Chris Kyle has been killed!!!!!

[bunkkinsmom]

At the end of the day it is the same outcome.

You didn't answer my question.........

Why do you automatically NOT take the side of American Servicemen?

 

[LSmith]

You didn't answer my question.........

Why do you automatically NOT take the side of American Servicemen?

I try to use my BRAIN.

I am not an American. I also would not automatically take the side of a Canadian serviceman.

Also, Webmaster Kathy may think he is a hero. I obviously don't. Two different opinions.

That's all.

 

[LuvinLucifer]

Also, Webmaster Kathy may think he is a hero. I obviously don't. Two different opinions.

That's all.

What do you think of Seal Team 6?

 

[KathyTX]

No more rudeness, no more debate. Not here.

 

[bunkkinsmom]

Hey what happened to my posts?

 

[SaraJayne]

Yes it is. He was a sniper, the best sniper. How do you determine who the best sniper is? Well, by kills or distance. His longest distance was approximately 2100 yards. Belittling a man's prowess at his position when he served four tours in Iraq received 14 different awards and decorations, including two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals is what irritates me. Comparing Chris Kyle's actions to gun violence is IMHO disgusting.

Let's say you are a general in wartime. You have a situation that calls for a sniper. It's a huge situation, very very pivotal. How do you determine which sniper to send in? These are not hand to hand combat guys, they can't measure performance the same as others. You determine performance of a sniper, whose job it is to hit a target, by how many targets he has hit.

By the way, in regards to your comment about him bragging....

"In an interview last year with NBC News, Kyle said he didn't want to put the number of kills in the book but the publisher insisted.

"If I could figure out the number of people I saved, that's something I would brag about," he told NBC.

Have you watched interviews with this man? Because I have yet to see one where he was "bragging".

Since this thread has been heavily censored, I won't be sharing my opinion further.

 

[LongLiveDisney]

Kyle was a hero, and this an unspeakable tragedy.

We will NOT have this turn into any kind of gun control or political debate- those do not belong anywhere on he DIS.

Thank you WM Kathy. I really didn't want this to become one of those big DIS blowouts. Rest in peace Chris Kyle.

 

[bunkkinsmom]

OK, let me just say that my questions were truly honest ones. I really wanted to know the logic or the thinking behind the previous posts. I was not trying to be controversial.

Having said that, the point of the thread was to link the story. Whether or not I think the man is a hero is irrelevant I suppose. However I do think that saying mean or degrading things about someone when you don't know their history right after they died is a bit, well, you know.

Regardless, I pray for his wife and kids, and I personally think it's a tragedy.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I try to use my BRAIN.

I am not an American. I also would not automatically take the side of a Canadian serviceman.

Also, Webmaster Kathy may think he is a hero. I obviously don't. Two different opinions.

That's all.

When only one "side" is an actual recognized army, there's only one side TO take.

When there are standing armies on both sides, there are heroes on both sides. That's not taking sides, it's recognizing war for what it is. In WW1, the Germans sent condolences to the opposite side when a highly decorated soldier was killed. This man fought with bravery and honor while wearing his uniform and conducting himself within the recognized rules of war. He was a hero and it matters not under what flag he fought.

 

[eliza61]

Since this thread has been heavily censored, I won't be sharing my opinion further.

me too.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

no more debate.

Sorry, missed this.

 

[EPCOTatNight]

I don't think anyone should be famous for killing people. I have no problem with him doing his job, just don't agree with the book or the fame.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I don't think anyone should be famous for killing people. I have no problem with him doing his job, just don't agree with the book or the fame.

I agree!

you do what you have to do in the field of battle and for that you are a hero!!! However, once you are home, you don't glorify killing or war. Many heroes come home and refuse to talk about what they did, because they do not feel "proud" of what they had to do or feel it right or proper to glorify it.

Did this individual do that? IMHo - I am not sure, from what little I know - it sounds like he did.

Either way, he is a hero and this is a great loss even though I disagree about how he MAY have handled things.

 

[penn19]

Why do you automatically have concern for the American serviceman?

Aren't we all equal?

Can you imagine an Iraqi writing a book about how many Americans they have killed?

Don't you know? When an American says it then it's being patriotic, when it's one of "them", saying it well they are just barbaric. No wonder a lot of the world hates us.

 

[bunkkinsmom]

Don't you know? When an American says it then it's being patriotic, when it's one of "them", saying it well they are just barbaric. No wonder a lot of the world hates us.

Webmaster, before you close this thread, please allow me to respond to this. When a member of the military kills a member of an opposing force that is war. When someone blows up a building, market, whatever full of civilians in order to cause as much damage as possible that is barbaric. When masked men kidnap a journalist and behead him, that is barbaric. Have you read the book? Have you seen interviews with this man? Sounds to me like you agree with "a lot of the world". Do you not see the difference in these scenarios?

 

[LuvinLucifer]

Don't you know? When an American says it then it's being patriotic, when it's one of "them", saying it well they are just barbaric. No wonder a lot of the world hates us.

Do you not get the difference between a terrorist insurgent and a unifomed serviceman? Do you not get the difference between war crimes and orders carried out within the rules of engagement? I honestly feel like I'm debating with Fred Phelps here, but then again I don't think he really believes what he spews. Anyway, if you think these snipers are no better than terrorists take it up with the commander-in-chief. They are under his chain-of-command. They only take orders from their superiors.

And I have to add that I don't think that the condemnations of military members here is political. I think it's a combination of ignorance of military chain-of-command and typical online sanctimony. I belong to a very left-leaning board, and almost all of the disgust and anger over military action and means of warfare is directed at those in power who make all the decisions and don't bear any of the risks. Those in uniform are often seen as victims, as they have little say in what tasks they are given and would face legal problems if they don't do as told. Many are young, poor, and only want to serve their country and maybe get a shot ahead in life. The only exception are those who don't live up to the standards expected of their uniform, such as the marine who went on a shoot rampage of civilians or the guards at Abu Ghirab. All we can expect from those who answer the call to serve is to act in accordance with the rules given them. To expect otherwise is to overestimate the power these young people have.

 

[Pollyanna Poppins]

America has lost a true Patriot. I am deeply moved by the life of this hero and will be praying for his family during this time. I just read an article listing some of the quotes from his book. This was the number one...
“I’ve lived the literal meaning of the ‘land of the free’ and ‘home of the brave.’ It’s not corny for me. I feel it in my heart. I feel it in my chest. Even at a ball game, when someone talks during the anthem or doesn’t take off his hat, it (ticks) me off. I’m not one to be quiet about it, either.” This was from his book American Sniper. The world truly is a better place because of this American.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

America has lost a true Patriot. I am deeply moved by the life of this hero and will be praying for his family during this time. I just read an article listing some of the quotes from his book. This was the number one...
“I’ve lived the literal meaning of the ‘land of the free’ and ‘home of the brave.’ It’s not corny for me. I feel it in my heart. I feel it in my chest. Even at a ball game, when someone talks during the anthem or doesn’t take off his hat, it (ticks) me off. I’m not one to be quiet about it, either.” This was from his book American Sniper. The world truly is a better place because of this American.

I disagree. He was an idiot - lets take someone struggling with PTSD to a SHOOTING range?! Have we not learned that mental illness and firearms do not go together?

I do not believe he will rest in peace.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Until this disboards thread, I had never heard of this man. In fact, until I started reading, I assumed this was the name of the athlete that died after that crash in the Winter X-Games (him name is Caleb Moore, by the way).

Any murder is a tragedy, from the most famous (John Lennon) to my college roommate's mother.

 

[penn19]

I disagree. He was an idiot - lets take someone struggling with PTSD to a SHOOTING range?! Have we not learned that mental illness and firearms do not go together?

I do not believe he will rest in peace.

Well that was my second thought also. Not too smart.

And yes I do understand what war means. I get it. I don't think blowing up civilians is a good thing obviously. But just think if someone from the Taliban had been interviewed and said "well, it doesn't bother me to kill people. Sure I get a little nervous but then you just do it". And yes, I realize he was talking about the enemy, but it sounds callous.

I love my country, but I also believe that I don't have to overlook its faults either. And I think one of our biggest faults is that we have this view that whatever "we" do is right and whatever "they" do is wrong. I would be naive to think that we are always right in everything we do.