Chris Matthews remark????

[SwedishMeatball]

I'll bet Joe Biden would support Chris's remark.

 

[luvmy3]

Is the word 'outsource' racist because the US outsources so much business to India. Is that racist? I don't get it. If you think that is racist, then you have to ask all those posters that refer to Obama's middle name. Since it is used to associate him with America's once Enemy #1 Saddam Hussein. So, if Matthews is racist - how many are racist post on these boards - more commonly in the conservative thread? I'm really interested in hearing an answer for this one. I'd like to know how the two are different. Obama's middle name is Hussein and Jindal's family is from India.

Here is the video of the 'outsource' comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpHRdf8xVxg

Actually the context Matthews used the word was not racist. In the right context it could be used as a way to show bigotry toward Indian people.
I see using the stereotypical things of one ethnic group or race to describe them in a negative way as racist or bigoted. I do not see how using part of Obama's own name to compare him to another individual in the same way, no matter the intent. I do however see it as childish

 

[Magic Mom]

Is the word 'outsource' racist because the US outsources so much business to India. Is that racist? I don't get it. If you think that is racist, then you have to ask all those posters that refer to Obama's middle name. Since it is used to associate him with America's once Enemy #1 Saddam Hussein. So, if Matthews is racist - how many are racist post on these boards - more commonly in the conservative thread? I'm really interested in hearing an answer for this one. I'd like to know how the two are different. Obama's middle name is Hussein and Jindal's family is from India.

Here is the video of the 'outsource' comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpHRdf8xVxg

Honestly....I think most of the people on the DIS that use his middle name do it because its drives the Dems here nuts. Pot stirring. The same posters that do it, chime in with disapproval on threads that demonstrate real racism (for instance the watermelon thread this morning.)
Matthews isn't a true racisit, but he let his bizarre hatred for conservatives get the best of him and he said something ugly and bigoted. As I said before he is a smart man and chooses his words carefully. He knew the implication, an if he didn't he doesn't belong on a national news program.

 

[yeartolate]

Actually the context Matthews used the word was not racist. In the right context it could be used as a way to show bigotry toward Indian people.
I see using the stereotypical things of one ethnic group or race to describe them in a negative way as racist or bigoted. I do not see how using part of Obama's own name to compare him to another individual in the same way, no matter the intent. I do however see it as childish

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

 

[djm99]

Actually the context Matthews used the word was not racist. In the right context it could be used as a way to show bigotry toward Indian people.
I see using the stereotypical things of one ethnic group or race to describe them in a negative way as racist or bigoted. I do not see how using part of Obama's own name to compare him to another individual in the same way, no matter the intent. I do however see it as childish

I don't have a problem with what you are saying, I'll even bite the bullet and say I agree. Especially if Matthews was talking about jobs - yes I'd say he was being racist. That’s the only negative connotation ‘outsourcing’ has – in regards to jobs. But this thread has me thinking. When Obama's middle name is being used - why are Cons using it? To associate him with terrorist/Muslim, etc. Isn't that racist - to assume that all people name Hussein (or with a Muslim name) is terrorist? Prejudice at the very least. Ummmmmmm

 

[wonderlanne]

I don't have a problem with what you are saying, I'll even bite the bullet and say I agree. Especially if Matthews was talking about jobs - yes I'd say he was being racist. That’s the only negative connotation ‘outsourcing’ has – in regards to jobs. But this thread has me thinking. When Obama's middle name is being used - why are Cons using it? To associate him with terrorist/Muslim, etc. Isn't that racist - to assume that all people name Hussein (or with a Muslim name) is terrorist? Prejudice at the very least. Ummmmmmm

no; muslim isn't a race, nor is terrorist.

 

[luvmy3]

I don't have a problem with what you are saying, I'll even bite the bullet and say I agree. Especially if Matthews was talking about jobs - yes I'd say he was being racist. That’s the only negative connotation ‘outsourcing’ has – in regards to jobs. But this thread has me thinking. When Obama's middle name is being used - why are Cons using it? To associate him with terrorist/Muslim, etc. Isn't that racist - to assume that all people name Hussein (or with a Muslim name) is terrorist? Prejudice at the very least. Ummmmmmm

In all honesty I just assumed they refered to him in that way to show a comparison of Sadam, at the same time getting under the skin of the OS, but after reading your words I guess it got me thinking. If they mean in it the way you describe, then yes I could see where you are coming from, so I can't disagree with your last sentence.

 

[snarlingcoyote]

As far as outsourcing. . .I'm in IT management and when I hear someone say something has to be outsourced, or something should be outsourced, I don't immediately think of India. India is where a lot of companies do go for data entry, helpdesk and customer support service, because India has a relatively low standard living and a relatively large pool of well-educationed English speakers. But that's 3 fields. For example if someone said "we want to outsource our data retention storage" I'd think of Iron Mountain. If someone said "we might start outsourcing our branch IT services" I'd think they were going to a US based IT support company. If I heard "Well. . .we thought about building our own web presence, but in the end we outsourced that sucker." I wouldn't have a clue where in the world your "outsourced" company was from. Could be India, could be Ireland, could be Austin or San Antonio or California or Massachusetts or heck, it could even be Indiana or somewhere really godforsaken without much of a technology base. (My apologies to Indiana. I'm sure you have some really lovely technology folks in Indiana, however, that's not one of the states you think of as being big in tech.)

The point is, it's kind of, well. . .a little old-fashioned to think that outsourcing is an India thing. Maybe 10 years ago. Heck, even 5 years ago. But now? Not so much. The Indians have built up their tech centers and Bangalore is as much a tech powerhouse as Massachusetts these days; they're not just people who speak good English that you can pay cheaply, anymore. And, more to the point, the dollar is not nearly as strong as it was 8 years ago, so in some cases, outsourcing makes a lot more sense when it's done within the US, sourcing from a high cost of living region to a low cost of living region or in other ways.

ETA: I do understand why people think "India" when they hear someone say "outsource". But it's a misnomer these days!

 

[Charade]

It's an ethnic group like Irish Americans, but not a race. The comment was in bad taste but its not racist.

What race do the Irish belong to?

 

[Charade]

Yeah, it was inappropriate. But I'm having a really hard time summoning any outrage given the absolute BS that President Obama has endured from the right-wing media wingnuts. I'm not saying that excuses it, but when "your guy" has been the target of a lot of completely inappropriate outright lies and innuendos, you don't have an easy time feeling bad when it happens to someone on the other team.

I guess you were out of town the last 8 years. You gotta lot of catching up to do.

 

[wonderlanne]

I guess you were out of town the last 8 years. You gotta lot of catching up to do.

 

[travelbug]

I guess you were out of town the last 8 years. You gotta lot of catching up to do.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

Honestly....I think most of the people on the DIS that use his middle name do it because its drives the Dems here nuts. Pot stirring. The same posters that do it, chime in with disapproval on threads that demonstrate real racism (for instance the watermelon thread this morning.)
Matthews isn't a true racisit, but he let his bizarre hatred for conservatives get the best of him and he said something ugly and bigoted. As I said before he is a smart man and chooses his words carefully. He knew the implication, an if he didn't he doesn't belong on a national news program.

Didn't realize that Matthews actually 'hated' conservatives. As a conservative, I strongly disagree with most Dem positions and have no problem pointing up hypocracies, but don't feel 'hate' for any of them. It is quite unfortunate that someone in our media is spewing hate.

 

[FayeW]

I think it was a tasteless, classless, stupid thing to say, and Chris Matthews should be ashamed of himself.

Remarks such as that do real damage to the credibility of the speaker.

 

[Charade]

I think it was a tasteless, classless, stupid thing to say, and Chris Matthews should be ashamed of himself.

Remarks such as that do real damage to the credibility of the speaker.

But there is a difference. Most of the time people like Matthews get a pass with little backlash. Limbaugh on the other hand...

 

[FayeW]

But there is a difference. Most of the time people like Matthews get a pass with little backlash. Limbaugh on the other hand...

Apparently not this time.

I don't watch Chris Matthews or listen to Rush. I get all my juicy tidbits from the DIS or Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert. From what I've seen, I don't think either party has a monopoly on stupid, racist, sexist or inappropriate talking heads.

 

[Goofycampers]

Apparently not this time.

I don't watch Chris Matthews or listen to Rush. I get all my juicy tidbits from the DIS or Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert. From what I've seen, I don't think either party has a monopoly on stupid, racist, sexist or inappropriate talking heads.

ita

 

[Tigger Woods]

Matthews is a liberal version of Hannity. Knowing that, nothing he says surprises me.