College entrance cheating scandal

Imzadi

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Well tax evasion gets mob people too.
We literally had a mob boss bumped off yesterday, in NYC. (I know "literally" is a word that tends to be over-used. But this one is for real.) I thought most of the mob crime families were more or less extinct, but apparently they just went underground & stayed under the radar. But, the head of the Gambino crime family (one of the worst mobs,) was still in operation. The mob boss was even hit right in front of his home. (Something which is against the "code" all mobs have with each other.) It was a definite set-up. he was lured out of his house when someone hit his car parked in front of his house. Had he thought he was in any form of danger, he would have never gone out to check out what was going on. The driver opened fire and gunned him down.

Now, you guys have got me thinking, that maybe the timing of all this isn't coincidental. It could also have something to do with more tax evasion. :scratchin And someone wanted the boss gone before any situation he was involved in unraveled like this college scam and the rest of the mob members would be found out? :scratchin

Never a dull moment in the Big Apple.
 
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We literally had a mob boss bumped off yesterday, in NYC. (I know "literally" is a word that tends to be over-used. But this one is for real.) I thought most of the mob crime families were more or less extinct, but apparently they just went underground & stayed under the radar. But, the head of the Gambino crime family (one of the worst mobs,) was still in operation. The mob boss was even hit right in front of his home. (Something which is against the "code" all mobs have with each other.) It was a definite set-up. he was lured out of his house when someone hit his car parked in front of his house. Had he thought he was in any form of danger, he would have never gone out to check out what was going on. The driver opened fire and gunned him down.

Now, you guys have got me thinking, that maybe the timing of all this isn't coincidental. It could also have something to do with more tax evasion. :scratchin And someone wanted the boss gone before any situation he was involved in unraveled like this college scam and the rest of the mob members would be found out? :scratchin

Never a dull moment in the Big Apple.
I saw that on the news. KC, where I live, also has a mob history but you're not really going to hear about it in the news these days. I'm guessing any activity is mostly hush hush versus a lot more main stream/common knowledge back in the day.
 
  • barkley

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    did the parents ask someone to commit a crime? That is my question. Sounds like a case of entrapment. Was any of this the idea of the parents or did they pay a consultant to help their kid get into college, something that is done at every high schools across the country all the time
    Another may have consulted a specified doctor specifically with the intent of obtaining a fraudulent diagnosis in order to facilitate a special proctor, added test time and test answers to be corrected. They were knowingly part of a criminal conspiracy to commit fraud.

    i don't think they can claim being unaware of the fraud b/c the wiretaps indicate that felicity was fully intending to go the same route of claiming the younger daughter has a learning disability/needs accommodations and extra time in order to get the colluding proctor for the sat.....and she only chose not to go that route when the daughter independently scored decently on the psat. there are also wiretaps of conversations wherein the parents are told to instruct their kids to act stupid and slow, pretend not to be as smart as they really are when they go to the doctor for evaluation with the parents agreeing this is the way to go in order to get the accommodations/proctor of choice. if that doesn't smack of parents being totally aware what they were doing was not above board i don't know what does.

    the other issue is with the 'charitable contributions'. if a person is truly making a charitable contribution to what they believe is a valid charity why would they have to have repeated conversations about what kind of cover story they need to have in place if it's questioned by some agency of the government. it either is a charitable organization or it's not, it's either a valid tax write off or it's not-and beyond the personal tax implications, if there's something wonky/illegal about it, then if i'm not a knowing party to the illegality of it there's no reason for me to need a cover story.
     

    Imzadi

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    This seems the worse of the two, yet seems Laughlin is being crucified more on social media and news sites. I guess because her dd is a youtube star.
    According to the legal analyst on ABC, he said being a YouTube star had nothing to do with it. Felicity Huffman "only" paid $15,000 for one set of specific bribes & false test results. Whereas, Lori Loughlin spent an additional $485,000 on many more services and did it for two children. So, yes, what she did is considered worse.


    I was, however, surprised by Felicity Huffman. That one came out of left field.
    Ugh! For me too. Mainly because Felicity is a fellow NYU alumna, as I am. I worked hard work to get my degree at NYU, a private Tier 1 college. Not to be confused with the NY city colleges. I assume Felicity did too? :confused3 And William H. Macy is certainly quite an intelligent guy himself. So why, Why, WHY didn't they pay tutors & specialists to get their kids the proper education to be able to take the tests on their own? :badpc: Apparently the younger one did do well enough to not have to have tests altered & proctors bribed. So, why not help the older daughter the right way? :confused3
     

    mnrose

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    According to the legal analyst on ABC, he said being a YouTube star had nothing to do with it. Felicity Huffman "only" paid $15,000 for one set of specific bribes & false test results. Whereas, Lori Loughlin spent an additional $485,000 on many more services and did it for two children. So, yes, what she did is considered worse.




    Ugh! For me too. Mainly because Felicity is a fellow NYU alumna, as I am. I worked hard work to get my degree at NYU, a private Tier 1 college. Not to be confused with the NY city colleges. I assume Felicity did too? :confused3 And William H. Macy is certainly quite an intelligent guy himself. So why, Why, WHY didn't they pay tutors & specialists to get their kids the proper education to be able to take the tests on their own? :badpc: Apparently the younger one did do well enough to not have to have tests altered & proctors bribed. So, why not help the older daughter the right way? :confused3

    Or better yet, just accept your kid for who they are, rather than trying to make them into something they are NOT. Not everyone is destined for college; even the children of wealthy and well known parents can be "average" with little to no interest in college. It's the national obsession with college being the "right" path....it's not true.
     
  • Magical2017

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    The only thing I can figure is the parents may have faced some pushback in social settings over the years because, despite having substantial wealth, in certain social settings that didn't command the respect of others of equal or greater means and they felt it partially boiled down to not having college degrees. It seems their daughters were routinely rubbing shoulders with the children of non celebrity wealth and privilege. I have a hunch mom and dad were keenly aware of being hangers on in certain social settings where it takes intellect to participate and they thought that the girls wouldn't have to face that with college degrees, even if it only went as deep as a label. How sad they didn't simply take advantage of the tremendous opportunities offered in their high school years at an exclusive private high school.
    I agree with you, but all I can muster for families like these is "wah." I do a lot of work with inner city schools. Many of the children we work with are homeless and facing very tough family situations. I cannot feel much empathy for families who have the means to help their children through honest, legal channels but choose to cheat and buy their way in. The sense of entitlement is staggering.
     

    AustinTink

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    Ugh! For me too. Mainly because Felicity is a fellow NYU alumna, as I am. I worked hard work to get my degree at NYU, a private Tier 1 college. Not to be confused with the NY city colleges. I assume Felicity did too? :confused3 And William H. Macy is certainly quite an intelligent guy himself. So why, Why, WHY didn't they pay tutors & specialists to get their kids the proper education to be able to take the tests on their own? :badpc: Apparently the younger one did do well enough to not have to have tests altered & proctors bribed. So, why not help the older daughter the right way? :confused3
    Yep, I really liked both Felicity and her husband as actors and in interviews. This whole thing just burns me up. We just went through the college application season with my kid a couple years ago and it was hard, very hard. It was gut-wrenching to see him feeling defeated at times. But, you help them scrape themselves up and keep on moving. You don't cheat. Period.
     

    runwad

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    According to the legal analyst on ABC, he said being a YouTube star had nothing to do with it. Felicity Huffman "only" paid $15,000 for one set of specific bribes & false test results. Whereas, Lori Loughlin spent an additional $485,000 on many more services and did it for two children. So, yes, what she did is considered worse.
    It's funny how one's life experiences cause them to view things differently.

    I feel cheating on the test is the worst of the two acts. But because Lori spent more money on her bribes she is considered worse.

    My friend who's kids are horrible test takers sympathize with Felicity and think Lori is more wrong.

    Too bad everyone involved didn't stop and think before they went through with this plot. A lot of lifes are really messed up!
     

    Imzadi

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    I just found this on TMZ Live. (Sorry if someone else already posted this. I haven't read through all 18 pages.) TMZ found an old audition tape made by the college scam ringleader, Rick Singer, where in 2011 he was trying to sell a new reality show on <drum roll> how to get your (rich, entitled) kid into college. The show never sold. :p But, you can see in the video, "He says bluntly, $10 million isn't enough ... it won't even get noticed by the big universities. He explains the pressures of college admission on his clients and makes it clear ... the clients are not just the students but their parents as well."

    Apparently these rich parents need $30-$40 million for a new college wing to be made. :rolleyes:

    Link to watch the video and his sale pitch of how he gets rich, desperate parents to fork over their money: :sad2:

    https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/william-rick-singer-ringleader-reality-show-audition-college-bribery/
     
  • gwynne

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    Also, Hallmark now can't re-air the previous 5 seasons on Hallmark TV or via their app. It was a fan-favorite show for them. That's a lot of revenue for Hallmark to lose. :headache:
    They seem to be working on a way forward plan.
    https://business.facebook.com/whencallstheheart/posts/1154859671341632
    "Hearties, we assure you that Hallmark Channel has no plans to cancel When Calls the Heart. Hope Valley has many more stories left to share and we will let you know the details soon."
     

    gwynne

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    I agree with you, but all I can muster for families like these is "wah." I do a lot of work with inner city schools. Many of the children we work with are homeless and facing very tough family situations. I cannot feel much empathy for families who have the means to help their children through honest, legal channels but choose to cheat and buy their way in. The sense of entitlement is staggering.
    You put it well. I totally agree with you.
     

    justafigment27

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    According to the legal analyst on ABC, he said being a YouTube star had nothing to do with it. Felicity Huffman "only" paid $15,000 for one set of specific bribes & false test results. Whereas, Lori Loughlin spent an additional $485,000 on many more services and did it for two children. So, yes, what she did is considered worse.




    Ugh! For me too. Mainly because Felicity is a fellow NYU alumna, as I am. I worked hard work to get my degree at NYU, a private Tier 1 college. Not to be confused with the NY city colleges. I assume Felicity did too? :confused3 And William H. Macy is certainly quite an intelligent guy himself. So why, Why, WHY didn't they pay tutors & specialists to get their kids the proper education to be able to take the tests on their own? :badpc: Apparently the younger one did do well enough to not have to have tests altered & proctors bribed. So, why not help the older daughter the right way? :confused3
    According to the FBI complaint, they DID have tutors. The second daughter (the more academically inclined of the two, who according to Macy, attended an academically rigorous school) was scoring around 1200 on practice tests with the tutor and they needed scores in the 1400-1500 range in order to be a viable candidate for schools like Georgetown. Felicity said the daughter would want to take the test twice no matter what, so the plan was to let her take the first one at her school on March 9th, 2019 and the second test with Singer's proctor in Hollywood in May 2019. One of Felicity's big concerns about the scheme was that the tutor might get suspicious of her daughter scoring so high on the second test. Singer told her not to worry about it … the tutor would just think she was a great tutor.

    I guess I don't know why the FBI says Macy and Huffman decided not to pursue the scheme for the second daughter … because, in the complaint, they talked about the scheme on (or about) February 13, 2019 and the plans were in motion for the daughter to take the test at her school on March 9th and to take the second test with Singer's guy in Hollywood in May. Singer did joke that if the daughter aced the first test, their whole conversation would be a moot point. BUT if the daughter took the test on March 9th, they still wouldn't know the results of that test and IF they NEEDED to test with Singer's guy in May. So, to me, it kind of just sounds like they still didn't know if they HAD to cheat or not.

    What I really want to know is what this means for the oldest daughter … I believe she's currently a senior and should be in the midst of the whole acceptance/rejection game right now. I think it's safe to say that every one of her letters is going to be a rejection at this point …
     
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    mnrose

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    I just found this on TMZ Live. (Sorry if someone else already posted this. I haven't read through all 18 pages.) TMZ found an old audition tape made by the college scam ringleader, Rick Singer, where in 2011 he was trying to sell a new reality show on <drum roll> how to get your (rich, entitled) kid into college. The show never sold. :p But, you can see in the video, "He says bluntly, $10 million isn't enough ... it won't even get noticed by the big universities. He explains the pressures of college admission on his clients and makes it clear ... the clients are not just the students but their parents as well."

    Apparently these rich parents need $30-$40 million for a new college wing to be made. :rolleyes:

    Link to watch the video and his sale pitch of how he gets rich, desperate parents to fork over their money: :sad2:

    https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/william-rick-singer-ringleader-reality-show-audition-college-bribery/
    Nauseating.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's a college for every kid who wants to go. Relax yourself parents! My freshmen in college twins each applied to ONE school after touring a handful (less than 5 each). They applied early for early decision so they'd have time for back ups if needed. They were both accepted to their one and only place they applied (my son was admitted to a highly selective program where less than 9% of applicants were admitted, so it has nothing to do with selectivity, but rather knowing he was their "model" successful applicant before he even applied!) They are both happy. The stress was virtually non-existent in my home. When I see these parents making spreadsheets and flying around the country with little Johnny or little Suzy, I just shake my head. The stress these kids feel is largely created by their parents!
     

    arminnie

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's a college for every kid who wants to go.
    A friend’s mother used to say “There’s a lid for every pot.” when referring to finding a spouse.

    Car salesmen have a saying “There’s a behind for every seat.” (Except they use a three letter word that is not DIS appropriate).
     

    NotUrsula

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    Actually, the FBI were working on a totally unrelated case of financial fraud. They hadn't had a clue this was going on. But, as they unraveled the other case, this one unfolded. :magnify: :eek: :faint:
    Unfolded right out the mouth of the white-collar felon that they had the goods on. He had heard through the grapevine about the Yale soccer coach taking a bribe to get a kid on the recruitment list, and he offered up the information to try to get his charges reduced. They questioned the coach, who folded immediately and gave up the guy running the scheme, who then agreed to wear a wire, and the rest fell into place from there.
     

    JaxDad

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    Ugh! For me too. Mainly because Felicity is a fellow NYU alumna, as I am. I worked hard work to get my degree at NYU, a private Tier 1 college. Not to be confused with the NY city colleges. I assume Felicity did too? :confused3 And William H. Macy is certainly quite an intelligent guy himself. So why, Why, WHY didn't they pay tutors & specialists to get their kids the proper education to be able to take the tests on their own? :badpc: Apparently the younger one did do well enough to not have to have tests altered & proctors bribed. So, why not help the older daughter the right way? :confused3
    Thanks for using “alumna!” It’s a pet peeve of mine how people so often use “alumni” incorrectly.
     

    MrsPete

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    If I had to guess, the parents will be held accountable by paying a small fine. And since they have the money, it’s not a punishment that’s really going to hurt them. Their kids will remain in their respective schools and it will all blow over and be forgotten.
    To be argumentative ...

    - These parents have broken the law and deserve punishment ... but they aren't violent criminals. How does society benefit from them being incarcerated? Okay, they serve as a warning, but is that valuable enough for taxpayers to support them in prison?
    - Fines would mean nothing to them.
    - I think they should be court-ordered to do something to help public schools /society in general. Build /create /maintain -- and personally work at -- a tutoring center for less-able children?
    Does having a lot of money make you stupid? How could anyone think this method of getting into college is good for their kid, and good for that child's adult life? ...
    I don't think these parents are stupid, but they think they are "above the rules". I doubt they have an end game; they're just thinking of getting their kids into THE SCHOOL. As a high school teacher, I've known plenty of parents who were absolutely rabid to get their kids into THE SCHOOL ... but they didn't have this type of money.
    I read an article that said most of the kids had no clue. How embarrassing to think you got in on merit and turns out nope- mommy and daddy bribed you in. I’m sure some of them (like those getting extra test time) had to know though.
    Again, I'm being argumentative ... suppose you're Mama Criminal. You are CAUGHT, and you know it's going to be bad for you. You can't save yourself, but you CAN say that your kid had no idea, and you can attempt to claim that you acted alone. Wouldn't you do it? Wouldn't you throw that Hail Mary pass and try to save your kid? (Remember, you're answering as Mama Criminal.)
    I actually know two people myself who attended a major state university online and obtained Bachelors degrees but paid other people to do the work for them. It can be done.
    I know people who do that with high school work, but I can't prove it: Mostly it's kids who can't write anything in class, but somehow all assignments (for example papers) that take several days /can be completed outside class are top-quality ... and can't be found online -- and finding plagiarism online is easy: you just pick a sentence (from the middle of the paper) that contains ... unlikely vocabulary or sentence structure, and you'll find it with google quick as anything. Usually it's moms, but occasionally it's girlfriends who do the work. It's not too hard for me to figure out what's happening.

    What I can do about this: I point out to the student that his at-home writing is SUPERB, and I ask why he isn't doing as well on simpler, in-class things like short answers on tests? I might ask, "How is it that you've written this A paper, yet on short in-class writing or on test questions you're not using appropriate subject-verb or even capital letters. Now that I know what you're capable of doing, I expect to see this level of competency on ALL your work!" Doesn't fix what I know he didn't write, but it holds his nose to the grindstone for future work in a way that's uncomfortable for him. I always call home in these situations too, to praise the work /let mom know I expect to see him writing like that in class too.

    Occasionally Mom's writing is sub-par, and she gets PISSED OFF that he didn't earn an A. Occasionally I'll read the work to class as an example of excellent work; I never say WHOSE it is, but it always makes the kid squirm.
    Not always. DD went to school with a girl who cheated her way all the way through high school.
    Hey, I went to high school with that girl! She was a member of the yearbook staff and stayed after school frequently, and she pretty much had the run of the place ... she'd go into the teachers' lounge and steal the mimeograph "back sides" out of the trash can, so she'd have copies of the test ahead of time. She also flat-out took papers from teachers' rooms. I personally saw her with tests. We went to a tiny high school, and all of us students knew it, and -- since she was so thoroughly disliked -- people told teachers what she was doing, but none of them ever believed us /couldn't catch her at it. She flunked out of college in a single year -- she had no background and couldn't do the work. Ha. No sympathy from me.
    I have seen many instances where the parents (usually moms) do most of the coursework for the kids. Obviously testing would be an issue since the student usually must test in person, but the moms writing the papers and doing assignments is usually enough to pass even if the test scores are low. Depending on the courses, there may never be any tests since many professors only assign papers.
    Yep, that's what I was describing above. Alternately, if they're taking a test, kids have a second computer or an ipad handy and look up the answers. The internet has created a wealth of ways for students to cheat. Apple watches are the newest method.

    Years ago I bought a small book about How To Cheat on Tests from a clearance table. I was shocked. Having been a teacher for years, I know all the big ways, but I'd never considered some of those ideas.
    How gullible are the people who watch this garbage. “I just woke up” but she is in full make up. She obviously woke up and put on a lot of eye makeup and then got back in bed to film.
    As a high school teacher, I assure you, this is a teen thing. I don't have to work at looking good. My hair just falls into place like this. No, I'm just wearing a bit of eye shadow. No one believes it.
    I love the "I don't want to sound...." "I don't want to come across..."
    Kind of admitting that she is entitled, bratty, spoiled, ungrateful, etc., she just doesn't want to sound like that in her vlogs.
    There is no way she actually wanted to go to a selective college. If she had generally average ability and all of her parent's money to have tutors, personal athletic coaches, test prep, the best private schools, etc., then she could have achieved high enough to get into USC without the outright cheating IF she had any inclination/motivation towards that.
    When I don't want to sound like an entitled, spoiled, ungrateful brat ... I don't speak like an entitled, spoiled, ungrateful brat. Maybe that's just me.

    As for wanting to attend a selective college, nah. She's not into it. She sounds just like my students who say, "Yes, I am planning to attend a four-year party." Experience tells me that those are the students who end up attending a one-semester /one-year party ... then they flunk out, but my students don't have this kid's money.
    It's all just so disgusting. The thing that especially irks me is that some of these kids "faked" learning disabilities
    Oh, this isn't unique. I've seen it in high school; parents who push to get "extra time" or "breaks during tests". I'm not putting down kids who actually need it /use it ... but some parents manage to get it for their kids "just because". Some try to get it added senior year because kids with IEPs can use them in college too ... advanced registration, skipping over dorm room lottery, etc.
     
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