College tuition question

[duffy]

What I don't like is censorship.

Then you shouldn't be reading here on the DIS boards. The moderators censor posts all the time, lock threads, delete threads entirely, and ban people...all for things they say.

 

[robinb]

Sounds like you mean socialism to me.
{blah, blah, blah}

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

 

[Missy1961]

Sounds like you mean socialism to me.


Just so you know, political posts & threads are against Dis rules.

 

[Alesia]

Sounds like you mean socialism to me.
An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single
student, but had once failed an entire class.

The class (students) insisted that socialism worked since no one would be
poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said,
"OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism."

"All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so
no one will fail and no one will receive an A."

After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
students who had studied hard were upset while the students who had
studied very little were happy.

But, as the second test rolled around, the students who had studied little
studied even less and the ones who had studied hard decided that since
they couldn't make an A, they also studied less. The second Test average
was a D.

No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average grade was an
F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling, all resulted
in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else.

To their great surprise all failed. The professor told them that socialism
would ultimately fail because the harder people try to succeed the greater
their reward (capitalism) but when a government takes all the reward
away (socialism) no one will try or succeed.

Very rarely is anything you read in a forwarded email true. This is no exception. Not checking sources often makes people appear foolish.

 

[okeydokey]

Sounds like you mean socialism to me.


Just so you know, political posts & threads are against Dis rules.

Since that poster has been around for 5 years, they already know that, but thank you for reminding those new folks who may not know.

 

[Missy1961]

Since that poster has been around for 5 years, they already know that, but thank you for reminding those new folks who may not know.

I figured he/she probably knew, but since it was the 2nd one I saw from them today, I thought maybe they had never read the rules.

 

[horseshowmom]

About three years ago she posted that her daughter desperately wanted an American Girl doll for Christmas. She went on and on about what a good girl she was and how it just broke her heart that she couldn't (because of their desperate financial situation) give her little girl the one thing that she wanted for Christmas.

So some kind, generous person sends her a brand new - still in the box - American Girl doll.

The next thing you know, she's asking where the best place is to sell a brand new - still in the box - American Girl doll. She had the good sense to delete it quickly, but plenty of people (myself included) saw it. Since then she has been more subtle about how she asks for things and (presumably) smarter about reselling them.

The list of things that she has posted about desperately needing but can't afford is as long as my arm: a honey baked ham, Christmas lights, a plane ticket for her daughter, a once in a lifetime trip for her son, etc.

If you want to feel sorry for her, that's fine. Heck, if you want to send her money, that's your business, too. But I think people have a right to know her history.

I agree. Thanks for pointing this out.

The problem is, if those of us who have been around long enough to know what she's doing keep our mouths shut, or ignore her posts, then someone new to Dis is going to get suckered into sending her gifts/money/whatever.

The only way to combat this is to make sure people reading realize that she's a scammer.

And like I said a few pages ago, it must stil work, because she keeps doing it. I think she waits just long enough for there to be a bit of a turnover on the board, in the hopes of snagging someone new before people start pointing out that she's scamming.

It sounds like you've got them pegged all right. Thanks for letting the rest of us know. And, yes, IMHO they should be banned from these boards.

 

[leahjade]

There's no way that a kid could buckle down their senior year and achieve the #1 spot. The kid who already had #1 wasn't going to slack off enough for that to happen. And even if she did, there were 20 kids right behind her with GPAs within .001-.003 points.

You parents are being selfish - why should your child get all the scholarships because he has a high GPA? Shouldn't you be sharing those points with other kids who didn't have all the advantages your child has had? Do you really need a 4.0 GPA? Isn’t that GPA kind of—I don’t know—excessive? Wouldn’t life at your college be fairer and more just if you gave some of your unneeded grade points to another student—a less privileged student—who’s flunking Intro to Psych?

Hey, maybe that student came from a rough background. Maybe he didn’t have the same opportunities that you did. Why not help him out? We’re all compassionate here, are we not?

And while you're at it just because you work 60 hours at your job and another person only works 10 hours, why should they get unequal pay? The fair thing to do would be to average the 70 hours together and split the salary.

 

[davmill]

Congratulations on being a great parent and to your son for all his hard work. As others have stated, the income or funding is calculated in the end result final package, but your son will find the way, as he has the will, and in about four more years, happiness will abound once more at his determination. Good luck!

 

[leahjade]

Like P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

According to Ringling Bros. website and PT Barnum biographers:

There is no proof that Phineas Taylor Barnum ever said, "there's a sucker born every minute." He did, however, say that "every crowd has a silver lining," and acknowledged that "the public is wiser than many imagine."

Who looks foolish now?

 

[eliza61]

Great - then I'd like the $100, please!

LOL. You got it, although don't try to spend it, it's monopoly money.
Send me an address or see your local toysrus.

See how easy that is. and I promise not to say you should be banned or run to the moderator.


I really didn't mean to start a big broohaha, like I said before, I don't have a horse in this race since I don't give to strangers on the internet. and I totally admit to not understanding how people fall for any internet scam. I especially love the one's where some one if London/Africa/Portugal has won hte lottery and all of a sudden want to split the prize with me if I just send them my back account. LOL. Really?

All I can say is if you think she's doing some thing illegal, then by all means report her but don't get mad at her if you fall for the "pity party" as it's been described. She (from this post and this post only) has done nothing illegal, as per the dis. she is not soliciting for any thing but advice. If you read more into it than that, that's totally on you.

 

[MrsPete]

The OP had basically admitted in another post that other posts by her worded in similar fashion had led to "disboard angels" sending her gifts. If it keeps working, she'll keep posting. Does she outright ask? No. But many of us know her basic M.O. whenever an expense or holiday comes up. In the last 3 years nothing has changed in her financial situation but yet she has Directv & cell phone contracts. She obviously likes the pity party.

Or is this like the $5 that the pizza shop owner puts into the tip jar to suggest that patrons toss money in too. Is it a suggestion that other people have paid; thus, it's an okay thing to do? I ask because I have trouble believing that anyone in this day and age is naive enough to send money to people over the internet just because they hear a sob story.

Check this out - on the news the other day - an app for your smart phone to check your food stamp balance!
http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/finance/food-assistance-buddy-pro_bnmhi.html

Just when I think I've heard it all.

All the graduation accolades are wonderful accomplishments but don't do a thing for you when you are actually *in college*.

That being said, we learned some lessons with Kid #1 that we put into practice with Kid #2...

Kid #1 was a NHS inductee and top 10% graduate and had almost a full ride's worth of financial aid due to our family's financial under employment, but had no "skin in the game", had no financial investment herself, and to our shock and dismay chose to play and not work.
Hope that was fun because now this kid is working full time to pay back college loans from that first year, and saving money to go back to college one day.

Kid #2 was in the top 20% but took dual enrollment community college classes in both 11th and 12th grades and earned an associates degree in the process.
Got far less financial aid due to both parents being fully employed but that is okay, we are able to help him out a little financially.

I think the real moral is that high school achievement doesn't necessarily equate to the type of motivation and maturity necessary to "make it" in college. As I think about my own family and friends, I see examples of people who had their educations paid in full, who went on to do very well . . . and people who just didn't take advantage of that opportunity. In contrast, I see examples of people who worked their tails off and did well . . . and people who couldn't balance school and work.

Who's paying the bill certainly plays into the equation, but it's a mistake to think that it's a one-factor predictor of whether the student will succeed in college. I'd put more emphasis on emotional maturity and readiness, and I'd put more emphasis on the student's academic readiness for college.

 

[crisi]

Who's paying the bill certainly plays into the equation, but it's a mistake to think that it's a one-factor predictor of whether the student will succeed in college. I'd put more emphasis on emotional maturity and readiness, and I'd put more emphasis on the student's academic readiness for college.

And if the college - or any college - is the right choice for the person at that moment in time. Not everyone is cut out for college - and not everyone needs it to be successful. And for those cut out for college, not all are cut out for a large state university, some would be better off - even with good grades - at a smaller school - others need to be able to have the diversity of options that a really big school offers. Some kids NEED to be far away from home and friends, forced to reinvent themselves - others fail too far from home because they want home more than school. Some thrive only after a stint in the military or a summer job on a road crew. Some are better off at a tech school or in the military or are perfectly happy driving a truck. Others are natural entrepreneurs and don't need college to be successful.

 

[Kaspar Houser]

The attitude you mention starts early. Check out this thread where folks on the DIS don't want their kids to share crayons or other school supplies: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2958394 .

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ”
― Margaret Thatcher

 

[crashbb]

Here's what I don't get about the posters posting to bash this as socialism (and bash socialism) - the OP's son was given needs based grants to attend the school. He is just as much a beneficiary of "socialism" as the student who now gets some more grant money. If he was fully funding his education (or his parents were) or even if he had only merit based scholarships, and this extra merit based scholarship (this is assuming that there is no needs based part to any of the three extra scholarships) didn't reduce the amount he owed, they might have a point. But, given the scenario, the PP's don't have a point - unless they are saying that the OP's son shouldn't have any of his needs based money.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Very rarely is anything you read in a forwarded email true. This is no exception. Not checking sources often makes people appear foolish.

Right on! I wish people would check sources - it would save them embarrassment.

 

[rantnnravin]

I'm confused...
This post says her oldest is the one who just graduated:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2934391
Is her oldest the drum major in the marching band:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2892199
or does he play saxophone as stated in the OP :

DS graduation this a few weeks ago. He has a great GPA. Did excellent on SAT. He is a AP Scholar with Distinction ( scoring 5 on 4 or more AP exams) and was top of the class.....Valedictorian and all
We are so proud of him.
This year he really put effort into his grades and it really paid off.

The good news is he was accpeted to his first choice college and recieved an awesome package full of grant/scholarships and a small loan. It is guaranteed for all 4 years. We completed the FASA stuff on time and it was calculated (because of our terrible financial situation) that he would be getting the grants.

Now at Graduation it was a total surprise to us, he earn 3 scholarships. A smaller one time one of $200 ish, a National Honor Society on of $500 and an awesome one......$3,000 for all 4 years!!!

Now come the kicker: He must disclose to the school all scholarship monies earned. No problem. However now they are going to re-work (into a set program) his new numbers and the amount of the grants will be reduced thus leaving us having to get a small loan.

Bascially, all the hard work, essays, interviews, etc to earn the scholarships was for not because they are just going to take away funding. We were hoping to use the scholarship money to purchase a required lap top and a saxaphone, as he plans to do marching band. We were hoping to use some of the money to purchase new sneakers, a printer, and possible some much need dorm stuff.
WELL, that is NOT going to happen because they are reducing any grand money.

Is this common? I do not want to appear to be ungrateul at all, but after stuggling finanacially for so long, it looking like college was going to be an great moment in his life.

If anyone has any insight please do pass along.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Marionnette]

I'm confused...
This post says her oldest is the one who just graduated:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2934391
Is her oldest the drum major in the marching band:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2892199
or does he play saxophone as stated in the OP :

Couldn't he both play the saxophone (as in concert band, jazz band, etc.) and still be the marching band's drum major? It pretty much works that way in all of the schools around here. The drum major is always picked from the members of the band and is never a random kid from the general student population.

 

[DawnM]

N/M, found the answer elsewhere

 

[robinb]

Here's what I don't get about the posters posting to bash this as socialism (and bash socialism) - the OP's son was given needs based grants to attend the school. He is just as much a beneficiary of "socialism" as the student who now gets some more grant money. If he was fully funding his education (or his parents were) or even if he had only merit based scholarships, and this extra merit based scholarship (this is assuming that there is no needs based part to any of the three extra scholarships) didn't reduce the amount he owed, they might have a point. But, given the scenario, the PP's don't have a point - unless they are saying that the OP's son shouldn't have any of his needs based money.

Silly rabbit! It's only "socialism" when someone ELSE gets the money. It's EARNED when it's your family or someone you know.