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[mom2boys77]

I do have a question that is a little off topic but maybe I can get an answer. When you order pizza delivery and they charge a delivery fee..the restaurant gets that fee right..not the driver??

 

[In a hurry]

I don't think it shows a lack of class at all if the non-tipping was deserved. If someone gives me crappy service and a bad attitude then why should I tip them?? I'm so sorry that they don't make a lot of money but I didn't force them to be a server.

You are right. I should have stated that not tipping when well served is classless.

 

[CathrynRose]

I don't think it shows a lack of class at all if the non-tipping was deserved. If someone gives me crappy service and a bad attitude then why should I tip them?? I'm so sorry that they don't make a lot of money but I didn't force them to be a server.

We werent talking about bad attitiude's or crappy service. We're talking about tipping - in general. It seems many people seem to think that unless your server is rubbing your feet while you eat, they deserve nothing.

And the bolded comment? Unreal. And nobody forced you to come into a full service restaurant, either - where tips are the 'norm'.

My years of Bartending and Waitressing left me with a horrible neck, bad wrists and bad ankles, and a ball of foot problem. Thanks for the 5%!!! Since you didnt 'force' me to serve.

 

[In a hurry]

I do have a question that is a little off topic but maybe I can get an answer. When you order pizza delivery and they charge a delivery fee..the restaurant gets that fee right..not the driver??

Our papa john's passes the fee to the drivers to compensate for gas. I'm not sure about other places. We still tip, for door to door service. DH worked pizza delivery in college.

 

[declansdad]

Youre a perfect example of someone whom should go to McDonalds.

I didnt say 20% is expected. But a tip certainly is, unless you have reason otherwise - in which case you should probably speak with a manager - and not take it out on the person waiting on you, no?

I'm glad you know me so well that you can tell me where I should eat.

In one of your posts, you said tipping was expected unless you were a crappy server. That is what I'm talking about. If the person waiting on me was the reason that there was to be no tip, I would leave no tip and explain to to the manager.

 

[In a hurry]

We werent talking about bad attitiude's or crappy service. We're talking about tipping - in general. It seems many people seem to think that unless your server is rubbing your feet while you eat, they deserve nothing.

And the bolded comment? Unreal. And nobody forced you to come into a full service restaurant, either - where tips are the 'norm'.

My years of Bartending and Waitressing left me with a horrible neck, bad wrists and bad ankles, and a ball of foot problem. Thanks for the 5%!!! Since you didnt 'force' me to serve.

No kidding. I waited tables in college. I actually took a paycut when I went into my first teaching job!

As far as the statement about not forcing someone into a job, well, I like having good people in the service industries. How pleasant would life be if they weren't. I figure it is Karma. You treat people well, and hope that other's do it for your kids while they are waiting tables in college, or whatever.

 

[Angelhalo]

That's a crock. You are not entitled to a tip, it is a reward for good service. If you don't provide that service, you don't deserve a 20% tip. IF you give completely lousy service, you deserve nothing.

I believe that posters point was that the price for the service is printed on the menu. If you pay that price, as a customer, you are fulfilling your obligations of the transaction

but this person is not talking abotu the quality of the service. Basically they are saying that if you are going to a table service establishment that you should go in ASSUMING that you will be leaving a tip and it should be in your mind already that you should have enough allocations for that. However if the service is BAD, then of course things may change.

But, if you already know before you even step foot in the door, that you cannot afford to leave a decent tip to a good server, then you shouldn't even go in.

 

[mickeyboat]

To address the tipping on a buffet issue - the only thing the waitress doesn't do that she would normally do at table service is deliver your food. She still takes your order, brings your drinks, makes sure you have what you need, processes your bill and cleans and re-sets the table.

Where I worked, we had a buffet on the weekends, and unless there were many buspeople there, the waitstaff had to maintain the buffet. If we had buspeople who cleaned and reset the tables and maintained the buffet, we had to tip them out.

I usually preferred to have tables actually order from the menu instead of from the buffet because I worked the same amount for that table, and was less likely to be stiffed a tip.

 

[CathrynRose]

I still cannot believe that some of you still have this train of thought.

I was on Disney Message Boards back in 1996 - and there were people like you then too.

It IS assumed I will be tipped unless *I* (not the kitchen, not the busser, not the food runner) *I* mess up. Its not a reward. A reward??? Are you serious??

Its folks like you (general you) that make serving such a joy. We see you coming from a mile away. You run us until we're ready to drop, and then leave us 5%.

 

[declansdad]

but this person is not talking abotu the quality of the service. Basically they are saying that if you are going to a table service establishment that you should go in ASSUMING that you will be leaving a tip and it should be in your mind already that you should have enough allocations for that. However if the service is BAD, then of course things may change.

I understand and agree with that.

This poster didn't say that you shouldn't tip. In my mind they said that the price for the service is the one printed on the menu. The same as if you go into your grocery store, the price on the sticker is the price you are required to pay. Tipping is an extra if it is not printed on the menu. No one is entitled to that tip just because they do some work.

Not once have I ever said don't tip or I don't tip. What gets me going is people who feel that they are entitled to a tip just because they served me.

 

[CathrynRose]

What gets me going is people who feel that they are entitled to a tip just because they served me.

They are.

Thats what full service is.

How much is entirely up to you.

 

[happygirl]

I'm a server I make 3.33 a hour. Yes That is all I make. You can;t count on any other money. 3.33 is a guarnteed. Tips aren't

I would never ever leave less then 15% for a tip. I don't care how bad the server is EVERYONE has bad days

 

[Michelle67]

I'm sorry you are experiencing a drop in tips.

We eat out very seldom, but I am a very good tipper if I get good service. I don't expect the server to do backflips for me, either. Just take my order in a decent amount of time and keep an eye on our drinks. And kindly don't ask me how everything is immediately after I shove a big bite in my mouth.

To wander a bit OT, I hate going to restaurants where the tip is automatically figured into the bill. A tip is supposed to be a gesture of thanks for good service, not a given. To me, adding it automatically is almost an invitation for mediocre service. I get why a lot of restaurants do it with large parties, though, since a server will probably spend a lot of time and effort on a large group and sometimes people will leave tiny tips assuming everyone else at the table is going to leave something and it will add up to a decent tip---which it may or may not.

 

[JessicaR]

I feel very bad when servers are stiffed or short changed. Most work so hard and deserve to be tipped fairly! I worked in a tipping position for years and have found the over tippers compensate for the cheapos! (usually) I do wonder if people are cutting back on the amount they tip based on the increase of everything else. That would suck. In any event I hope the OP has a streak of great tippers in her future!

We eat out a lot and tip well. The servers tip starts at 20% when we sit down and can go up or down from there. My husband would still tip 20% for poor service and I won't. It has to be obvious poor service that continues through out the meal not just a one time thing for me to want to leave less. Thankfully those meals are far and few between because my husband cant stand it if I feel the need to bring something to the managers attention and if the server isn't getting 20%.

 

[livie1205]

Youre a perfect example of someone whom should go to McDonalds.

I didnt say 20% is expected. But a tip certainly is, unless you have reason otherwise - in which case you should probably speak with a manager - and not take it out on the person waiting on you, no?

well thats a perfect example of someone that should have MORE class....what gives you the right to tell someone to eat at mcdonalds? Tip what you like when you go out to eat but to tell someone to eat at mcdonalds? oh pleeez I tip what I feel they earned not a penny more.If they did great than I will give a great tip...If I get very bad service they will get .50 cent.
I see what all the talk is about now....

 

[CathrynRose]

well thats a perfect example of someone that should have MORE class....what gives you the right to tell someone to eat at mcdonalds? Tip what you like when you go out to eat but to tell someone to eat at mcdonalds? oh pleeez I tip what I feel they earned not a penny more.If they did great than I will give a great tip...If I get very bad service they will get .50 cent.
I see what all the talk is about now....

The person who goes into a FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT and doesnt expect to tip, unless there is a problem, should be eating at McDonalds.

Any server will agree with you.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

We werent talking about bad attitiude's or crappy service. We're talking about tipping - in general. It seems many people seem to think that unless your server is rubbing your feet while you eat, they deserve nothing.

And the bolded comment? Unreal. And nobody forced you to come into a full service restaurant, either - where tips are the 'norm'.

My years of Bartending and Waitressing left me with a horrible neck, bad wrists and bad ankles, and a ball of foot problem. Thanks for the 5%!!! Since you didnt 'force' me to serve.

I will also add that I expect different levels of service at different qualities of restaurants.

At a 'nice' restaurant, I expect exemplary service. The meal is much more expensive, so my 20% is much more, therefore the expectations are much higher. In a 4 or 5 star restaurant, the server should just about be rubbing my feet. Excellent service is one of the many reasons a 'nice' restaurant can charge exhorbitant prices.

In a diner, I have a much lower expectation of service for that 20%.

Example, in a 'nice' restaurant, a bill for some steak, wine, atmosphere and excellent service will run around $250 for a table of 4. So, for our table alone, our server will be getting $50.00 (at the 20%) for the hour she waited on our table (not including the other tables she has for that hour).

At a chain restaurant, a bottle of wine, a steak, atmosphere and great service might run about $100 for a party of 4. So, the server will be getting about $20.00 for that hour she worked.

Same bottle of wine, same steak, same basic duties, same table of 4. So, I definitely expect way more for my $50.00 than I would for my $20.00.

Now if the chain restaurant server provides service on par with a 'nice' restaurant, I am the first person to bump his/her tip to over the 20% we usually tip.

If the service falls below the expectations of the quality of the restaurant, less than 20%, sometimes none for very poor service (in relation to the restaurant) will be given.

Just as I would expect any service provider, be it my roofer, etc, to provide better service for higher pay, I view my tipping policies as not only as a % of the bill, but also as the quality of service I am getting for the price I am paying. People being paid $50.00 an hour (not including base pay or other tables) should be providing service that does fall just short of foot rubs. Whereas, somebody only earning the $20.00 on my bill, I expect my drinks to be refilled and the server to check-in a couple of times during our meal.

 

[In a hurry]

I will also add that I expect different levels of service at different qualities of restaurants.

At a 'nice' restaurant, I expect exemplary service. The meal is much more expensive, so my 20% is much more, therefore the expectations are much higher. In a 4 or 5 star restaurant, the server should just about be rubbing my feet. Excellent service is one of the many reasons a 'nice' restaurant can charge exhorbitant prices.

In a diner, I have a much lower expectation of service for that 20%.

Example, in a 'nice' restaurant, a bill for some steak, wine, atmosphere and excellent service will run around $250 for a table of 4. So, for our table alone, our server will be getting $50.00 (at the 20%) for the hour she waited on our table (not including the other tables she has for that hour).

At a chain restaurant, a bottle of wine, a steak, atmosphere and great service may would run about $100 for a party of 4. So, the server will be getting about $20.00 for that hour she worked.

Same bottle of wine, same steak, same basic duties. So, I definitely expect way more for my $50.00 than I would for my $20.00.

Now if the chain restaurant server provides service on par with a 'nice' restaurant, I am the first person to bump his/her tip to over the 20% we usually tip.

If the service falls below the expectations of the quality of the restaurant, less than 20%, sometimes none for very poor service (in relation to the restaurant) will be given.

I view my tipping policies as not only as a % of the bill, but also as the quality of service I am getting for the price I am paying. People being paid $50.00 an hour (not including base pay or other tables) should be providing service that does fall just short of foot rubs.

Well said!!!

 

[CathrynRose]

I view my tipping policies as not only as a % of the bill, but also as the quality of service I am getting for the price I am paying. People being paid $50.00 an hour (not including base pay or other tables) should be providing service that does fall just short of foot rubs.

Youre absolutely right, it should.

The thorn in my side is the 'reward' and that they dont have to tip at all, because theyve paid for their purchase. Its a reward. That, IMO, is absurd. It truly is. Full service is expected to tip. Its almost playing dumb, to say otherwise.

Story - I had a 12 top one night. Everything was hunky dory- they wanted their checks all seperate though - end of the meal came and before I dropped the check, we had a policy to get the manager to do one of those "How was everything" - because we'd be adding 18% on, and didnt want any suprises, right?

Manager asks - everyone is thrilled! She was great! Wonderful! Peachy!

I split the check up - 18% added onto each one. I spent a good 2 hours with them, and did a great job. They said so themselves.

They get their bills, and theyre FURIOUS it's been added on. It was an 8 or more policy - it's on the menu. But they all had seperate checks, was their reasoning they shouldnt have it tacked on. Ohhhh - okay...

So, I get the manager, he asks - I thought you said everything was great! They said it was - but they were NOT tipping 18%. They took up 2 of my big tables for 2+ hours.... but they had no intention of paying me for that.

That manager paid me out of HIS pocket that night.

*THAT* is what servers deal with and it still burns me up, after Ive been long gone from the serving world.

Its not a reward.

 

[livie1205]

they didnt say they DO NOT TIP...they were making a point.I do not care what a server thinks about a bad tip IF THEY GIVE BAD service....if I am eating somewhere and the silly waitress is to busy chatting up her buddies and flirting with guys to fill my glass or get me some napkins than she will go home broke and thinking maybe she should take more pride in her job, then I will pay for the food I ate and leave a very small tip.
Maybe it is not that more people are being cheap now...maybe it is because money is so tight they will no longer pay for bad service! gas is 4.00 a gallon here I will not pay for someone to ignore me through out my whole meal...