Child Pervert Reported at VB

[PamOKW]

unless there were uniformed guards within ear shot of every single person, making a potential trouble maker afraid to speak

Hey, we could use some of those on the Debate Board!

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Captain, I guess my point is that we don't know that this person is a pervert.....

It's a good point,.....and you've probably learned you lesson and next time perhaps you'll refrain from yelling off the balconey without knowing the age of the person your yelling too..... (Your right the story does seem to change from the original implication.)

Actually I was trying to move us off this particular case to the larger issue of whether Vero security is adequate. Of course we can't have security within earshot of every person in the Green Cabin room, I think it's obvious I'm not suggesting that extreme.

But overall is there adequate Vero security? Some report never seeing a guard make rounds. Some let their children play in the pool at night unattended. There's a public beach next door. Just asking. Mostly people are responding in the pro, that there is adequate security. What do others think? I see the TV monitors in the Guard shack, but I don't know what is monitored.

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Captain, I guess my point is that we don't know that this person is a pervert. I know I would not want folks judging me on third hand, one sided information that has already been reported slightly different by the OP. (No offense to the OP, I know you are telling the story as you remember it).

I am really not sure what kind of security would have stopped this from happening.... unless there were uniformed guards within ear shot of every single person, making a potential trouble maker afraid to speak.

My thoughts exactly!

Anne

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by CaptainMidnight
But overall is there adequate Vero security? Some report never seeing a guard make rounds. Some let their children play in the pool at night unattended. There's a public beach next door. Just asking. Mostly people are responding in the pro, that there is adequate security. What do others think? I see the TV monitors in the Guard shack, but I don't know what is monitored.

There are cameras around the public areas of the resort. Keep your eyes open for them and you'll see that they are there

As far as parents letting kids swim alone in the pool at night--doesn't some of the responsibility for the safety of the kids fall on the parents? Personally I'd be more worried about a drowning than an intruder.

It just seems that many feel they are "at Disney" so let "Disney" become the babysitter. We saw it on the cruise, we've seen it at WDW, heck I've seen it in my local Disney Store--I think everyone on these boards has witnessed at least one incident involving a child that should have been accompanied by a parent causing some sort of "mayhem" on Disney property. So maybe it goes both ways...

Anne

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by CaptainMidnight

But overall is there adequate Vero security? Some report never seeing a guard make rounds. Some let their children play in the pool at night unattended. There's a public beach next door. Just asking. Mostly people are responding in the pro, that there is adequate security. What do others think? I see the TV monitors in the Guard shack, but I don't know what is monitored.

I don't recall ever seeing a security presence at Vero, other than in the guard shack. I am not sure if they do the plain clothes thing or not. It would be nice to periodically see uniformed security, as that shows the guests that they do indeed have security. I know Disney in general does a lot of behind the scenes security, but I'm not sure about Vero.

PS- Captain, thanx for taking the high road on this thread...

 

[mattsdad]

unfortunately, the problem here is adequate training. the Disney employee handbook for Vero should specify, that when faced with such a situation, the appropriate response is to get three large muscular men, (probably former DVC salesmen), grab the offender at the Bar, and heave him in the disney way off the balcony onto the well manicured croquet lawn. If this is done at the appropriate time, a CM can be on the lawn to work over the perpetrator with the croquet mallet.

I always believe that standardized responses to these kinds of situations give CMs and employees less uncertaintly in doing their already hard jobs.

 

[SleepyatDVC]

Hmmm... are you sure that the man was escorted off the premises and not recruited as one of the POC animatronics. I hear they break down quite a bit and need to be reparied of "replaced."

Maybe after the Pirates of the Caribbean Movie, Disney might be also thinking about expanding the ride.

Everyone's heard about naughty children being sent to the purgatory of ISAW. What about sending the drunk and disorderly adults to POC?

Obviously, I'm just joking... I just couln't resist after the last post.

 

[RJake1]

Lets see if I have this straight. A grown man - possibly drunk - invites a 12 year old girl to his room for a drink. And now HE'S the victim????

What is the next statement in defense of this guy. Probably that "she asked for it. She was wearing one of those pink Princess T-Shirts."

As for the larger issue of VB security, I think Disney opened itself up for problems by building right next to public beach access. I still can't believe they picked that site.

 

[floridafam]

Aren't all of the beaches in Florida public? Or is that Hawaii?

Granted, they could have built somewhere that wasn't directly next to a beach access area but no matter where they may have built-anyone can use the beach in front of the resort. Anyway, I'm getting off topic. I'm sure that's why they will have to use wristbands at the pool-because they are so easily accessed by anyone.

Anyone is allowed to dine at the restaurants at the resort or have a drink at the Green Cabin Room. They do a lot of business with the locals.

I haven't read all of the posts so I'm not going to comment on the issue in the original post.

 

[msdis]

If he was bothering more than one guest he should have been asked to leave.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by RJake1
Lets see if I have this straight. A grown man - possibly drunk - invites a 12 year old girl to his room for a drink. And now HE'S the victim????

What is the next statement in defense of this guy. Probably that "she asked for it. She was wearing one of those pink Princess T-Shirts."

Hi, RJake1. I am certainly not trying to argue with anyone here, nor am I trying to defend a "true pervert". I do respect all opinions... I don't think you can find anywhere in this thread that anyone has called the guy on the balcony "a victim".
If indeed he was guilty, I would be the first one to sling the rope over the tree branch.
Many of us are just trying to be fair, and not accuse anyone of a serious crime based on two differentiating intenet postings.

Of course, we all are entitled to our own opinions...

 

[RJake1]

Its a reflection of the culture of America that so many people are so quick to defend a person -- whom everyone agreed did not conduct himself properly -- to the exclusion of concern about the little girl. Sure, nobody came out and called him a "victim". They didn't have to. The message came across loud and clear.

While all FL beaches are public, building right next to public ingress/egress area was asking for problems. It would be an entirely different story if Disney VB was bordered by two or three upscale condos on each side. You might have some paying guests from other condos peeking in to check it out, but not the riff-raff from the street that now has such easy access.

I still can't believe they chose that site.

 

[PamOKW]

The public beach IS surrounded by upscale condos and by the Disney resort. It is not a beach that attracts hordes of people. Disney had a lot of trouble getting the "neighbors" to approve to build there. They made folks feel welcome. That may be part of the "open door" policy now. The person in this incident most likely came by car in the front door. This is also the way a lot of the other pool crashers come in, too. They can park in the restaurant lot, say they want to look around and then come into the pool.

This story is getting more and more twisted. From what I read, no one invited anyone to a room. A drunk from two stories up saw a girl on her way to the pool at 7:00 p.m. He yelled down to come on up and he'd buy her a drink. Unfortunately, it was a 12 year-old he yelled to which it made it even more offensive than just yelling at any woman. I think it was offensive and I'm sorry the child was scared. However, I still think there is no tremendous problem at Vero that is any different than any other hotel. In fact, the quick way it was handled should be a positive sign. I hate to think what goes on at PI when things really getting hopping.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by PamOKW
...This story is getting more and more twisted. From what I read, no one invited anyone to a room. A drunk from two stories up saw a girl on her way to the pool at 7:00 p.m. He yelled down to come on up and he'd buy her a drink. Unfortunately, it was a 12 year-old he yelled to which it made it even more offensive than just yelling at any woman. I think it was offensive and I'm sorry the child was scared. However, I still think there is no tremendous problem at Vero that is any different than any other hotel. In fact, the quick way it was handled should be a positive sign. I hate to think what goes on at PI when things really getting hopping.

You make some good points.

Perhaps now we can let this thread die and slowly drift off to the back pages.....

 

[Sammie]

I vote for closing it and I hope I never have to sit on a jury with some of those that posted. They are very quick to judge someone guilty of being a pervert without facts.

I am sorry the young lady had to deal with some obnoxious person that had too much to drink, but it seems she was responsible and did the right thing as she had been taught to do.

 

[RJake1]

Sorry, but the only person that can close this thread is me since I started it.

I agree that we've beaten this horse to death. So, now, having heard all of the evidence, I pronounce the offender "GUILTY" and hereby officially declare this thread adjourned!!

(That means "closed" for all you newspaper reporters).

 

[ducklite]

Originally posted by RJake1
Its a reflection of the culture of America that so many people are so quick to defend a person -- whom everyone agreed did not conduct himself properly -- to the exclusion of concern about the little girl. Sure, nobody came out and called him a "victim". They didn't have to. The message came across loud and clear.

While all FL beaches are public, building right next to public ingress/egress area was asking for problems. It would be an entirely different story if Disney VB was bordered by two or three upscale condos on each side. You might have some paying guests from other condos peeking in to check it out, but not the riff-raff from the street that now has such easy access.

I still can't believe they chose that site.

We have NOT all agreed he acted inappropriately. If she was in the distance and it was dark, it's very likely he mistook her for an adult, in which case offering a drink is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE, even at Disney!

The more I think about it and the more the OP has told of the story, the more I think that it was a misunderstanding where the guy had no idea he was speaking to a younger girl. Nothing lewd or untoward was said, it was dark, and she was in the distance.

This is NOT blamiing the victim, I think there was a misunderstanding. If anything I blame the victims mother, who posted in a manner which left out material facts and offered more "shock value" than was perhaps needed.

The area IS surrounded by upscale condo's. I think it's a perfectly acceptable palce to build. If you don't you always have the option of vacationing elsewhere.

Anne

 

[mckryan]

Originally posted by RJake1
Sorry, but the only person that can close this thread is me since I started it.

Actually, the moderators can also close the thread if they so choose.

 

[ClarabelleCow]

This thread has gone way to far, now only riff-raff visits town parks and act like pigs. Did I read that right. Since when do the rich not also act offensively, gee, what about, OJ, Kobe, any of the Kennedys that have had problems, Tyson, the list goes on and on. The logic that they should have built the resort near expensive condos is a joke!! I think this whole thread should be nuked, trust me, I don't have any tolerance for "pigs" but as I said before, all that was done was a rude "Cat Call", the girl handled it great.

 

[RJake1]

Cow, you did NOT read it right. I never said "ONLY" riff-raff visits public beach.

In any event, this case is closed. GUILTY AS CHARGED.

BANG!! (sound of gavel)