College entrance cheating scandal

[mousefan73]

If Lori Loughlin is found not guilty it’s because of some technical law thing. Well we all know she is guilty of trying to cheat or give her daughters advantage and unfair way now whether that is legal or not is a different question. Fact is her daughters only got into that school because her parents paid or manipulated something and that is what she is guilty of where they legally or not but in the public view guilty. Going the non-guilty route just makes her And her family even more entitled

 

[mousefan73]

Excuse my. Voice to text

 

[Disneylover99]

If Lori Loughlin is found not guilty it’s because of some technical law thing. Well we all know she is guilty of trying to cheat or give her daughters advantage and unfair way now whether that is legal or not is a different question. Fact is her daughters only got into that school because her parents paid or manipulated something and that is what she is guilty of where they legally or not but in the public view guilty. Going the non-guilty route just makes her And her family even more entitled

And not likeable.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Excuse my. Voice to text

I hate it. But I can't figure out how to get a keyboard on my phone, instead of the handwrite/voice to text option.

 

[Cubbiecakes]

I believe this is free of typos.

I quit reading when the font style and size changed. It's as if some Pinterest user tried their hand at motivational posters.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

I read something on FB, I didn't open the link, but thought, "if this is true, I am disgusted!"

It was saying some black woman deliberately sent her son to a better school in a different district, and she was sentenced to 12 years. TWELVE YEARS!!!! If this is true, can we please reserve prison space for real criminals? How did they come up with 12 years for something like that? How did they come up with jail time at all???

 

[bcla]

I read something on FB, I didn't open the link, but thought, "if this is true, I am disgusted!"

It was saying some black woman deliberately sent her son to a better school in a different district, and she was sentenced to 12 years. TWELVE YEARS!!!! If this is true, can we please reserve prison space for real criminals? How did they come up with 12 years for something like that? How did they come up with jail time at all???

The only case I remember was 5 years, where the mom was also serving a concurrent 12 year (7 years suspended) sentence for a drug offense. IHonestly it sounded like the number was simply upped to the prison time the judge wanted to sentence her for the drug conviction.

https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Tanya-McDowell-sentenced-to-5-years-in-prison-3437974.php​

On the two counts of sale of narcotics, the judge then sentenced her to 12 years, suspended after she serves five years and followed by five years probation. The sentence is to run concurrently with a five-year sentence she received in the Norwalk case.​

 

[MillauFr]

I'm not arguing with you. It just wouldn't surprise me, if their high paid lawyer got them a not guilty verdict. I've seen too many rich people get away with worse crimes to expect anything different.

Agreed. Why do people keep thinking the system isn't skewed in rich people's favor? People are not too upset with it though because nothing is done nor does anyone really try to change the system.

 

[MillauFr]

Personally I think the only way to deter this is to take away what gives them their “power”. Felicity should have received a $2mm fine. Lori and her husband should be fined $20mm each and get 6 months in jail.

That is not going to happen. There is no evidence that anything will change. The rich will continue to get special treatment.

 

[MillauFr]

I'm not sure. Prosecution isn't exactly going balls to the wall to punish these people.

Why would anyone expect that these people will be punished? The rich always get special treatment.

 

[MillauFr]

I just think a bit of prison time sends a message to people with wealth that you can’t always buy your way out.

I don't think these cases sends that message at all. All it does it make them more careful. Next time they will cheat legally by making contributions directly to the colleges. Their daughters/sons applications won't be in the same queue as the common folk.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

I don't think these cases sends that message at all. All it does it make them more careful. Next time they will cheat legally by making contributions directly to the colleges. Their daughters/sons applications won't be in the same queue as the common folk.

I think most people who go the route the parents in this case did either don't have the money or don't want to spend the money it takes to buy their kid's way into the college with a donation. It take 10's of millions of dollars to accomplish that. $500,000 or $1,000,000 won't cut it.

 

[bcla]

I don't think these cases sends that message at all. All it does it make them more careful. Next time they will cheat legally by making contributions directly to the colleges. Their daughters/sons applications won't be in the same queue as the common folk.

I don't think that's likely to happen. Part of the reason why many of these parents were going this route because the level of contributions for something like this start at about $10 million.

Much of this was also standardized test fraud, including getting extra time or getting tests corrected by special proctors outside of standard testing locations. I remember taking the SAT at my own high school (which was large test site) although once I took it at a community college. There were hundreds of people taking it the same day. I believe she got a special location where they trusted the special proctor to handle everything without being monitored.

A couple of the schools where coaches were implicated are public and regular donations aren't going to help with admissions. Also the testing fraud (which applied to Huffman) wasn't something that could have been substituted with a donation.

 

[a1tinkfans]

Imho...I’m still Astounded that Loughlin daughter/s, ..allegedly indicate they had no knowledge of cheating to gain entrance .. despite doing a photo shoot to show an Activity that they never participated in??..

And they ve not been charged??
What is the basis/reasoning for that?

I don’t think the prosecutor will offer up a deal to the parents, right now. There’s no need too. Regardless of what some think was a light sentence, Huffman got jail time .. its not unrealistic to think that If they are found guilty, long jail time is on the table and likely.

 

[jdb in AZ]

Imho...I’m still Astounded that Loughlin daughter/s, ..allegedly indicate they had no knowledge of cheating to gain entrance .. despite doing a photo shoot to show an Activity that they never participated in??..

The pics were probably photo-shopped with the DD's faces from pics the parents already had. The younger DD has said she really isn't into classes, just wants the party scene. The hardest part for her was losing a contract for whatever she was endorsing.

Huffman's DD was upset that her mom didn't have enough faith in her for the DD to try to get into college on her own. Then received notice that she wasn't accepted to her first choice -- a college that doesn't use SAT scores. I hope the family counseling will help.

 

[bcla]

Imho...I’m still Astounded that Loughlin daughter/s, ..allegedly indicate they had no knowledge of cheating to gain entrance .. despite doing a photo shoot to show an Activity that they never participated in??..

That really didn't make all that much sense to me, but the photo of her was on a rowing machine, even though she was portrayed as a coxswain (who isn't really a rower). So yeah I could figure that she was asked to just sit on it for some lame reason where she had no idea why.

At USC it was allegedly an assistant athletic director funneling these "recruits" to the coach without specifically meeting them. The other thing is that women's rowing rosters are often really huge to offset the male/female ratio from having football. Men's rowing also isn't specifically an NCAA sport since it was traditionally sanctioned by rowing specific organizations. None of the rowing coaches have been implicated.

 

[bcla]

The pics were probably photo-shopped with the DD's faces from pics the parents already had. The younger DD has said she really isn't into classes, just wants the party scene. The hardest part for her was losing a contract for whatever she was endorsing.

From what I read about it, the photo was just of her daughter sitting on a rowing machine like you'd see in a gym. Not sure exactly what they would have said to get her to do it, but it doesn't sound like she was ever aware of the "athletic recruiting" aspect.

 

[Imzadi]

I posted this back in April. Don't know how current it is for the the reasoning Lori & DH's defense team will be using, especially in light of Felicity's sentence. That she was a customer, not one of the ringleaders perpetrating the crime. AND, as a PP pointed out, the Probationary Board is kind of "Meh!" on the fact that no one really got harmed.

The defense team were possibly going to use the excuse that they hired a consultant to do basically what one does when a celeb decides to donate enough for a new wing of a college, to get their child in to certain colleges. Only Rick Singer had other ways that were cheaper. Just as donating a wing isn't morally right, as it robs some other person of that space in college, it isn't illegal either. They were/are(?) claiming they didn't know what Rick Singer did was illegal either.

The latest on Lori Loughlin & DH's defense and why they haven't taken the plea deal. The case hinges on knowledge & intent of bribery and intention to defraud the university. Their lawyers are arguing that, yes, like about 1600 other parents over many years, they paid Rick Singer $500,000, as a consultant, to get their kids into USC. They are claiming they did NOT know what or how Singer would use that money for, (bribing the coach) or how he would use the photos of the girls posing on rowing machines for. They supposedly just supplied the photos without ever asking what the photos would be used for. They figured he just wanted photos of the girls just being healthy, fit and well rounded, doing activities they may be interested in.

Mossimo did give $100,000 directly to the rowing coach. But he's saying it was to buy sports equipment for the college. That is NOT an illegal activity. As many others here have pointed out, donations to colleges, to buy by a wing named after them, etc., so that the admissions standards are lowered or dropped so their kids get in, is done all the time. They were just doing the same. So, his lawyers are claiming the money went for equipment, not a bribe.

Their defense lawyers are saying there are huge holes for the Prosecution to prove they had knowledge of any bribery. They think they have enough reasonable doubt to get the Lori & Mossimo off.

Here is the blurb from TMZ:

https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/24/lori-loughlin-mossimo-giannulli-college-bribery-scandal-olivia-jade-defense/

 

[disney11fan]

Cheating and stealing is so rampant, is it really a crime?

 

[kaytieeldr]

I posted this back in April. Don't know how current it is for the the reasoning Lori & DH's defense team will be using, especially in light of Felicity's sentence. That she was a customer, not one of the ringleaders perpetrating the crime. AND, as a PP pointed out, the Probationary Board is kind of "Meh!" on the fact that no one really got harmed.

Riiililight. Because that defense works so well in other criminal cases - like receiving stolen merchandise, prostitution...