Chivalry is dead.

[stella27]

I recently went to WDW with my 3 children (8,6 and 2) and a friend. My friend and I were appalled by the number of men and boys who never offered to give up a bus seat for women or small children. In fact, more women offered their seats than men did. On so many occasions I saw (and was one) moms holding babies being forced to stand on a rocking, braking, turning bus because the seats were all taken - and many of the seated were men and older teen-aged boys.

It strengthened my resolve to teach my boys (and my girl, too!) good manners and how to be helpful in any situation.

 

[mitsybella]

thats why I waited for the next bus if I knew we would be standing, I did not feel like standing holding a sleeping 2 yr old with a stroller and bag, I had several trips like this and so just learned its better to wait, my frustration however was not always with the men or boys, they waited in line just like us and I'm sure after a day in the park they are just as tired but when a family with a toddler would not sit the toddler on their lap to make a seat for someone standing that irked me, also when you would see a family taking up several seats with bags!!! now thats just rude.

 

[peyjax]

Whatch out this subject gets heated!

Yes it is dead and died along time ago. It really is sad. It is the kind of thing that really puts a damper on a disney trip. You see how selfish society is as a whole. If you get many more posts, I am sure you will see what I am talking about. I really don't like the busses for this main reason.

You like myself are probably not used to public transportation and that is why you find it shocking, however from previous threads I have learned this is the norm when using public busses.

 

[lugnut33]

Hey, I thought women wanted to be treated equally?

















Just kidding

 

[JasonDVC]

Watch out this subject gets heated!

I am heated which is why I have to refrain from further comment. I like being on the boards too much.

 

[ncmickeyluvr]

It's true...I think a good part of a generation seems to have skipped manners. It's the whole entitlement thing, also. I'm very thankful to my MIL....she raised my husband to have good manners. It's a struggle to raise my son now that he sees bad manners everywhere he goes. I have to constantly remind my children how our family should behave...even though the rest of the world may sometimes do what's easy instead of what's right.

Also, when we're on the busses and men are taking up the seats, DH usually makes a big show of him and ds standing up...he usually says...son let's stand up so these ladies/children can have our seats...in the loudest voice possible. It usually shames some men out of their seats LOl

 

[Ktharee]

It's not dead in my house. My husband and myself are the first to give up a seat to people who obviously need it. And I have to say on our last trip, seats were given up for me and my then 4 y/o. So, it's not completely dead!

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Another hot topic today!!!

Have you read other threads on this topic? Those men and boys had every right to sit there as they were there first. They all had silent disabilities. Oh, the mom holding the child should have waited until the next bus and should stop giving everyone seated the evil eye.

Seriously, 90% of the time we witnessed this, someone offered the Mom (or Dad) the seat. Often times, I saw the seat turned down. There were other times, where I could tell that someone really needed a seat but everyone seated just stared at their shoes. Our boys did give up their seats (as did I) many times. I have yet to find a reasonable argument for not giving up a seat to someone who clearly needs it, but only if you're capable. I even heard an announcement a few times on the buses that available seating should be given to the elderly, pregnant women, small children and others who need it. I know there are legitimate reasons for specific individuals not giving up a seat, but an entire bus? Waiting for the next bus doesn't work many times. I can't tell you how many times we waited for a bus and when it arrived, all the seats were already taken. Just because you were at the TL busstop with a small child and not at DTD, does it mean you don't have a right to a seat? Plus, we generally waited up to 20 minutes for a bus and we weren't going to wait another 20 minutes to take a chance on an elusive seat. I'm sure that the Mom (or Dad) holding a small sleeping child just wanted to get back to the resort. Finally, I never saw the Mom (or Dad) holding a child ask for a seat or give anyone the evil eye. I think those who think people are giving you the evil eye have a guilty conscience.

Flame on.

 

[Pecobill]

I know me and my family always give up seats to people that need them so its not completely dead.Though sometime you never know what a person wants.Some ladies hate it if you show them chivalry.Why are they so confusing

 

[kappyfamily]

get ready! I started a thread exactly like this after last years visit and got blasted from a bunch of people stating something like "Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I should have to give up my seat, my feet are tired too"...

Really? Ugh. Puke.

Bottom line, I guess it is how you were raised. I'm trying to keep the "spirit alive" in my 15 year old boy and trying to do the right thing with him. If he wouldn't get up, he would get the "old laser beam eyes" from me.

 

[DisMN]

thats why I waited for the next bus if I knew we would be standing, I did not feel like standing holding a sleeping 2 yr old with a stroller and bag, I had several trips like this and so just learned its better to wait, my frustration however was not always with the men or boys, they waited in line just like us and I'm sure after a day in the park they are just as tired but when a family with a toddler would not sit the toddler on their lap to make a seat for someone standing that irked me, also when you would see a family taking up several seats with bags!!! now thats just rude.

We had a driver once that made the following annoucement:
"Shopping bags and purses on your lap please that way we can fit more butts in the seats!"

LOL

I only get on a bus if it has empty seats because I don't assume anyone is going to give me a seat. That solves that problem. There are many good reasons someone may not give up their seat.

 

[cascarlet]

I agree it is dead, and unfortunately it has been for a while. I can remember being soooo pregnant and taking public transportation and it was very rare that I would be offered a seat. Usually if I was it was by a woman.

It's funny because I just quizzed my 17 yr old son on this the other day. I was pleased with his answers, even though he was rolling his eyes when he said it.

YES Mom...I give up my seat for elderly, pregnant ladies, ladies with small children, or anyone else that looks like they really need it!!

 

[Laurabearz]

Hey, I thought women wanted to be treated equally?


Just kidding

When we get Paid Equal you can treat us as Equals... Until then we should be treated as the Goddess we are.... coz with out us.. the human race is pretty much over.

So STAND UP so we can SIT DOWN you male pigs!!!

 

[stella27]

You know, I guess I am out of the public transportation loop, so I don't really know what's the norm.

It's hard going out in public and seeing the low levels of decency and respect when you were raised in the deep south.

I didn't realize this was a heatable topic, and I really can't imagine why it would be - unless you don't have any manners.

Of course people have hidden disabilities and certainly some people need the seats more than I do. I just do not understand how the typical, able-bodied, young man could think they need their seat more than a little child who is only being held up by all those other standing bodies.

 

[Stinky_Pete]

Hey, I thought women wanted to be treated equally?

Just kidding

I agree, and I'm not just kidding.

If it is a parent holding a child I will get up. But not just for some random woman simply because she's a woman.

It's called "equality". It's terrible when you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[LauraK]

I feel awful when I see women or men standing while holding a child on the bus or elderly people standing - and both me and my husband offer to give up our seat. BUT as a woman (not elderly and without kids) I wouldn't feel right taking a seat from anyone. It doesnt seem fair for me to take a seat just because I'm female. I look at it this way...if I can walk for miles around the parks all day - I can stand for 20 mins on the bus.

If I were elderly, had a small child or a physical need, then that's another story...

 

[Sleeping Becca]

Yes it is dead!

Really dead.

Dead as a door nail.

Dead as the folks who's remains are sprinkled about the Haunted Mansion.

This dead horse has been beaten repeatedly.

For this reason we rent a car and skip Disney transportation. I've been on a bus waaaay too many times at MK closing, packed like stinking sweaty sardines and watched folks balance sleeping toddlers and strollers and 80 year olds who could barely walk get on a bus and no one offer them a seat. We always gave up our seats and if we were lucky enough to get a seat DD always sat on my lap.

Drive your car or rent one, you will always have a seat, and the only stench you have to smell is your own family's.

 

[tardin1964]

In my opinion unless you are a man in a wheel chair you should be giving up your seat. If you not in a wheel chair and you can manage to drag yourself around a theme park all day, you should have no problem standing for a few more minutes on the bus.

 

[Leshaface]

When we get Paid Equal you can treat us as Equals... Until then we should be treated as the Goddess we are.... coz with out us.. the human race is pretty much over.

So STAND UP so we can SIT DOWN you male pigs!!!

Bahaha!!

 

[Mom of 2 Wife of 1]

I totally agree.

Chivalry is dead.

Presumptuousness... that seems to be alive and kicking.