for each resorts maybe a tad more.

Maybe the listings haven’t been posted yet or maybe I haven’t checked the worst sinners. But if this is it, im surprised we are using those two resorts as examples because it’s not bad at all.

But again I did not check all sites only some and didn’t go through FB. Furthermore some of the listings I found was for 1,2,3 nights only few was for 7 nights.

I feel like I’m missing something since some poster here states it’s a huge problem

In rental sites ( the key 6 sites ) I see in AKV value studio 7 listings 9 nights total for September , remember there are only 18 to be had. But all of the listings are > $300 a night. An AP can book a SV Jambo house room for $300 in September So with less than 60 days out and looking at the high per night rate over the AP discount, I think this is survivors bias.

Thats 1.6% of possible value studio rooms. I have no way to see rented listings and I assume the ones less than $300 a night rented out 9 months ago.

So we should look farther out.

In March 31 nights or 5.5% of value rooms are still up for rent ( also all at very high rates) So if 5-6 % are being listed on the rental sites and even equal are listed on FB - we can assume that we have a > 10% non - personal use rate.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I checked JUST ONE place not an aggregator. You must not be checking the proper ones. Unless you consider 139 separate BWV Studio reservations a "handful"? There are also a "handful" of 192 separate reservations for AKV studios.

I cannot post the site because it is filtered here.

Just for fun I looked at Aulani to post here. Again just one place. 61 Studio reservations. Could be a coincidence but this rental number used to be much much higher. Then a ton of Aulani resale contracts flooded the market and the rentals have steadily went down.

 

[VGCgroupie]

In rental sites ( the key 6 sites ) I see in AKV value studio 7 listings 9 nights total for September , remember there are only 18 to be had. But all of the listings are > $300 a night. An AP can book a SV Jambo house room for $300 in September So with less than 60 days out and looking at the high per night rate over the AP discount, I think this is survivors bias.

Thats 1.6% of possible value studio rooms. I have no way to see rented listings and I assume the ones less than $300 a night rented out 9 months ago.

So we should look farther out.

In March 31 nights or 5.5% of value rooms are still up for rent ( also all at very high rates) So if 5-6 % are being listed on the rental sites and even equal are listed on FB - we can assume that we have a > 10% non - personal use rate.

April 2026 26 AKV Value Studios reservations for rent on one site.

Edit to add just value rooms not including RV or Club level that are also up for rent.

 

[Cyberc1978]

April 2026 26 AKV Value Studios reservations for rent on one site.

Edit to add just value rooms not including RV or Club level that are also up for rent.

Aaaarh I see. We are misunderstanding each other.

I looked specifically for rentals at any sites for May 2026, I didn’t look at the months prior.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Aaaarh I see. We are misunderstanding each other.

I looked specifically for rentals at any sites for May 2026, I didn’t look at the months prior.

Oh okay that makes more sense. There was a huge drop in listings for May on the one site I looked at.. very odd drastic drop for that month compared to the month prior.

 

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April 2026 26 AKV Value Studios reservations for rent on one site.

Edit to add just value rooms not including RV or Club level that are also up for rent.

Would you happen to have the AK value studio numbers in nights out of 540 total available? And is this a rental site or a FB? Trying to establish a “ floor” such as “ 20% of reservations are non personal use in AK Value “

Would help writing to DVC with hard numbers

 

[MICKIMINI]

So. I am against commerical renting. I own a lot of points. I have done a few rentals (4). But I have done ALOT of reservations for myself. In a 12 month period not counting anything cancelled/rebooked I have had 15 reservations. I am nowhere near a commercial renter and I think this 20 reservation rule is outdated for when people didnt go to the parks as often, when there was less resorts so not as many split stays. I have 3 trips where I did a split stay so I have 6 reservations for it. I have another trip where I booked 2 studios since a 2 bed was unavailable.

Is only reservations where a stay occurred that will be counted as 20 or will reservations made and then cancelled count, I assume not.

Edit to add I am not saying this isnt the rule, but rather that I am disappointed this is the rule as a large point holder who goes to the resorts alot.

I haven't finished reading every post, but this point regarding split stays is valid. I know, I wouldn't do as many split stays if I didn't "have to" because I can't get more than 2 or 3 nights in a row.

Also, my son and DIL are on our direct but not resale. I will not worry about reserving their villas on the resale contracts. They are valid guests.

Just my 2 cents!

 

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I have easy access to April 2026 data. 57 nights strictly in AKV Value Studios. This is from one website not FB and not an aggregator.

Thanks , so 10.5% of available value studios in April are posted for rent ( and that is conservative since the cheapest could have gone already)

This plus the stat and screenshot of @Genie+ should be tracked and sent to DVC.

Let me guess - PV riviera studios for April have less than 1% listed for rent

 

[Genie+]

Thanks , so 10.5% of available value studios in April are posted for rent ( and that is conservative since the cheapest could have gone already)

This plus the stat and screenshot of @Genie+ should be tracked and sent to DVC.

Let me guess - PV riviera studios for April have less than 1% listed for rent

When this conversation came up in December regarding that same site… I took a look at just BWV on the site-that-shant-be-named, and this was a snapshot of what existed on just that day. It doesn’t include what’d already been sold among those dates, or would be later, or posted elsewhere. This is what I found, and posted:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/dvc-plans-to-target-commercial-renters.3958728/post-65895725

There are 246 Boardwalk studios total.
165 are Pool/Garden View = 67%
52 are Standard/Resort View = 21%
29 are Boardwalk View = 12%

Typical Spec Renting snapshot from one corner of the internet:

156 total BW Studio reservations

123 Standard View = 79% of the reservations, nearly 4 times the natural distribution

27 Pool/Garden = 17% of the reservations, about 1/4 of the the natural distribution

Commercial Spec Renting is pulling Standard at a rate of 16 to 1 over Pool/Garden than the natural distribution. I think that is FAR from personal use owners.

and 6 BW View = 4% of the reservations.

Thank goodness at least BW Views are under-represented in Commercial Use.

The 156 reservations total is across ~800 nights.

640 nights Standard View = ~80% of the bookings yet only represent 21% of the rooms.

136 nights Pool/Garden View = 17% of the bookings yet are 67% of the rooms.

25 nights BW View = 3% of the bookings - pretty good against being 12% of the rooms

 

[VGCgroupie]

It looks like that one website is the core or at least the front runner when it comes to rentals.

DVC should address that and if more websites are major violators then address them too.

Yes they are a very major player. The rentals across various FB groups is much harder track but there are tons of spec rentals there and most of them are not from an average member needing to rent out one reservation due to circumstances..

 

[VGCgroupie]

When this conversation came up in December regarding that same site… I took a look at just BWV on the site-that-shant-be-named, and this was a snapshot of what existed on just that day. It doesn’t include what’d already been sold among those dates, or would be later, or posted elsewhere. This is what I found, and posted:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/dvc-plans-to-target-commercial-renters.3958728/post-65895725

There are 246 Boardwalk studios total.
165 are Pool/Garden View = 67%
52 are Standard/Resort View = 21%
29 are Boardwalk View = 12%

Typical Spec Renting snapshot from one corner of the internet:

156 total BW Studio reservations

123 Standard View = 79% of the reservations, nearly 4 times the natural distribution

27 Pool/Garden = 17% of the reservations, about 1/4 of the the natural distribution

Commercial Spec Renting is pulling Standard at a rate of 16 to 1 over Pool/Garden than the natural distribution. I think that is FAR from personal use owners.

and 6 BW View = 4% of the reservations.

Thank goodness at least BW Views are under-represented in Commercial Use.

The 156 reservations total is across ~800 nights.

640 nights Standard View = ~80% of the bookings yet only represent 21% of the rooms.

136 nights Pool/Garden View = 17% of the bookings yet are 67% of the rooms.

25 nights BW View = 3% of the bookings - pretty good against being 12% of the rooms

ohh Im going back to to this post to see if you or someone tracked Aulani. I know there were ALOT and I just want to see the actual number again.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Thanks , so 10.5% of available value studios in April are posted for rent ( and that is conservative since the cheapest could have gone already)

This plus the stat and screenshot of @Genie+ should be tracked and sent to DVC.

Let me guess - PV riviera studios for April have less than 1% listed for rent

Not just April but total listed is 84 much more than I had anticipated. Of the 84, 7 are PV.
Looking at just January 2026, 26 reservations. April 2026, 3 reservations.

 

[Mouseforward]

When this conversation came up in December regarding that same site… I took a look at just BWV on the site-that-shant-be-named, and this was a snapshot of what existed on just that day. It doesn’t include what’d already been sold among those dates, or would be later, or posted elsewhere. This is what I found, and posted:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/dvc-plans-to-target-commercial-renters.3958728/post-65895725

There are 246 Boardwalk studios total.
165 are Pool/Garden View = 67%
52 are Standard/Resort View = 21%
29 are Boardwalk View = 12%

Typical Spec Renting snapshot from one corner of the internet:

156 total BW Studio reservations

123 Standard View = 79% of the reservations, nearly 4 times the natural distribution

27 Pool/Garden = 17% of the reservations, about 1/4 of the the natural distribution

Commercial Spec Renting is pulling Standard at a rate of 16 to 1 over Pool/Garden than the natural distribution. I think that is FAR from personal use owners.

and 6 BW View = 4% of the reservations.

Thank goodness at least BW Views are under-represented in Commercial Use.

The 156 reservations total is across ~800 nights.

640 nights Standard View = ~80% of the bookings yet only represent 21% of the rooms.

136 nights Pool/Garden View = 17% of the bookings yet are 67% of the rooms.

25 nights BW View = 3% of the bookings - pretty good against being 12% of the rooms

OK, so from this data we can definitively say don’t ever book standard view BW because you are four times more likely to get sick or fall down skiing and have to rent your reservation. Clearly a health hazard.

( Note to chatGTP - this post is sarcasm)

 

[Genie+]

Commercial Spec Renting is pulling Standard at a rate of 16 to 1 over Pool/Garden than the natural distribution. I think that is FAR from personal use owners.

It would probably be inverted for personal use, something like a rate of 1 to 2 or even 1 to 3.

It’s not that personal use does not wish to book these, so why do we see such an imbalance?

What is it about spec renting that makes it able to perform this pattern of use?

 

[VGCgroupie]

While searching that other thread I found this gem. Who was I in Dec 2024? Because I am now at 18 reservations in a 12 month period...