Chivalry is dead.

[Laurabearz]

So, if I get a positive pregnancy test a week before my trip, I am entitled to a seat automatically, just based on that? Cool!

If you make it into a necklace and wear it... I will get up and give you my seat.

I can't speak for anyone else though

 

[KSDisneyDad]

First of all, please do not make personal attacks at me with yours "people like you", OK?

Second, I always wait for another bus if it is full so I know exactly how long it takes.

And last but not least, it is your choice to wear off your kid in park so he/she is falling asleep. It is nice if someone will give a seat but do not expect it, no way.

I apologize if you felt that I attacked you. I was trying to defend the bus driver's point of view because of your comment, which I viewed as inappropriate and rude itself.

I'm glad you can wait for a bus, but with kids we don't find it feasible. You'll be happy to know we'll be renting a car in the future.

You're right, it is our choice to take our kids but don't be so presumptuous yourself. I'm not sure why I get so worked up over this topic as my youngest is 7 and was never carried at all during the trip, nor did he ever fall alseep at the park or on the bus. Instead, I had all three of my boys, including my 7 year old give up their seats for those who needed them more than they did.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

I think it is simplistic to suggest that people not wear out their kids. I can't tell you how many laughs we have had watching kids get on a bus at the end of the day full of vim and vigor, and literally fall asleep standing or on their parent's lap on the way home. I think it must be the motion.

 

[wdwluver]

Quite honestly, I often wonder how it got started that men had to give up their seat to a female, or hold a door open, etc. I'm not saying I don't appreciate it. Just that it's quite possible that the reasons behind it no longer exists.

With that being said, I recall when a child was told to by his parent, "sit on my lap so someone else can have a seat" and the child refused. He looked no older than 2 or 3.

She kept explaining that he needed to be nice and let someone else have his seat. He said I don't care. I felt she was being too lenient. If that had been my child I would have just put him on my lap, no discussion. But the grandmother wanted it to be the little boy's decision. All the way back to the resort, she kept pleading with him to give up his seat . I thought that was ridiculous.

 

[mickeymommy3]

I recently went to WDW with my 3 children (8,6 and 2) and a friend. My friend and I were appalled by the number of men and boys who never offered to give up a bus seat for women or small children. In fact, more women offered their seats than men did. On so many occasions I saw (and was one) moms holding babies being forced to stand on a rocking, braking, turning bus because the seats were all taken - and many of the seated were men and older teen-aged boys.

It strengthened my resolve to teach my boys (and my girl, too!) good manners and how to be helpful in any situation.

I was very lucky on several occasions, as I recieved the opposite. I was just there with my 3 children (4,5, and 10). Not only did men on more then one occasion give me their seat, On one occasion the young man who gave me his seat, offered to hold my double stroller and carried the stroller off the bus for me. Helped me open it, as I was holding a sleeping child.

So my experiece says chivalry is not dead, just not easily found.

 

[Kickapoo Joie Juice]

What's funny about defining "need" is that those in need will often look for a friendly face.

In real life (and this may shock some of you who read my posts often) at Disney people come up to me a lot and ask me if I would take their picture, or chat with me on the buffet lines, or make eye contact with me on the busses (which we try to avoid riding on, did I mention that?) if they need help.


Strange kids come sit on my lap when they're lost. And you know what? I DO take people's pictures, I DO give up my seat, and I DO find lost Mommies at Disney-so the next time you need help, look for a friendly face, it might be me .

What's even funnier is that DH scares the heck out of people so we're a zero sum total if you see us together. "Well, ask her, she looks nice." "No way, her husband will eat me for breakfast!"

 

[qcmommy]

I think it is simplistic to suggest that people not wear out their kids. I can't tell you how many laughs we have had watching kids get on a bus at the end of the day full of vim and vigor, and literally fall asleep standing or on their parent's lap on the way home. I think it must be the motion.

SO true my kids could just wake up in the morning and be asleep an hour later in the car

 

[Bouncin-Tigger]

Wow heated in here, I am a firefighter/medic and volunteer at local boys and girls club and was raised to be respectful and treat others well. I do see both sides of the argument, I would get up and give my seat up for any senior, male or female or a person with a disablility but honestly I dont think it is necassary to give your seat up to a woman of the same age. I travel with 2 small children and do just as much chasing around the park. I spend my work days running 17-20 ambulance calls helping people of all ages to and from the hospital. I help people on and off the bus and have given my seat by choice to a senior or someone who needs it, not by guilt, but I have to say it should be a choice by someone not a rule. My dad always said if ya wanna sit down get there first. Hiding behind the word chilvarly just rubs a few the wrong way. In the glory days of chivarly I dont think womans rights were anything like they are now.

 

[si-am]

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The recording wasn't played every time. I heard it mostly on the older buses that don't have the new scrolling announcement board. Just because it isn't played everytime doesn't mean it's not common sense. Someone at Disney at one time felt it was important enough to state.

Do you really need a written policy to know who needs a seat and who doesn't? Do you work for the government or in a large bureaucracy where common sense can't be applied to a given situation?

Well, there are plenty of people with hidden disabilities around, so who's to know who "needs" a seat and who doesn't, really?

I don't recall anyone ever "demanding" a seat because of their situation. Quite the opposite, those that stand do so humbly and without complaint. They know not to expect a seat, even if they know if someone did, it would be quite nice or courteous.

Maybe not demanding while on the bus, but they sure do gripe about it when they get back, here on the Disboards. Isn't that what this thread is all about?

I may or may not give up my seat. Sometimes, not always. That's my choice. I just don't think it's fair for people to get onto buses knowing that they need to sit for whatever reason, and then get angry when no one offers.

 

[mariepapa]

Last week we were on one of those wretched Disney buses when a family of 7 gets on. Packed like sardines we were! There is a woman holding a 1 year old baby. I make my husband get up so she can sit down next to me. I have my two kids barely awake on my lap mind you...anyway, her husband sat down himself and made all of his kids stand in the middle of the bus instead of offering a couple of them his seat! Of course he was also telling them to shut up the whole time but you get my drift as to what kind of man he was.

 

[goofy4tink]

I haven't read all the responses here..no need to. I can pretty much figure out what they say.
I just returned from a miserably crowded week in WDW...14th-21st. I saw plenty of people offering their seats to someone else. I even hopped up to let a dad who was holding his sleeping dd have my seat...and I'm a 60 y/o woman.
I really didn't see all that many women holding youngsters standing on any of the buses I was on. But, maybe I just got lucky.

 

[maxiesmom]

I look at it this way: If I am taking my family to Disney World, it is MY responsibility to see to their safety and comfort. If I think it would be unsafe for any of my family members to have to stand on a bus, then I see to it they don't. It is quite simple really. I would rather spend a few extra bucks on a cab or a rental car than leave the safety of my family up to the whim of a total stranger.

Sorry, but if you have small children and can't possibly stand on a full bus, then don't get on. Don't place yourself of your family members in what may possibly be a dangerous situation. Don't put convenience ahead of safety, and then expect others to hold your family's safety in high regard.

BTW, when I am able I do give up my seats for others that look like they could use it more. I just hate that so many people don't take it for a courtesy, but EXPECT it!

 

[Overthemoon]

oops -wrong thread

 

[Nutz4Dizney]

I haven't read all the posts but I don't think any man should have to give up his seat for a woman if he didn't want to. My husband does all the time (maybe because he was born `57 LOL).

I do give my seat up if a parent has children with her/him. The parent can either sit in the seat and hold child on his/her lap or the child can sit. I don't care

If I'm tired I do give up my son's seat and put my son on my lap (yes he's 8 and a little heavy LOL) but it's only a short time he needs to be there.

I do give it up for any elder woman or MAN.

Sometimes I give it up just because I'm being sweet at that moment.


I can't stand those people that let the kid take up more than 1 seat. Those parents drive me crazy.

 

[clmccormick]

Cheers to you for wanting to teach your kiddos manners!!!

 

[Nutz4Dizney]

also when you would see a family taking up several seats with bags!!! now thats just rude.

It may just be me but I would have asked them to put the bags on the floor LOL

 

[Kay1]

I really don't believe any stories about women berating men for holding doors open. I think that's just an urban myth put forth by radio hosts and just plain silly. I hold doors open for people all the time and I'm a woman.

Frankly, I'm not crazy about anyone standing on a moving vehicle. We really can't control the behavior of others, we can only control how we respond. Since I don't like to stand on buses and won't allow my son to stand, we will not get on a standing-room only bus, but will wait for the next. If worse came to worse, there are taxis.

 

[party-of-five]

don't blame the boys... blame the feminists.

 

[Febe]

I have always given up my seat on public transport to someone who needs it more than me. Its a courtesy that I was taught as I was growing up. I even had a disagreement with my DH travelling to our state fair a couple of years ago when an elderly couple stood next to us. I was quick to give up my seat but he refused.

But if I am travelling on a bus with my 4yo DD and I have to stand at the front, I would much rather as a safety concern either have someone give up their seat or let us move further into the bus for her to stand where she can actually reach something to hold other than my leg. Honestly I think no child should ever stand on a bus.

 

[~Kik-Kik~]

This is one of those topics that...just dosn't make sense, because when you put this situation in any other group it's a tabboo.

1. How do you know they are not less able to stand, and you are MORE able? Do you see their injuries? Can you tell that the guy sitting across from you had knee surgery and had to head back early because he was in pain? You don't know.

2. Why do the kids need a seat? This one really irritates me. Kids fit on laps, why not hold the youngest and have the other two sit together? This is not to the OP, just people in general. It just really bugs me.

3. Idk if you know this, but some women are offended when asked for a seat. I saw a man ask a woman holding a baby if she want his seat and she said no, he asked if she was sure and she yelled no and whipped around as fast as she could. I was shocked!!! I have seen it before. I love how for men it's very much a lose lose situation. It's rude to ask and rude to ask.

4. Does having a ***** make is any easier to stand? I mean really? You go as far as you can in the day. Everybody is sore and tired. Know that, respect that, get used to that. It's just how it is at WDW, it's how it will stay unless that change the busses to hold more and ban standing.

It's just the truth, and I'm sure what I just said has been said 20 times in this thread, so it really doesn't matter, just voicing my opinion on the subject.

People holding doors is common courtesy. I hold them for men and women. I might open a door for a girl, but I just though that was common sense.