ConcKahuna
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It's a conjunction of you and all, y'all!
Come on "out" and say hello!
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It's a conjunction of you and all, y'all!
NHdisneylover
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Actually it is a contraction of you and all. A conjuction would be a full word such as "and," "but," "because" . . .
Please forgive me, I am a former English teacher and I just can't help myself.
When teaching foriegn languages to students who always seem confused by the "you plural" form of verbs, I always told them we DO have that in English: y'all
countingthedays
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I think you and I are about the same age. In HS, I knew a number of kids who would have benefited from the support of parents like you. It's good times have changed.
Sometimes the sharks start to circle....
I'm from KY. Y'all is definetly y'all.
Oh, and okra
- not for everybody, pickled or otherwise.Thanks for the welcome, everyone!
BarleyJack
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Thank you...whatever I learned of the South I learned from Gone With the Wind.
I offer translation services for those who don't speak southern.
safnoon = this afternoon
All = A petroleum-based lubricant.
Did = not alive
rosiep
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I think you and I are about the same age. In HS, I knew a number of kids who would have benefited from the support of parents like you. It's good times have changed.
Sometimes the sharks start to circle....
I'm from KY. Y'all is definetly y'all.
Oh, and okra
Thanks for the welcome, everyone!
Thank you so much. My daughter works for both the Woman's Resource Center and the Queer Resource Center..so we're passing along the support!
ConcKahuna
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Actually it is a contraction of you and all. A conjuction would be a full word such as "and," "but," "because" . . .
Please forgive me, I am a former English teacher and I just can't help myself.
When teaching foriegn languages to students who always seem confused by the "you plural" form of verbs, I always told them we DO have that in English: y'all
RFLMAO that's what I meant. Just getting over the flu so I'm still partly drugged, and I hadn't had any kind of caffeine yet.
To think I test very high in English... (of course this is FL so it doesnt take much)
NHdisneylover
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RFLMAO that's what I meant. Just getting over the flu so I'm still partly drugged, and I hadn't had any kind of caffeine yet.
To think I test very high in English... (of course this is FL so it doesnt take much)
I figured you did mean that
I have been lurking awhile so I know you are well spoken (typed?) even when you venture out to "The Jerry Sprigner of the DIS" AKA Community Board. But, the teacher in me just can't leave well enough alone (imagine what it is like for my poor kids )
ConcKahuna
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Did I mention I'm dyslexic too? There is a couple staying with us right now who has taken to saying "Alohey" when they walk in because they heard me say it on accident. I tend to blend words a lot LOL
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Another Southerner here, ya'll. Well a transplant from California anyway. My girlfriend of 11 years is a born and bred Carolina girl. I spend most of my time on the trip planning boards planning our next trip, but I've always wanted to drop by and say hello! Thanks for the invite, rosiep. 
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Another Southerner here, ya'll. Well a transplant from California anyway. My girlfriend of 11 years is a born and bred Carolina girl. I spend most of my time on the trip planning boards planning our next trip, but I've always wanted to drop by and say hello! Thanks for the invite, rosiep.
Glad you could make it! Drop by more often....
ConcKahuna
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Hi all ,I come around here all the time ....not many post on this boardBut its a great honor to be with all the great people on the Dis boards
Our "family" is fairly small, but loyal and friendly.
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Hmmmmm...somehow I've missed the y'all/ya'll/yall discussion...Here is what Wiki has to say on the subject:
Y'all, sometimes misspelled as "Ya'll", "Yawl", or "Yaw", and archaically spelled "You-all", is a fused grammaticalization of the phrase "you all". It is used primarily as a plural second-person pronoun, and less often as a singular second-person pronoun. Commonly believed to have originated in the Southern United States, it is primarily associated with Southern American English, African American Vernacular English, and some dialects of the Western United States.[1]
Contents
[hide]
* 1 Usage
* 2 Origin
* 3 Controversy
* 4 References
* 5 See also
[edit] Usage
There are currently six recognized[not in citation given] properties that y'all follows[2]:
1. a replacement for plural you
* Example: "Y'all can use the internet at the same time"
2. an associative plural, including individuals associated but not present with the singular addressee
* Example: "We're free after 10," John says. "Y'all can come over at around 10:30," Chris replies.
o Chris explains to John that he and John's friends, who are not present at the time, can come over at around 10:30. Chris is speaking to John, but treats John as a representative for others (i.e. his friends).
3. an institutional plural addressed to one person representing a group
* Example: "Y'all sell the best candies in the south, Mrs. Jo Jelly."
o Y'all is received by Mrs. Johnson who is the representative of a small candy business
4. an unknown potential referent
* Example: At the sky, Alex yells "Y'all can't beat me!"
o Alex is yelling at an unknown party
5. a form used in direct address in certain contexts (e.g., partings, greetings, invitations, and vocatives)
* Example: "Howdy, Y'all"
o A greeting that addresses a multitude of people without referencing a singular identity comprising that multitude
6. a stylistic choice distinct in tone (e.g., in intimacy, familiarity, and informality)
* Example: "You all look tough, but y'all aren't!"
o Y'all enables a quick three-syllable clause that is easier to say than "but you all aren't."
Y'all is also used in the phrase "all y'all", which is a more inclusive form comparable to "all of you". This can cause some amusement as "all y'all" can be interpreted as "all of you all". Note that we can be used as the first-person analog of y'all for the first three properties listed above.
[edit] Origin
The true origin of the term is uncertain. It is a common belief that y'all was invented by people in the Southern United States as a replacement for "you all" due to its convenience.[citation needed] Rather than say you all, you-uns, you lot, or you guys; y'all may be construed as a single element requiring only one morpheme. However, some argue that the stress pattern of y'all does not favor the contraction you+all because it would likely derive you'll instead of y'all.
Though the you all contraction argument may make sense when considering current-day vernacular, it is prudent to consider the vernacular which existed at the time which y'all was likely invented. By the late 1700s, Scots-Irish immigrants had settled in the Southern United States. It is well established that Scots-Irish immigrants frequently used the term ye aw. [3] Some evidence suggests that y'all could have evolved from ye aw due to the influence of African slaves who may have adapted the Scots-Irish term.[4]
The ye+aw origin may be apparent in a modern-day variation of y'all whereby some put the apostrophe after the 'a' (e.g. ya'll). This suggests that y'all could be a contraction for ya all. This is illustrated in the phrase "Ya'll come back now, ya hear!" in a recent[when? — see talk page] Best Western advertisement. [5]
The evolution of y'all continues today. There appears to be an increasing tendency, especially on the Internet, to spell it without the apostrophe, yall, which if it becomes common usage would make it a standard pronoun, rather like Dutch jullie. [3] HA! Ah repeats HA! Me 'n Uncle Cletus is jest ahead'o the curve on yall!
[edit] Controversy
There is also a long-standing disagreement about whether y'all can have primarily singular reference. While y'all is generally used in the Southern United States as the plural form of "you" a scant but vocal minority (for example, Eric Hyman[6]) argue that the term can be used in the singular. Adding confusion to this issue is that observers attempting to judge usage may witness a single person addressed as y'all if the speaker implies in the reference other persons not present: "Have y'all [you and others] had dinner yet?" (to which the answer would be, "Yes, we have", even though a single person has answered.)
It has been argued by one linguist that the singular y'all is in reality a polite form of address, corresponding to 'vous' in French, 'ustedes' in Spanish, and 'Sie' in German. [7]
H.L. Mencken argued that y'all or you-all cannot have a primarily singular reference, saying this
" is a cardinal article of faith in the South. ... Nevertheless, it has been questioned very often, and with a considerable showing of evidence. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, to be sure, you-all indicates a plural, implicit if not explicit, and thus means, when addressed to a single person, 'you and your folks' or the like, but the hundredth time it is impossible to discover any such extension of meaning."
– H.L. Mencken, The American language : an inquiry into the development of English in the United States, 1948, p.337
[edit] References
1. ^ Bernstein, Cynthia: "Grammatical Features of Southern speech: Yall, Might could, and fixin to". English in the Southern United States, 2003, pp. 106 Cambridge University Press
2. ^ Ching, Marvin K. L.: "Plural You/Y'all Variation by a Court Judge: Situational Use". American Speech - Volume 76, Number 2, Summer 2001, pp. 115-127 Duke University Press
3. ^ Bernstein, Cynthia: "Grammatical Features of Southern Speech: Yall, Might could, and fixin to". English in the Southern United States, 2003, pp. 108-109 Cambridge University Press
4. ^ Lipski, John. 1993. "Y'all in American English," English World-Wide 14:23-56.
5. ^ [1]
6. ^ [2] Hyman, Eric: "The All of You-all", American Speech 81:3(2006)
7. ^ Estelle Rees Morrison: "You-all and we-all", American Speech 2:133, 1926
p.s. ... HOWDY, Y'all, You-all, Yins (?!?!), Vosotros, Yous Guys!, Whatever!
Y'all, sometimes misspelled as "Ya'll", "Yawl", or "Yaw", and archaically spelled "You-all", is a fused grammaticalization of the phrase "you all". It is used primarily as a plural second-person pronoun, and less often as a singular second-person pronoun. Commonly believed to have originated in the Southern United States, it is primarily associated with Southern American English, African American Vernacular English, and some dialects of the Western United States.[1]
Contents
[hide]
* 1 Usage
* 2 Origin
* 3 Controversy
* 4 References
* 5 See also
[edit] Usage
There are currently six recognized[not in citation given] properties that y'all follows[2]:
1. a replacement for plural you
* Example: "Y'all can use the internet at the same time"
2. an associative plural, including individuals associated but not present with the singular addressee
* Example: "We're free after 10," John says. "Y'all can come over at around 10:30," Chris replies.
o Chris explains to John that he and John's friends, who are not present at the time, can come over at around 10:30. Chris is speaking to John, but treats John as a representative for others (i.e. his friends).
3. an institutional plural addressed to one person representing a group
* Example: "Y'all sell the best candies in the south, Mrs. Jo Jelly."
o Y'all is received by Mrs. Johnson who is the representative of a small candy business
4. an unknown potential referent
* Example: At the sky, Alex yells "Y'all can't beat me!"
o Alex is yelling at an unknown party
5. a form used in direct address in certain contexts (e.g., partings, greetings, invitations, and vocatives)
* Example: "Howdy, Y'all"
o A greeting that addresses a multitude of people without referencing a singular identity comprising that multitude
6. a stylistic choice distinct in tone (e.g., in intimacy, familiarity, and informality)
* Example: "You all look tough, but y'all aren't!"
o Y'all enables a quick three-syllable clause that is easier to say than "but you all aren't."
Y'all is also used in the phrase "all y'all", which is a more inclusive form comparable to "all of you". This can cause some amusement as "all y'all" can be interpreted as "all of you all". Note that we can be used as the first-person analog of y'all for the first three properties listed above.
[edit] Origin
The true origin of the term is uncertain. It is a common belief that y'all was invented by people in the Southern United States as a replacement for "you all" due to its convenience.[citation needed] Rather than say you all, you-uns, you lot, or you guys; y'all may be construed as a single element requiring only one morpheme. However, some argue that the stress pattern of y'all does not favor the contraction you+all because it would likely derive you'll instead of y'all.
Though the you all contraction argument may make sense when considering current-day vernacular, it is prudent to consider the vernacular which existed at the time which y'all was likely invented. By the late 1700s, Scots-Irish immigrants had settled in the Southern United States. It is well established that Scots-Irish immigrants frequently used the term ye aw. [3] Some evidence suggests that y'all could have evolved from ye aw due to the influence of African slaves who may have adapted the Scots-Irish term.[4]
The ye+aw origin may be apparent in a modern-day variation of y'all whereby some put the apostrophe after the 'a' (e.g. ya'll). This suggests that y'all could be a contraction for ya all. This is illustrated in the phrase "Ya'll come back now, ya hear!" in a recent[when? — see talk page] Best Western advertisement. [5]
The evolution of y'all continues today. There appears to be an increasing tendency, especially on the Internet, to spell it without the apostrophe, yall, which if it becomes common usage would make it a standard pronoun, rather like Dutch jullie. [3] HA! Ah repeats HA! Me 'n Uncle Cletus is jest ahead'o the curve on yall!
[edit] Controversy
There is also a long-standing disagreement about whether y'all can have primarily singular reference. While y'all is generally used in the Southern United States as the plural form of "you" a scant but vocal minority (for example, Eric Hyman[6]) argue that the term can be used in the singular. Adding confusion to this issue is that observers attempting to judge usage may witness a single person addressed as y'all if the speaker implies in the reference other persons not present: "Have y'all [you and others] had dinner yet?" (to which the answer would be, "Yes, we have", even though a single person has answered.)
It has been argued by one linguist that the singular y'all is in reality a polite form of address, corresponding to 'vous' in French, 'ustedes' in Spanish, and 'Sie' in German. [7]
H.L. Mencken argued that y'all or you-all cannot have a primarily singular reference, saying this
" is a cardinal article of faith in the South. ... Nevertheless, it has been questioned very often, and with a considerable showing of evidence. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, to be sure, you-all indicates a plural, implicit if not explicit, and thus means, when addressed to a single person, 'you and your folks' or the like, but the hundredth time it is impossible to discover any such extension of meaning."
– H.L. Mencken, The American language : an inquiry into the development of English in the United States, 1948, p.337
[edit] References
1. ^ Bernstein, Cynthia: "Grammatical Features of Southern speech: Yall, Might could, and fixin to". English in the Southern United States, 2003, pp. 106 Cambridge University Press
2. ^ Ching, Marvin K. L.: "Plural You/Y'all Variation by a Court Judge: Situational Use". American Speech - Volume 76, Number 2, Summer 2001, pp. 115-127 Duke University Press
3. ^ Bernstein, Cynthia: "Grammatical Features of Southern Speech: Yall, Might could, and fixin to". English in the Southern United States, 2003, pp. 108-109 Cambridge University Press
4. ^ Lipski, John. 1993. "Y'all in American English," English World-Wide 14:23-56.
5. ^ [1]
6. ^ [2] Hyman, Eric: "The All of You-all", American Speech 81:3(2006)
7. ^ Estelle Rees Morrison: "You-all and we-all", American Speech 2:133, 1926
p.s. ... HOWDY, Y'all, You-all, Yins (?!?!), Vosotros, Yous Guys!, Whatever!
NHdisneylover
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I was an ENglish major/teacher and orginally hail from down south but have NEVER seen y'all discussed in such detail. Too funny
Well, I'm fixin' to watch a movie now so y'all keep postin', ya hear?
bunnyscootles
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Hello! I'm a CSP - or at least I think I'm cool
I'm still getting to know the boards, I didn't even realize you guys were here until I saw "drum corps" and posted!
I'm still getting to know the boards, I didn't even realize you guys were here until I saw "drum corps" and posted!
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I was debating whether or not to say anything since posting on the LGBT forum would mean making a commitment about my sexuality, which I'm not willing to do at the moment.
But what the heck? Hi! I'm Rebecca. Nice to meet you. I'm not sure where I stand, but I honestly don't care. Funny what a couple years of high school can do. 
But what the heck? Hi! I'm Rebecca. Nice to meet you. I'm not sure where I stand, but I honestly don't care. Funny what a couple years of high school can do.
rosiep
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Hello! I'm a CSP - or at least I think I'm cool
I'm still getting to know the boards, I didn't even realize you guys were here until I saw "drum corps" and posted!
Hi! I'm ignorant...what's CSP????
I was debating whether or not to say anything since posting on the LGBT forum would mean making a commitment about my sexuality, which I'm not willing to do at the moment.
No need to commit today..you can look things over and then decide
Welcome all..we're glad you stopped by!!!
OrlandoMike
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CSP = Rosie!
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