Chris Kyle has been killed!!!!!

[donaldlovesdaisy]

I disagree. He was an idiot - lets take someone struggling with PTSD to a SHOOTING range?! Have we not learned that mental illness and firearms do not go together?

I do not believe he will rest in peace.

Well since you obviously have no first hand experience at dealing with a solider who is suffering from PTSD you would also not understand the different forms of therapy being use to deal with these symptoms. The shooter was not your typical crazy man dealing with some genetic form of mental illness and as far as I am concerned he is just as much a victim as Kyle. Kyle was far from an idiot and I find it funny that just because you don't agree with his line of work you would resort to name calling and taking pleasure in his death!

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

Kyle was a hero, and this an unspeakable tragedy.

This is a political statement.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Well since you obviously have no first hand experience at dealing with a solider who is suffering from PTSD you would also not understand the different forms of therapy being use to deal with these symptoms.

It can help them process the emotions, that cause PTSD. Once they've relived the tragedy, they can learn to cope with the life-altering event.

Here's a couple of treatments:

Exposure therapy

This behavioral therapy technique helps you safely face the very thing that you find frightening, so that you can learn to cope with it effectively. A new approach to exposure therapy uses "virtual reality" programs that allow you to re-enter the setting in which you experienced trauma — for example, a "Virtual Iraq" program.

Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR)

This type of therapy combines exposure therapy with a series of guided eye movements that help you process traumatic memories.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I don't even know what to say to some of the posts in this thread.

 

[penn19]

Well since you obviously have no first hand experience at dealing with a solider who is suffering from PTSD you would also not understand the different forms of therapy being use to deal with these symptoms. The shooter was not your typical crazy man dealing with some genetic form of mental illness and as far as I am concerned he is just as much a victim as Kyle. Kyle was far from an idiot and I find it funny that just because you don't agree with his line of work you would resort to name calling and taking pleasure in his death!

So it's really an approved form of therapy to give a person with PTSD a loaded weapon to work through their issues? Off to google......I'm not a smart man (said in my best Forrest Gump voice) but that just boggles the mind.

 

[bunkkinsmom]

Well that was my second thought also. Not too smart.

And yes I do understand what war means. I get it. I don't think blowing up civilians is a good thing obviously. But just think if someone from the Taliban had been interviewed and said "well, it doesn't bother me to kill people. Sure I get a little nervous but then you just do it". And yes, I realize he was talking about the enemy, but it sounds callous.

I love my country, but I also believe that I don't have to overlook its faults either. And I think one of our biggest faults is that we have this view that whatever "we" do is right and whatever "they" do is wrong. I would be naive to think that we are always right in everything we do.

Who is this 'we" that you are talking about? Never did I say that everything that we do as a country is right! Whether it sounds callous to you or not isn't really the issue. This man did the job he was hired to do, and did it better than anyone else in his profession. In the process, he saved the lives of his fellow servicemen. War is WAR, people die. Is that a good thing? No, but it is war, and it's not pretty. Our troops are over there surrounded by people who want them dead. And we know that at least a few of those people would be ok with having all of us dead.......

"Don't you know? When an American says it then it's being patriotic, when it's one of "them", saying it well they are just barbaric. No wonder a lot of the world hates us."

So you yourself have mentioned how a lot of the world hates us? This is not a typical war, this is not country against country. These terrorists are clever and they hide among civilians. How would you suggest we seek them out? How would you suggest we protect ourselves? Do you want us to mind our own business and stay here in the states? Then we can just wait for them to come here and execute more terrorists acts and kill innocent people. What exactly are the demands anyway? What should we do to pacify these people who hate us so much?

This is a political statement.

ARE YOU SERIOUS????????????????????????????
Well then here's another one....... Treason is defined as the act of betraying one's country. A hero is defined as one who shows great courage, an illustrious warrior. Chris Kyle is a flipping hero. He saved the lives of his fellow servicemen in 4 tours of duty. Don't like what he did or how he did it? Doesn't really mean he's not a hero. Nor is calling someone a hero a political statement.

 

[bunkkinsmom]

This is a political statement.

I can't even fathom the thought process. I mean, there's so much that I want to say..........

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Who is this 'we" that you are talking about? Never did I say that everything that we do as a country is right! Whether it sounds callous to you or not isn't really the issue. This man did the job he was hired to do, and did it better than anyone else in his profession. In the process, he saved the lives of his fellow servicemen. War is WAR, people die. Is that a good thing? No, but it is war, and it's not pretty. Our troops are over there surrounded by people who want them dead. And we know that at least a few of those people would be ok with having all of us dead.......

"Don't you know? When an American says it then it's being patriotic, when it's one of "them", saying it well they are just barbaric. No wonder a lot of the world hates us."

So you yourself have mentioned how a lot of the world hates us? This is not a typical war, this is not country against country. These terrorists are clever and they hide among civilians. How would you suggest we seek them out? How would you suggest we protect ourselves? Do you want us to mind our own business and stay here in the states? Then we can just wait for them to come here and execute more terrorists acts and kill innocent people. What exactly are the demands anyway? What should we do to pacify these people who hate us so much?



ARE YOU SERIOUS????????????????????????????
Well then here's another one....... Treason is defined as the act of betraying one's country. A hero is defined as one who shows great courage, an illustrious warrior. Chris Kyle is a flipping hero. He saved the lives of his fellow servicemen in 4 tours of duty. Don't like what he did or how he did it? Doesn't really mean he's not a hero. Nor is calling someone a hero a political statement.

to everything you have said.

 

[Halloweenqueen]

One of the biggest lessons from this is we need to increase our support of our vets. The soldier that shot him should have been getting the proper care and treatment for his pts. I doubt the best course would to bring him to a shooting range. I'm sure Chris's intentions were honorable, but he has no medical expertise. It's like taking a drug addict to a crack house. It was a bad decision.

My thoughts go to both families.

 

[Pollyanna Poppins]

Well that was my second thought also. Not too smart.

And yes I do understand what war means. I get it. I don't think blowing up civilians is a good thing obviously. But just think if someone from the Taliban had been interviewed and said "well, it doesn't bother me to kill people. Sure I get a little nervous but then you just do it". And yes, I realize he was talking about the enemy, but it sounds callous.

I love my country, but I also believe that I don't have to overlook its faults either. And I think one of our biggest faults is that we have this view that whatever "we" do is right and whatever "they" do is wrong. I would be naive to think that we are always right in everything we do.

This statement and others on this board speak volumes. To compare a Seal to the Taliban is disgraceful. As the daughter of a retired veteran I am so thankful for the sacrifice of his service. I'll say it again he was an American Patriot and our prayers go out to his family.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Well since you obviously have no first hand experience at dealing with a solider who is suffering from PTSD you would also not understand the different forms of therapy being use to deal with these symptoms. The shooter was not your typical crazy man dealing with some genetic form of mental illness and as far as I am concerned he is just as much a victim as Kyle. Kyle was far from an idiot and I find it funny that just because you don't agree with his line of work you would resort to name calling and taking pleasure in his death!

Wait a minute - you are the one who is making stuff up and name calling. I know quite a bit about PTSD and volunteer at Jesse Brown monthly. And I stand by the statement that anyone with a mental illness - INCLUDING PTSD should not be anywhere near a gun.

And I do not take pleasure in his death, but find it very sad.

 

[TLSnell1981]

One of the biggest lessons from this is we need to increase our support of our vets. The soldier that shot him should have been getting the proper care and treatment for his pts. I doubt the best course would to bring him to a shooting range. I'm sure Chris's intentions were honorable, but he has no medical expertise. It's like taking a drug addict to a crack house. It was a bad decision.

My thoughts go to both families.

Kyle co-founded FITCO Cares. It's a program to help ease veterans, back into every day life. They provide personal training and life coaching for in need veterans with disabilities...including PTSD.

Exposure therapy is a very successful type of treatment. It's NOT equivalent to bringing a drug addict into a crack house.

 

[jen0610]

It was all over FB last night around 11:30. He couldn't have seen it coming. Was waiting for his book to go paperback before picking it up.

DH picked it up in paperback saturday night, then saw this on the news sunday morning.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Kyle co-founded FITCO Cares. It's a program to help ease veterans, back into every day life. They provide personal training and life coaching for in need veterans with disabilities...including PTSD.

Exposure therapy is very successful type of treatment. It's NOT equivalent to bringing a drug addict into a crack house.

From the VA website:
In exposure therapy your goal is to have less fear about your memories. It is based on the idea that people learn to fear thoughts, feelings, and situations that remind them of a past traumatic event.

By talking about your trauma repeatedly with a therapist, you'll learn to get control of your thoughts and feelings about the trauma. You'll learn that you do not have to be afraid of your memories. This may be hard at first. It might seem strange to think about stressful things on purpose. But you'll feel less overwhelmed over time.

Even you mentioned virtual reality. The VA mentions talking. No one mentions arming the mentally ill as therapy.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

Wait a minute - you are the one who is making stuff up and name calling. I know quite a bit about PTSD and volunteer at Jesse Brown monthly. And I stand by the statement that anyone with a mental illness - INCLUDING PTSD should not be anywhere near a gun.

And I do not take pleasure in his death, but find it very sad.

Please show me where I name called or made stuff up!

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Please show me where I name called or made stuff up.

1) I never said I am taking pleasure in his death = you making things up and in essence calling me insensitive.

2) You said I obviously have no experience with soldiers with PTSD and I do.

 

[donaldlovesdaisy]

1) I never said I am taking pleasure in his death = you making things up and in essence calling me insensitive.

2) You said I obviously have no experience with soldiers with PTSD and I do.

Volunteering at a Va hospital a couple of times a month does not make you an authority on the subject and frankly with the dissent you seem to have for Kyle and his job I am not sure you it is a place you should be. I wanted to add you said that you were sure he was not resting peace and that is pretty insensitive.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Wait a minute - you are the one who is making stuff up and name calling. I know quite a bit about PTSD and volunteer at Jesse Brown monthly. And I stand by the statement that anyone with a mental illness - INCLUDING PTSD should not be anywhere near a gun.

And I do not take pleasure in his death, but find it very sad.

I thought, Jesse Brown dealt with OT and PT? Do they also provide treatment for PTSD, other than possibly handing out meds for drug therapy?

Unfortunately, too many have attached a negative stigma to those, who suffer from PTSD. Therefore, many who could benefit from treatment, don't get help because they're "labeled.... crazy, cuckoo, etc"..

 

[jen0610]

Let me tell you why I automatically have concern for the American serviceman. These are my fellow Americans, my brothers and sisters who put their lives on the line for YOU and for me to keep us free, to keep the terrorists from killing innocent people, and to free others from terrible dictators. And yes, while they may not have written books there are certainly those who enjoy bragging about how many Americans they have killed.

Chris Kyle was a great American and a great soldier. We are deeply saddened by the death of this American hero.

I believe we are all created equal. I have concern for the American serviceman over someone who is trying to kill American servicemen because I am an American. American serviceman are fighting for MY COUNTRY, a country that many would like to see destroyed. Yes, I'm sure there are many people around the world who are happy about how many Americans they can kill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jy_yN-tRT8

What's your point?

 

[violetrose]

When only one "side" is an actual recognized army, there's only one side TO take.

When there are standing armies on both sides, there are heroes on both sides. That's not taking sides, it's recognizing war for what it is. In WW1, the Germans sent condolences to the opposite side when a highly decorated soldier was killed. This man fought with bravery and honor while wearing his uniform and conducting himself within the recognized rules of war. He was a hero and it matters not under what flag he fought.

I'm not sure why this is hard for others to grasp.

RIP Chris Kyle.