Chivalry is dead.

[KellyNY]

I apologize if you felt that I attacked you. I was trying to defend the bus driver's point of view because of your comment, which I viewed as inappropriate and rude itself.Well, I do not think it is appropriet for driver to make anyone to give their seat to anyone, unless they are sitting in a special needs seats. I repeat, it was totally off line.

I'm glad you can wait for a bus, but with kids we don't find it feasible. You'll be happy to know we'll be renting a car in the future.Actually I do wait with kids and eldery parens.

You're right, it is our choice to take our kids but don't be so presumptuous yourself. I'm not sure why I get so worked up over this topic as my youngest is 7 and was never carried at all during the trip, nor did he ever fall alseep at the park or on the bus. Instead, I had all three of my boys, including my 7 year old give up their seats for those who needed them more than they did.

I just pointing that parents are responsible for their choices and not people on bus.

 

[Disneyholic]

Waiting for a bus doesn't always work. As I have also mentioned, sometimes that bus arrives full of people already and you may have to wait 20, 40 or 80 minutes for a bus with a seat available. All waiting does is guarantees that you'll stand in line for another 20 minutes holding a sleeping child. Plus, if you're at DTD you have to just mob onto the bus and pray you even get a spot on the bus itself. A seat is even more of a miracle as there is no queue for the buses at DTD.

Sometimes simple logic like what you espoused doesn't always mirror reality.

So, if people are so rude as to Mob onto the bus, this makes you think that they will give up their seats once they get on and get a seat for themselves. Your logic alludes me on this one.

 

[~Kik-Kik~]

One thing about women (since I am one)

If I say "No, thank you, I'm fine" then let it go.

Don't *insist* that I take your seat. I am a fully functioning human being, as you are, and are capable of making decisions. If I say no thank you, then you need to respect that.

I consider men who pressure me to take their seats after I've said no to be less interested in my well being and more concerned with their own code.

Which defeats the purpose of polite manners in the first place-doing a good act for the benefit of the other person.

However, a polite offer is always appreciated. Just be prepared to take "no" as graciously as you accept "yes".

Saying "you sure", is just polite. No one actually expects you to take them up on the offer the second time around, it's just the way that people have been raised. It's like saying thank you, please, etc. Being pushy is diffrent, I know who they are I I hate when people push kindness on you.

 

[GEB@okw]

You know, it is not safe to stand in the aisle on Disney's buses. If you want a seat, wait for the next bus like I did. Going 55mph down the road and a qucik stop means a pile of bodies in the front of the bus. If you want a seat, wait for it, don't expect someone to give up the seat they waited for.....

 

[Belle102498]

I know many people give up their seat for my husband to sit (since he is blind), and get very mad that he doesn't take it, but rather lets me have it. They get very agitated because they thought they were doing a good thing by giving their seat to a handicapped man and he just let it go to his wife. I understand this thought process, but what people can't see is that I have Multiple Sclerosis, and if I am standing with people directly in front, or behind me, I have a tendency to topple. I don't think chivalry is dead, but don't berate someone that you gave up your seat to, for them giving it to someone else. You never know what issues that person may have. I know people don't really believe in "invisible disabilities", but they do exist. No, chivalry is not dead, but some people only seem to partake in it when they think they are doing it for some kind of notice. Just a few thoughts.

 

[disneynewbee]

But ... didn't all those women and moms with kids manage to drag themeselves around the themepark all day too? Shouldn't they be able to stand for a few more minutes on the bus without a problem too?

Your not carrying a child walking around the park but you have to hold them and your bags when you get on the bus. So it's not really the same.

 

[disney_bob]

If I (as a male) am holding my 2yr old child while on the bus after a day at a park, should I be seeing a large amount of women offering me their seat? Just curious.

 

[Chelley00]

If I (as a male) am holding my 2yr old child while on the bus after a day at a park, should I be seeing a large amount of women offering me their seat? Just curious.

I would offer you my seat, as long as my 4 year old isn't asleep in my lap


Chivalry is not dead. We're teaching it to our kids to try and help keep it alive.

 

[LoraJ]

I look at it this way: If I am taking my family to Disney World, it is MY responsibility to see to their safety and comfort. If I think it would be unsafe for any of my family members to have to stand on a bus, then I see to it they don't. It is quite simple really. I would rather spend a few extra bucks on a cab or a rental car than leave the safety of my family up to the whim of a total stranger.

Sorry, but if you have small children and can't possibly stand on a full bus, then don't get on. Don't place yourself of your family members in what may possibly be a dangerous situation. Don't put convenience ahead of safety, and then expect others to hold your family's safety in high regard.

BTW, when I am able I do give up my seats for others that look like they could use it more. I just hate that so many people don't take it for a courtesy, but EXPECT it!

We use a rental car. At the end of the day my back is usually killing me and I just want to sit down and not have to stand waiting for a bus and then possibly have to stand on the bus. And I'd hate to have someone give me the evil eye on a bus because they feel like they deserve the seat more than I do.





Well said and I totally agree

 

[anabelle]

If I (as a male) am holding my 2yr old child while on the bus after a day at a park, should I be seeing a large amount of women offering me their seat? Just curious.

I love it when this topic comes up. It will never be solved because someone will always be standing when buses fill up. Disney plans it that way. I mostly give up my seat. I don't have babies that can fly around. I never expect anyone to give me theirs. So I am never disappointed.

 

[Georgia Girl2]

If I (as a male) am holding my 2yr old child while on the bus after a day at a park, should I be seeing a large amount of women offering me their seat? Just curious.

I'd offer you my seat! But then, I'm a southern girl, and it would be the polite thing to do. That's just how we are raised down here.

 

[jrc-elpaso]

Just an FYI. People seem to get very crazy about this topic on these boards so put on you flame suit! Unfortunately some people on here don't feel they should bother to give up their seat to anyone, for almost any reason because they go there first. Personally I don't feel that way. I did have an experience last fall that upset me. We got on the bus one evening from MK. We were somewhat towards the front of a long line. I was trying to balance my bag, help the 3 kids, DH had the stroller. So we get on and immediately see the seats are all taken. Before we could turn around to get off at least 20 people pile in behind us. We were stuck. Lights pop off, bus starts rolling. DH is trying to balance the double stroller and brace DS5 as he struggled to hold on. I am trying to hold DD17 months, balance my bag on my back and hold DD4 up- who is crying as she is falling over. I didn't know what to do. I really thought I would fall. My DH was telling me to sit down on the floor. Finally a woman sitting saw me struggling gives her boyfriend/husband whatever he was a whack and says get up -can't you see she is going to fall? I felt a little bad but took the seat and put both girls on my lap. I would be perfectly happy to stand but the kids safety is the most important.

The "safety" issue is the important one. It can be difficult to stand holding on with 2 hands - but I can't imagine trying to hold on and still carry a child. Fortunately, my sons would have been one of the first ones out of their seat.

 

[pwdebbie]

My husband can't stand due to an invisible disability. We wait for another bus to come in order to sit. And then he still has to endure snide comments from rude women about not giving up his seat. My husband feels terrible that he can't offer his seat, but having to listen to the comments only makes him feel worse. Sometimes he gently tells them he is disabled. My take, if you want a seat, wait for the next bus. If you choose to get on a crowded bus and no seats are available, that was your choice, so don't complain.

 

[DVCJones]

If I (as a male) am holding my 2yr old child while on the bus after a day at a park, should I be seeing a large amount of women offering me their seat? Just curious.

YES! I have done this. It isn't a man/woman thing it is about doing what is right.

 

[k9muttlover]

...You never know what issues that person may have. I know people don't really believe in "invisible disabilities", but they do exist...

Agree You don't know what the reason is behind someone not offering up their seat and have no reason to judge as a result.

 

[kittythepoohbear]

I never understand these threads. I lived most of my life in a major city where public transportation is a way of life. In NYC, if you are on a bus and an elderly/disabled person, a pregnant woman or a child comes on, most people would gladly give up their seat. The thing is that in WDW, there are a huge number of small children and pregnant women/women with babies. If each bus was filled so that only children, pregnant women, women with babies, the disabled, and the elderly had seats, the bus lines would be ridiculous. This means that, unfortunately, a lot of these people will have to stand or find an alternate plan. I and my family almost always give up our seats (sometimes we are selfish because we are exhausted) and truthfully, I always see people of both sexes giving up their seats to people in need. My boyfriend refused to sit down if anyone was standing on a bus and for the most part, most of the seats are not taken by men.

 

[ShannonMB]

I think "Chivalry" is a dated concept. I think of it as men back in the day giving the lady a seat, holding the door for her, putting his jacket over a puddle for her, take care of the family finances, etc, so she won't get all uppity and start to think she should get to vote or some such nonsense. I'm a woman, not a feminist, but would prefer to be looked at by men as an equal in most respects rather than some frail, feminine creature who couldn't possibly stand on a bus or think for herself. That said, I have been offered a seat by men several times at Disney and have sometimes accepted, and sometimes politely declined.

Politeness and common courtesy are another matter. You all can decide what that means to you. I couldn't enjoy that lovely seat of mine if I saw another woman struggling with an infant or an elderly person about to pass out. But that's just MY definition of courtesy. We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror every morning. Oh, and I also happen to believe that Karma can be a B***H!

 

[WDW1st-timers]

I'm so happy that we drive to the parks. Then I come and go as we please and I don't need to step on anyones toes on the bus. Mind you it's just not the bus service...it's the monorail too; and that I will be using. Hopefully it will be all good experiences.

 

[lugnut33]

If she's really cute I'll let her sit on my lap.

 

[disneygirlinnj]

Ahhhh reading some of these posts reminds me why non-Americans think we're rude, crass, ignorant, and low class.