Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[declansdad]

Oh, geez. Should I take that as a joke, or that you are offended, or what?

I'm very proud to be an American. Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet!

I wouldn't hide it for any reason at all.

If she'd said that people had told her to pretend she was from Mexico, I'd have said the same thing, only using Mexico. And I adore Mexico.

Just making sure you weren't taking a shot at us Canucks.

 

[toto2]

With God, anything is possible!

Joe , you are a fascinating person. You say that with God everything is possible , even the story of Noa with all it's physical inprobability. I can see that you trully abeliver in God , and probably have acceted Jesus as you saviour and everything that goes with it.


At the same time , you are ready to send troops to a foreing country, in a war that killed thousands of people, a lot of them not soldiers. I am not getting into the reasons for the war . You will agree that Your President is a amn of god who very pubicly say that he was born again. Dont you think that , with God , this war could be over. Has God stopped doing those amazing thing once the bible was finished ? Has jesus ever said that christians should wage war and in the process , kill thousands of innocents ? Where has Jesus ever say " you should harrass people with who's lifestyle you dont agree ?". I really dont know how you put it all togheteer in your head.


If The USA is such a Christian nation , and that it's president is such a follower of God , why isin't God listening ?

 

[Disney Doll]

Joe , you are a fascinating person. You say that with God everything is possible , even the story of Noa with all it's physical inprobability. I can see that you trully abeliver in God , and probably have acceted Jesus as you saviour and everything that goes with it.


At the same time , you are ready to send troops to a foreing country, in a war that killed thousands of people, a lot of them not soldiers. I am not getting into the reasons for the war . You will agree that Your President is a amn of god who very pubicly say that he was born again. Dont you think that , with God , this war could be over. Has God stopped doing those amazing thing once the bible was finished ? Has jesus ever said that christians should wage war and in the process , kill thousands of innocents ? Where has Jesus ever say " you should harrass people with who's lifestyle you dont agree ?". I really dont know how you put it all togheteer in your head.


If The USA is such a Christian nation , and that it's president is such a follower of God , why isin't God listening ?

Because isn't a puppeteer up in Heaven pulling strings tomake things happen, nor is He a wizard who waves a magic wand to give us what we want.

People tend to pray for what they want..good health, a loved one not to die, and so on. Then they get "mad" at God when what they want to happen doesn't happen.

The Universe unfolds as it should and according to God's plan. He knows the plan. He knows why things happen the way they do, and why they have to happen the way they do. It's the "big picture" theory. People of faith are able to let go and let God take care of things.

I have found, in my own life, that when I do "let go and let God" that ultimately things turn out OK. It's when I try to run the show that I get into trouble. Again, my personal experience. I wouldn't speak for anyone else.

 

[Saxsoon]

First may I consider a typing class, no offense, it just gets distracting while reading a post. Second, the bible is interpreted in many ways. We are only human, and have human desires caused by sin. NO religion's followers are perfect, nothing and no one is. No matter what good comes of something, an evil will also come from it. I will admit that Christianity is taken to far when it comes to people thinking it is what God wants (i.e. the Crusades) I know for a fact, that in the bible, that is a list that God says not to do when it comes to sex, and those of the same sex is forbidden. So there is no misinterpretation there that the Christians just came up with. And I guess that famous saying suffices.

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

 

[toto2]

...and at that time , God probably created incest , because Eve only had sons , , according to the bible... So these sons probably slept with there mother in order to create the human race.

And if I follow you well DineyDoll , It is then Gos plan that all these innocent people in Irak are being killed , and God wanted Hitler to do what he did , and God planned the genocide in Rwanda....And God gave the Atom bomb first to the Usa , so that they could Nuke Japan. That is , if everything is infolding according to Gods plan.

 

[cardaway]

...and at that time , God probably created incest , because Eve only had sons , , according to the bible... So these sons probably slept with there mother in order to create the human race.

And if I follow you well DineyDoll , It is then Gos plan that all these innocent people in Irak are being killed , and God wanted Hitler to do what he did , and God planned the genocide in Rwanda....And God gave the Atom bomb first to the Usa , so that they could Nuke Japan. That is , if everything is infolding according to Gods plan.

They don't like it when you point out the plot holes.

 

[Saxsoon]

See there is this little thing called free will. It's not like he forced Hitler to cause the Holocaust. Or have the U.S. go and destroy two Japanese cities, that if I remember correctly are still uninhabitable. He created free will so he can't force us to love him, because love can't come from mindless robots.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

See there is this little thing called free will. It's not like he forced Hitler to cause the Holocaust. Or have the U.S. go and destroy two Japanese cities, that if I remember correctly are still uninhabitable. He created free will so he can't force us to love him, because love can't come from mindless robots.

What ever happened to just having faith in the religion of your choice? Is it wrong these days to just say that you believe and end it there?
If you read through the Bible, there are plenty of contridictions in it, but your faith is what holds it all together. To a rational non-religious person, it is immpossible to have "free will" if a omniscient Creator set a master plan for the world. Basically, if we truly had free will, we'd be able to do things that God could not forsee. With all the people in the world, God would be clueless to what would happen next.
It's kind of like the Christians who want to debate Creation in scientific terms...is it so wrong to say that you have faith in Christ and be done with it, instead of trying to bring science into the Bible? In the end, those kind of arguments only serve to cheapen Christianity and the tenets of your faith.

 

[eclectics]

Or have the U.S. go and destroy two Japanese cities, that if I remember correctly are still uninhabitable.

The current population of Hiroshima is 2,878,915 and Nagasaki is 1,516,536.

 

[JennyMominRI]

...and at that time , God probably created incest , because Eve only had sons , , according to the bible... So these sons probably slept with there mother in order to create the human race.

.

Accoring the Jewish Midrash Can and Abel each had twin sister,which they married..Still incest of course

 

[toto2]

Accoring the Jewish Midrash Can and Abel each had twin sister,which they married..Still incest of course

You make me feel like an old person repeting himself: we had this part of conversation awhile back !

 

[diz_prncez]

Well I havent read the whole thread (as it is quite long), but it seems that it has taken a slight turn off topic. I just wanted to comment on the original topic though.

It deeply saddens me that so many people think it is ok for this girl to go on a crusade for the right to harrass a group of people. What kind of person puts so much effort into being horribly cruel to other people, simply becasue you don't agree with them? That is just awful.

If the girl was asking for the right to harrass Asians or children with disabilities, for instance, people would not even be giving her the time of day. It should be no different for homosexuals. It is not fair to allege that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. How in the **** do they know? Do they have scientific proof of that? If some people would stop being so ethnocenteric and educate themselves on the topic BEFORE they make so many judgements and assumptions, they might come to realize exactly how ignorant they were being. If some people would open their eyes and ears they may learn that many homosexuals do not really want to be gay. Infact, most have probably gone through times in their lives when they wanted nothing more than to be straight, so they wouldn't have to deal with all of the discrimination. Highest suicide rates = homosexual teens. Why, because they chose to be gay? HUGE numbers of gay men have actually married women and had children because they wanted so badly to be "normal." They supress their feelings and identity to fit in. That is sad to me. They should not have to do that.

A family member that I have known very well since his birth happens to be gay. I will tell you that CLEARLY this person was BORN GAY. Really, clearly. And not a single person here can say otherwise because they were not there and they cannot even begin to prove the "choice" theory. My family member is a wonderful person and does not deserve to have horrible people like this girl treat him badly.

What sort of request is it to be allowed to harrass people anways? I mean really...WFT?????

 

[toto2]

See there is this little thing called free will. It's not like he forced Hitler to cause the Holocaust. Or have the U.S. go and destroy two Japanese cities, that if I remember correctly are still uninhabitable. He created free will so he can't force us to love him, because love can't come from mindless robots.

But those incredible things like the Holocost , 9/11 , The genocide in Rwanda , Pinochet dictature etc keep on comming. So if history is going on as Gods plan , but those things happened because humans has free will , but with God everything is possible , and The Usa is a Christian nation...and I get lost in all these contradictions that all seem to be trying to be an exuse or an explication of the other. If someting good happens : it God Plan. When kartina happens , it God's plan , when Maria Carey wins a Grammy , it God's plan, when Hitlers comes along , it,s free will . When you are gay , it,s free will , when you want to harrass gay people , it's God will ( this last sentence is my attempt to bring this back on subject , wich I must confess I took of subject)

 

[MouseWorshipin]

What ever happened to just having faith in the religion of your choice? Is it wrong these days to just say that you believe and end it there?

It appears so.

 

[FlowersChild]

Well I havent read the whole thread (as it is quite long), but it seems that it has taken a slight turn off topic. I just wanted to comment on the original topic though.

It deeply saddens me that so many people think it is ok for this girl to go on a crusade for the right to harrass a group of people. What kind of person puts so much effort into being horribly cruel to other people, simply becasue you don't agree with them? That is just awful.

If the girl was asking for the right to harrass Asians or children with disabilities, for instance, people would not even be giving her the time of day. It should be no different for homosexuals. It is not fair to allege that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. How in the **** do they know? Do they have scientific proof of that? If some people would stop being so ethnocenteric and educate themselves on the topic BEFORE they make so many judgements and assumptions, they might come to realize exactly how ignorant they were being. If some people would open their eyes and ears they may learn that many homosexuals do not really want to be gay. Infact, most have probably gone through times in their lives when they wanted nothing more than to be straight, so they wouldn't have to deal with all of the discrimination. Highest suicide rates = homosexual teens. Why, because they chose to be gay? HUGE numbers of gay men have actually married women and had children because they wanted so badly to be "normal." They supress their feelings and identity to fit in. That is sad to me. They should not have to do that.

A family member that I have known very well since his birth happens to be gay. I will tell you that CLEARLY this person was BORN GAY. Really, clearly. And not a single person here can say otherwise because they were not there and they cannot even begin to prove the "choice" theory. My family member is a wonderful person and does not deserve to have horrible people like this girl treat him badly.

What sort of request is it to be allowed to harrass people anways? I mean really...WFT?????

That was very well said.

 

[Disney Doll]

They don't like it when you point out the plot holes.

You are the same person who implies in many of your posts on this thread and others that religious folks are exclusionary, aren't you????

But your statement above doesn't strike you as exclusionary or antagonistic or anything other than absolutely OK because you want to say it, right? You're making it an "us against them" thing, not me. I am not a "they". I am a person who happens to believe differently than you. I have not tried to jam anything down anyone's throat, I have not said my way is better than anyone else's way. I have answered questions raised based on my beliefs, and have clearly stated that these are my beliefs.

You know what? My beliefs assist me in living my life the way I think it should be lived. They assist me in dealing with the disappointments that arise in my life. They help me. So if you don't agree with them, then don't practice them. But what difference does it make to you what I believe, that you feel the need to try and poke "holes" in it? Is what I believe going to affect your life in any way whatsoever? I don't think so.

So, be smug, be superior, be whatever you feel you need to be in order to feel better about yourself and your choices. I don't particularly need nor do I want your approval for my choices, nor, quite frankly, do I feel the need to share anymore with someone whose lack of respect for (and notice I said respect for and not agreement with...and there is a difference) for my choices is obvious.

I wish you well.

 

[Saxsoon]

That is a well written post Disney Doll as well as dzprncez.

Cardaway, may suggest a series of books that were written by a Born again Christian (Lee Strobel)that was atheist I believe. He took a story (he worked for a newspaper) about Christianity, and the deeper he dug, the more proof he found validifying Christ and God. Enough to the point where his entire life changed. His books are called The Case for Christ, The Case for God, and the Case for Easter. There may be a few others, I am not sure. If anything else, they are a very interesting read, and gives very convincing evidence on the side of Christianity.

 

[JennyMominRI]

That is a well written post Disney Doll as well as dzprncez.

Cardaway, may suggest a series of books that were written by a Born again Christian (Lee Strobel)that was atheist I believe. He took a story (he worked for a newspaper) about Christianity, and the deeper he dug, the more proof he found validifying Christ and God. Enough to the point where his entire life changed. His books are called The Case for Christ, The Case for God, and the Case for Easter. There may be a few others, I am not sure. If anything else, they are a very interesting read, and gives very convincing evidence on the side of Christianity.

I've reada couple of those,and I wan't convinced at all

 

[goofy's friends]

That is a well written post Disney Doll as well as dzprncez.

Cardaway, may suggest a series of books that were written by a Born again Christian (Lee Strobel)that was atheist I believe. He took a story (he worked for a newspaper) about Christianity, and the deeper he dug, the more proof he found validifying Christ and God. Enough to the point where his entire life changed. His books are called The Case for Christ, The Case for God, and the Case for Easter. There may be a few others, I am not sure. If anything else, they are a very interesting read, and gives very convincing evidence on the side of Christianity.

I have suggested the books before. I would love for Cardaway to read them and then come back to the discussion. There is also Case for the Creator (since he was talking about science and religion not mixing). They are very interesting reads for anyone with an open mind. He is an investigative reporter and set out to prove Christianity a lie and became so overwhelmingly convinced that he became a Christian and wrote books to share what he learned.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

You are the same person who implies in many of your posts on this thread and others that religious folks are exclusionary, aren't you????

But your statement above doesn't strike you as exclusionary or antagonistic or anything other than absolutely OK because you want to say it, right? You're making it an "us against them" thing, not me. I am not a "they". I am a person who happens to believe differently than you. I have not tried to jam anything down anyone's throat, I have not said my way is better than anyone else's way. I have answered questions raised based on my beliefs, and have clearly stated that these are my beliefs.

You know what? My beliefs assist me in living my life the way I think it should be lived. They assist me in dealing with the disappointments that arise in my life. They help me. So if you don't agree with them, then don't practice them. But what difference does it make to you what I believe, that you feel the need to try and poke "holes" in it? Is what I believe going to affect your life in any way whatsoever? I don't think so.

So, be smug, be superior, be whatever you feel you need to be in order to feel better about yourself and your choices. I don't particularly need nor do I want your approval for my choices, nor, quite frankly, do I feel the need to share anymore with someone whose lack of respect for (and notice I said respect for and not agreement with...and there is a difference) for my choices is obvious.

I wish you well.

I don't think most people who don't believe in God have this attitude, but there are a few vocal ones who do.

It seems like they feel (and correct me if I'm wrong here) that their non-beliefs make them more intelligent than people who have faith. Because they are ever-so-much smarter than we, they feel it is their right (almost their duty) to put us in our place and insult us.

I've never seen Jenny say, "Everyone should be a Jew," and you've never heard me say that I wanted someone to convert (except for Sylvester, may he RIP, and that was a joke). But the irreligious sit upon their thrones passing judgement, tossing out insults, laughing at others, and slapping each other on the backs. They will not rest (or behave themselves) until they have converted, or educated, everyone else.

I've heard a few comments I consider offensive from the religious folks on this board, but not nearly the amount I've heard from the non-religious.

They are wrong, of course. They aren't any smarter. They aren't any more special. They are just ruder. And if I were in any way on the fence about whether or not I believed in God, I'd certainly pick the side of the people who are nice, just because I'd rather have them for friends.

Now watch, after how many? pages of religious people taking insults - when we stand up say we're tired of it, the thread will get closed.