Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[toto2]

Well , i hope I dont come off as one of the rude ones ! I always like a religious discussion.

By the way , there is a lot of litterature about evolution , that has been written during the last century , by people who perfected the studies of Darwin. But we dont tend to read them because it is science after all , and it's language , while being english ( or in my cas french) it looks like a foreign language . Science is..complicated , like engeneering or brain surgery. it does not give a lot of comfort to our soul, and often contradic a lot of our beliefs. So while you nicely offer relious reading to non believers , do comfront your belief with serious science about evolution ? Not just what we remember from high school science , but the latest discovery. ( I am no better than anyone else , I dont read them either)

I think that the real test of one's faith would be to understand those scientific facts , and still be a beliver. I know I dont belive , and that life is full of mysteries. But there were a lot more mysteries last year , last century and 2000 yeras ago. And we will find more awsers and more mysteries as we go ahead. I dont judge ( getting back at the sounding rude part) religious people. i might judge some of there acts , or some of there words , but not them selfs

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Most religious people believe that Earth was created by God and the scientists explain how it was done.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Most religious people believe that Earth was created by God and the scientists explain how it was done.

And lets remember,the Catholic CHurch believes in and does not object to the teaching of evolution.

 

[toto2]

Most religious people believe that Earth was created by God and the scientists explain how it was done.

I guess I was trying to answer the quote about Adam and Eve , not adam and Steve...

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I guess I was trying to answer the quote about Adam and Eve , not adam and Steve...

I know. I think I'm on fire this afternoon.

Re: Adam & Eve...I'm not even going there. What a tired expression. If you spend enough time hating a group of people, come up with a new slogan every 20 or 30 years, for crying out loud!

 

[Disney Doll]

And lets remember,the Catholic CHurch believes in and does not object to the teaching of evolution.

I have always believed that the teaching of evolution and creation could go hand in hand.

The Bible says "On the first day..." and so on. But who knows what a "day" was in God's time? When we humans read the word "day", we think 24 hours. But perhaps a "day" to God was 1 million years, or 5 million years, or whatever. Which would make creation and evolution much more compatible in theory.

Just like the recent firestorms over Jesus and Mary Magdalene possibly being married. This wouldn't shock me, nor would it change my faith. Jesus was God made into a human form. As a human, He very well may have had the desire to wed someone He loved. Why is that so hard to believe? And why would it change the fact that He died for our salvation, according to my beliefs?

And then there's the Gospel of Judas...another recent development. Well, so Judas may not have been a betrayer, as was originally thought. He was doing what he was told, he was taking his part in God's plan for Jesus to have to be crucified for our sins. The bottom line is that ultimately, my belief is that Jesus had to die for our sins, and he did. It's less about the journey than it is the destination, IMHO.

Anyhow, these are my beliefs, some of my thoughts on the subject.

I thank those of you who are respectful of my beliefs. I try to be respectful of yours, and hope that my postings reflect that.

 

[Saxsoon]

Actually Doll, I agree with you on the subject of evolution. Also do you have a link to this gospel of Judas, I have not heard of this, I am somewhat interested.

 

[Disney Doll]

I don't have a link, but there was a thread on here not too long ago (within the last 2 weeks probably) that addressed it.

 

[toto2]

Actually Doll, I agree with you on the subject of evolution. Also do you have a link to this gospel of Judas, I have not heard of this, I am somewhat interested.

There was a special show on National geographic TV and there will be a special Issue of National geographic about it !

 

[TheBellhop]

Actually Doll, I agree with you on the subject of evolution. Also do you have a link to this gospel of Judas, I have not heard of this, I am somewhat interested.

You really should look up more info on gnostics to understand what the Gospel of Judas is. It's not exactly related to Christianity.

 

[cardaway]

You are the same person who implies in many of your posts on this thread and others that religious folks are exclusionary, aren't you????

But your statement above doesn't strike you as exclusionary or antagonistic or anything other than absolutely OK because you want to say it, right? You're making it an "us against them" thing, not me. I am not a "they". I am a person who happens to believe differently than you. I have not tried to jam anything down anyone's throat, I have not said my way is better than anyone else's way. I have answered questions raised based on my beliefs, and have clearly stated that these are my beliefs.

You know what? My beliefs assist me in living my life the way I think it should be lived. They assist me in dealing with the disappointments that arise in my life. They help me. So if you don't agree with them, then don't practice them. But what difference does it make to you what I believe, that you feel the need to try and poke "holes" in it? Is what I believe going to affect your life in any way whatsoever? I don't think so.

So, be smug, be superior, be whatever you feel you need to be in order to feel better about yourself and your choices. I don't particularly need nor do I want your approval for my choices, nor, quite frankly, do I feel the need to share anymore with someone whose lack of respect for (and notice I said respect for and not agreement with...and there is a difference) for my choices is obvious.

First of all, I wasn't adressing you. When somebody quotes something as I did they are typically adressing their comment to the person they quoted, as I am doing now.

Secondly, nice rant, but it had nothing to do with what my comment was speaking to.

I usually ignore your posts because they come off so smug. If you're not using different fonts or colors (because for whatever reason you seem to think your posts should stand out from the others) you go on for paragraphs with sentance after sentance going on about how you're superior... just like that last post... pot meet kettle.

If anybody wants to make the case that it's the non-Christians causing the problems make your case. I'll show you multiple user names of Chrisitan folks who were VERY rude and seem to be banned. I'll show you many, many, sarcastic posts by folks still here that were totally uncalled for. I'll show you bible quote after bible quote specifically selected to make slams against others.

Pretty smug to try and pass it all off on me and other non-Christians.

 

[DisDarling]

Everyone has a right to free speech-

 

[Disney Doll]

First of all, I wasn't adressing you. When somebody quotes something as I did they are typically adressing their comment to the person they quoted, as I am doing now.

Secondly, nice rant, but it had nothing to do with what my comment was speaking to.

I usually ignore your posts because they come off so smug. If you're not using different fonts or colors (because for whatever reason you seem to think your posts should stand out from the others) you go on for paragraphs with sentance after sentance going on about how you're superior... just like that last post... pot meet kettle.

If anybody wants to make the case that it's the non-Christians causing the problems make your case. I'll show you multiple user names of Chrisitan folks who were VERY rude and seem to be banned. I'll show you many, many, sarcastic posts by folks still here that were totally uncalled for. I'll show you bible quote after bible quote specifically selected to make slams against others.

Pretty smug to try and pass it all off on me and other non-Christians.

My goodness, you do like to dish it out, but can't take it quite as well, can you??

You missed the point entirely, and, quite frankly, I am done beating this dead horse.

How about you and I agree to disagree?

I'll ignore your smug posts and you can ignore mine, OK?

You live your life according to the way you see fit, and I'll do the same.

We'll both be much happier that way, & we won't hijack this thread anymore than we already have.

PS-Hope you like my color choice this time. I picked it especially for you!!!!

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

But those incredible things like the Holocost , 9/11 , The genocide in Rwanda , Pinochet dictature etc keep on comming. So if history is going on as Gods plan , but those things happened because humans has free will , but with God everything is possible , and The Usa is a Christian nation...and I get lost in all these contradictions that all seem to be trying to be an exuse or an explication of the other. If someting good happens : it God Plan. When kartina happens , it God's plan , when Maria Carey wins a Grammy , it God's plan, when Hitlers comes along , it,s free will . When you are gay , it,s free will , when you want to harrass gay people , it's God will ( this last sentence is my attempt to bring this back on subject , wich I must confess I took of subject)

God's plans are for good and not for evil. His Will is written in His Word.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

...and at that time , God probably created incest , because Eve only had sons , , according to the bible... So these sons probably slept with there mother in order to create the human race.

I guess under evolution there was beastiality.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Joe , you are a fascinating person. You say that with God everything is possible , even the story of Noa with all it's physical inprobability. I can see that you trully abeliver in God , and probably have acceted Jesus as you saviour and everything that goes with it.


At the same time , you are ready to send troops to a foreing country, in a war that killed thousands of people, a lot of them not soldiers. I am not getting into the reasons for the war . You will agree that Your President is a amn of god who very pubicly say that he was born again. Dont you think that , with God , this war could be over. Has God stopped doing those amazing thing once the bible was finished ? Has jesus ever said that christians should wage war and in the process , kill thousands of innocents ? Where has Jesus ever say " you should harrass people with who's lifestyle you dont agree ?". I really dont know how you put it all togheteer in your head.


If The USA is such a Christian nation , and that it's president is such a follower of God , why isin't God listening ?

Yes to Noah!

We are fighting to protect the innocent -- yes to that too!

No to harrassment. No to condoning immoral lifestyles. Repentence comes through God's love and through those who walk in it.

 

[cardaway]

My goodness, you do like to dish it out, but can't take it quite as well, can you??

The difference is that unlike you and others I don't dish it out and then claim I don't. A trend that really seems to be getting out of hand. If everybody claims it's only everybody else then nobody gets anywhere.

 

[toto2]

God's plans are for good and not for evil. His Will is written in His Word.

But this answere is an awser to evrything and nothing at the same time. On political thread , you spend a lot of time defending this american administration , with a lot of analisys of the situation , and why your country is doing war etc , but on some other things , the only analysis we get from you is "with God , everything is possible" or "Is will is written in his word". being religious and a beliver should not keep us from using basic psychology , physics or science. When we dont understand something , or need comforting , I agree that a higher power can be usefull , but it should not be an excuse for not "digging" into something. it is very easy to say that God does not want to have gay people when we dont even try to understand what it means to be gay. It is very comforting ( and easy) to anwser to every post about gay people: His will is written in his word. Life ,unfortunatly, is way more complicated than those type of premade sentence that get us out of every situation.

And , I will just add that this is not an Attack on christianity I am making. On TV yesterday was a Jesuit monk who is an astrophysician. While I am not a beliver , as I said before , I think that science and religion are not ennemies , as some christians would believe. Both seel answers on different and sometime the same questions.

 

[Disney Doll]

The difference is that unlike you and others I don't dish it out and then claim I don't. A trend that really seems to be getting out of hand. If everybody claims it's only everybody else then nobody gets anywhere.

Which part of my post did you not understand?
The horse is dead. Stop beating it.

 

[goofygirl]