Chic Fil A helping out

[Snap Crackle Pop]

What were the other issues? I just heard about the gay marriage one which doesn't bother me. I have lots of friends who believe in traditional marriage but they don't hate gay people.

They also donated money and supported camps that "de-gayed" people.

 

[ashley0139]

What Mr. Cathy ( he started Chick-fil-A) said was that he believed in.. was traditional marriage...his thoughts on what traditional marriage is for him. he stated that this was his personal and religious belief. Here in the US we have the right to freedom of religion, personal beliefs without persecution. We have the right to believe in or not believe in something... we can choose here in the United States. So whether you agree or not... its his right. That's what the 1st amendment states " Prohibits impeding the free exercise of religion"

Marriage is about 2 people who love each other and commit to that.. So for me that's the definition traditional marriage. By the way, I am woman married to the man of my dreams.. I hope everyone can find the person of their dreams.

Just because someone doesn't believe like you do ... Doesn't mean that they are wrong.. They just believe differently than you... WE all should be more accepting of each other. With what has been happening here and a across the world.. Maybe we should band together and stop worrying about what consenting adults do behind closed doors, and put our energy into protecting each other. We need to focus on child hunger, homeless families, child abuse, domestic violence, the environment, terrorism both here and a broad, the list goes on and on.

It all boils down to respect... If I respect your point of view ... in turn you should respect mine... I am not saying we have to agree but mutual respect will go along way.

For me and my family, We support whoever and whatever makes you happy................Love who you Love........be You...

Peace, Love and Pixie Dust

Nobody has an issue with him believing what he does. They have an issue with him donating millions of dollars to anti-gay foundations that support "traditional" marriage and pray away the gay camps. That is doing active harm.

Press? The press is not involved and never would be. The owners do it because they believe in helping people. They have given jobs, bought food/gave food, paid utility bills, helped with rent.........

Can you imagine someone going to the press and saying Chic-fil-A didn't help pay my rent this month, or helped with my utility bill?

The owners know the lifestyle of the people because the families wanted them to know. HIPPA laws prevent us from saying up front anything about the people in need, but it seems the LGBT want them to know.

People tend to not look at the entire picture and only see half of something or what they want to see.

I'm confused. You said that they helped many LGBT families. It's not like they seek out LGBT families to help. They are helping a lot of families, some of which happen to be LGBT. That's not going out of their way to help. That's being a decent person by not EXCLUDING a subset of people, and is not something to be commended. The helping is. Not helping LGBT families specifically though.

Maybe it's because his personal opinion is what it is, he doesn't bar someone from getting married, or being served a meal, or anything else. That other "opinion" happens to shoot up nightclubs, military bases/recruiting offices, fly planes into buildings, turn canning tools into bombs etc...And I don't believe anyone wants to ban all Muslims, just hold immigration from countries that are terrorist hotbeds. Big difference, to me anyway.

His personal opinion does do that, when he donates millions of dollars to those kinds of companies.

This is a good spot for me to point out that not all (not even close to all) Christians are opposed to marriage equality/gay people/homosexuality/however you want to put it.

I pointed that out as well earlier in the thread. MANY Christians do not hold the same belief, so to say it is a Christian belief is incorrect.

 

[DanceswithDisney]

Gay men cannot donate blood. So the only people standing in that line that Chick-Fil-A was feeding were straight people.

WRONG! Know your facts before you post. The FDA lifted the indefinite ban on Gay men donating blood in 2015.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/health/fda-gay-men-blood-donation-changes/

 

[Gracie09]

WRONG! Know your facts before you post. The FDA lifted the indefinite ban on Gay men donating blood in 2015.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/health/fda-gay-men-blood-donation-changes/

While yes the FDA has said gay men are no longer banned from donating blood, the questionnaire used to screen out those not eligible to give blood was not updates until May 27th of this year. Then, the various blood banks have to update their policies and procedures. And then the men who were previously on the indefinite ban list have to have their records updated. So as of the shooting, gay men still have difficulty donating blood. And while the ban was officially lifted in 2015, it was December 21st, 2015 that it was announced. Less than 6 months ago.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/orlando-shooting-gay-men-donate-blood/index.html

 

[jahber]

While yes the FDA has said gay men are no longer banned from donating blood, the questionnaire used to screen out those not eligible to give blood was not updates until May 27th of this year. Then, the various blood banks have to update their policies and procedures. And then the men who were previously on the indefinite ban list have to have their records updated. So as of the shooting, gay men still have difficulty donating blood. And while the ban was officially lifted in 2015, it was December 21st, 2015 that it was announced. Less than 6 months ago.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/orlando-shooting-gay-men-donate-blood/index.html

Exactly. It's not as easy as flipping a switch and saying it's ok for gay men (who haven't had sex in 12 months) to donate. The FDA compliance requirements are intensely complicated and then there is internal paperwork, screening documents, and re-training of every single employee about the new rules. Plus marketing that needs to be revised and sent out. OneBlood is a company, first and foremost, and so they are motivated financially and legally, as well as altruistically. And while it's true they screen all blood anyway, and while it is incredibly heartwarming and touching that the gay community showed up to offer to donate, every ineligible person who enters the bus uses resources that cost money and wastes the potential donor's time (on a typical day--I would not call this week typical, and especially on Sunday it was part of the grieving and healing process for people to show up at drives). So, it is in OneBlood's interest to make sure people are as clear as they can be on who can donate. I hate to hear of people waiting an hour to donate, only to learn they are ineligible. It gives people a bad opinion of donating blood, which makes people not want to donate (and i can completely understand that).
All that said, please know that OneBlood *wants* to be able to welcome everyone who wants to donate. Soon this will extend to celibate gay men and hopefully to all gay men. (As I mentioned before, my husband works for OneBlood.)

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

This is a good spot for me to point out that not all (not even close to all) Christians are opposed to marriage equality/gay people/homosexuality/however you want to put it.

 

[L&Lfan]

Nobody has an issue with him believing what he does. They have an issue with him donating millions of dollars to anti-gay foundations that support "traditional" marriage and pray away the gay camps. That is doing active harm.



I'm confused. You said that they helped many LGBT families. It's not like they seek out LGBT families to help. They are helping a lot of families, some of which happen to be LGBT. That's not going out of their way to help. That's being a decent person by not EXCLUDING a subset of people, and is not something to be commended. The helping is. Not helping LGBT families specifically though.



His personal opinion does do that, when he donates millions of dollars to those kinds of companies.



I pointed that out as well earlier in the thread. MANY Christians do not hold the same belief, so to say it is a Christian belief is incorrect.

I think it is orthodox Christian belief, though. That all sexual activity outside of marriage is forbidden.

 

[JaneBanks]

I think it is orthodox Christian belief, though. That all sexual activity outside of marriage is forbidden.

Then how come there are no "pray away the pre-marital sex" camps for straight people?

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Then how come there are no "pray away the pre-marital sex" camps for straight people?

I actually laughed out loud and startled the dogs. Bravo!

 

[JaneBanks]

I actually laughed out loud and startled the dogs. Bravo!

lol Poor dogs.

I laughed at my own horrible grammar! I apologize for that.

 

[gwynne]

Then how come there are no "pray away the pre-marital sex" camps for straight people?

@JaneBanks excellent point!

 

[lovemygoofy]

Then how come there are no "pray away the pre-marital sex" camps for straight people?

There are actual "retreats" where people go to pray away and do penance sort of things for adults. The Duggar guy that got caught cheating with anything that moved and enjoyed his porn was sent to such a retreat to "re-center" himself.

I do know someone who is very very strict Assembly of God and her husband was found many times with porn and self activity (not sure delicate family friendly way..) and he was sent away to such a camp by his wife.

 

[L&Lfan]

Then how come there are no "pray away the pre-marital sex" camps for straight people?

I can't answer that, Jane. I only know we learned about abstinence and self control when we studied the commandments. I know religious discussion is forbidden and i don't want to be censured. I was just responding to the previous poster pontificating on what is or isn't Christian belief.

 

[mom2rtk]

There's a chick-fil-a food truck outside my office right now...the line is huge!

As for feeding the blood donors, I don't care why they did it. I'm just glad they did.

It really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

 

[JaneBanks]

There are actual "retreats" where people go to pray away and do penance sort of things for adults. The Duggar guy that got caught cheating with anything that moved and enjoyed his porn was sent to such a retreat to "re-center" himself.

I do know someone who is very very strict Assembly of God and her husband was found many times with porn and self activity (not sure delicate family friendly way..) and he was sent away to such a camp by his wife.

I have no doubt that these retreats exist but I'm sure the cruelty that the gay teens face is not present at those types of retreats. I may be wrong though.

 

[lovemygoofy]

I have no doubt that these retreats exist but I'm sure the cruelty that the gay teens face is not present at those types of retreats. I may be wrong though.

I'm not defending them in the least. I don't believe in them at all but I can say that I was raised around extreme views of Christianity and saw many not nice things whether straight gay or otherwise.

One of my closest friends in college was not allowed to get engaged or marry her husband until she was examined for specific proofs of things.

Sorry now back to the topic at hand.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

Nobody has an issue with him believing what he does. They have an issue with him donating millions of dollars to anti-gay foundations that support "traditional" marriage and pray away the gay camps. That is doing active harm.



I'm confused. You said that they helped many LGBT families. It's not like they seek out LGBT families to help. They are helping a lot of families, some of which happen to be LGBT. That's not going out of their way to help. That's being a decent person by not EXCLUDING a subset of people, and is not something to be commended. The helping is. Not helping LGBT families specifically though.



His personal opinion does do that, when he donates millions of dollars to those kinds of companies.



I pointed that out as well earlier in the thread. MANY Christians do not hold the same belief, so to say it is a Christian belief is incorrect.

Why are you confused?

It's not like we have a group of people that need rent money and we all go in together. It's usually one family at a time, so no excluding going on if they wanted to say no.

My point was, Chic-fil-A has done a lot of wonderful things for people even when they disagree with a lifestyle.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

lol Poor dogs.

I laughed at my own horrible grammar! I apologize for that.

They don't mind because they know I'll feel bad and give them a treat. I think they've officially figured me out. I'm in deep now.

 

[theme_park_mom]

If I didn't eat at any place where the person in charge didn't agree with me 100% on all issues - I'd never eat anywhere.

... not even at home.

I am dying laughing!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

 

[theme_park_mom]

Then how come there are no "pray away the pre-marital sex" camps for straight people?

I know this is meant to be funny, and it is. But, there really are Christian camps like this, and they are not judgy or preachy at all. Instead, they are intended to teach kids to treat sex with respect and not take that decision lightly. In my circles, it is not intended to condemn any kid who makes (or made) a different decision, but to have a place to talk about it openly without fear of judgement.