Chanukah vent - stupid grocery store

[Tigger&Belle]

CHanukah is from the book of Maccabees and is usually not included in the Christian OT

My comment was in response to Dawn's comment about how she learned stuff in Sunday school about various things not directly a part of Christianity.

 

[disneychrista]

Just curious - have you also taught your DD about why Chanukah is celebrated? I think it is wonderful if you are doing so and educating her about the history that goes along with the holiday. This is the single best way to foster tolerance, understanding and acceptance of those who are different from ourselves.

She did a report last year on Chanukah, so yes she does know the reason Chanukah is celebrated.

 

[DawnCt1]

Generally speaking,I don't care..You can't tell I practice Judaism by looking at me.. I love a Merry Christmas..Now yesterday a salesperson asked me if I needed help and I said I was looking for a Hannukah gift.When I was done she said Happy Hannukah..It would have been pretty silly of her to say Merry Christmas at that point.
99% of the time Merry Christmas is fine.. If I see someone in a yarmulke,I'm probbably not going to say Merry Christmas.

I had a co worker whose husband was Israeli and he disdained Christmas. She followed suit. She didn't like it when we set up a Christmas tree in the office and when I left, she asked if I was going to take the "pathetic Christmas tree" with me. The building that I worked in decorated for Christmas and it was appropriate to have a 3 ft tree in the waiting area of the clinic. I have to say that she was certainly the exception to the Jews I know. I had never met anyone who was outwardly hostile to Christmas before.

 

[JennyMominRI]

My comment was in response to Dawn's comment about how she learned stuff in Sunday school about various things not directly a part of Christianity.

I *think * I quoted the wrong post


I've been dipping in the eggnog

 

[ford family]

I get out plenty, thank you, sometimes with my many Jewish friends, which is why your insensitivity offended me. Perhaps if YOU got out more and mingled with others different from yourself you might find the inclination to practice tolerence toward other peoples feelings.

Where have I been intolerant? I have no problem with anybody following whatever faith they want to. But I don't have to know about or care about it or learn about it or teach anybody else about it because it isn't relevant to me or my family or my friends, none of whom are Jewish.
You are so uptight about everybody else's feelings that you take offence on their behalf. If they are offended, let them say so. Don't patronise them by claiming to think for them.
And why should I go out and mingle with people different to myself just because you think I should? Is there a quota now for how many friends you have to have from each major religion or from each ethnic group? No? I thought not. Tolerance is not a badge you get to wear, it is a way of thinking and acting towards all people regardless of whether or not you agree with their views.

ford family

 

[JennyMominRI]

I had a co worker whose husband was Israeli and he disdained Christmas. She followed suit. She didn't like it when we set up a Christmas tree in the office and when I left, she asked if I was going to take the "pathetic Christmas tree" with me. The building that I worked in decorated for Christmas and it was appropriate to have a 3 ft tree in the waiting area of the clinic. I have to say that she was certainly the exception to the Jews I know. I had never met anyone who was outwardly hostile to Christmas before.

Unfortunately every religion has it's lampshade cousins

 

[eclectics]

Where have I been intolerant? I have no problem with anybody following whatever faith they want to. But I don't have to know about or care about it or learn about it or teach anybody else about it because it isn't relevant to me or my family or my friends, none of whom are Jewish.
You are so uptight about everybody else's feelings that you take offence on their behalf. If they are offended, let them say so. Don't patronise them by claiming to think for them.
And why should I go out and mingle with people different to myself just because you think I should? Is there a quota now for how many friends you have to have from each major religion or from each ethnic group? No? I thought not. Tolerance is not a badge you get to wear, it is a way of thinking and acting towards all people regardless of whether or not you agree with their views.

ford family

Excellent last sentence. Try it sometime.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

Its their holiday? Precisely. So why should anybody else need to know or have to care about it?
And if all you have to be offended about is somebody you don't know not caring about a faith you don't follow then I suggest you need to get out more.

ford family

"Wow", is my first and most profound thought to your post.

I would say that if you don't know anyone who is of other faiths then you are the one who needs to get out more. Like I already mentioned, I was raised in an area with very little diversity, but I did grow up and am now am in an area with people of all faiths and skin colors.

And I still don't care if I'm wished a Merry Christmas and don't buy into all the PC crap, but it doesn't mean that I try to offend.

 

[mickeymom923]

Wow. This certainly got carried away - I believe it started about candles.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

I *think * I quoted the wrong post


I've been dipping in the eggnog

Could be--I'm losing track!

 

[Disneyrsh]

Actually it IS very insensitive. Why would you wish someone a Merry Christmas when you know they don’t celebrate it? Specially right after the costumer is asking you why the supermarket does not cater to their faith. It’s like rubbing the whole Christmas thing in the OP’s face. Why didn’t she could have said "Happy Chanukah"?

Yeah, that was totally, well, baggers aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, I think they just say it by rote. I figure nobody's going to be mad if I say Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, because most Christians are aware that there's as much old testament in their religion as new testament, and the miracle of Hanukah's pretty cool, even if they don't celebrate it, I think it's at least ok to embrace it.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

Where have I been intolerant? I have no problem with anybody following whatever faith they want to. But I don't have to know about or care about it or learn about it or teach anybody else about it because it isn't relevant to me or my family or my friends, none of whom are Jewish.

You know what? I'm as white as my kitchen counters (minus the dirt that I need to clean off if I'd just quite DISing...), but I've still read books to my kids about Kwanza, my son has still gone to Muslim services, and I still love to learn about the cultures and beliefs of other people, whether they are as lily white as me or not.

 

[DawnCt1]

Wow. This certainly got carried away - I believe it started about candles.

Mrs. O'Leary burned Chicago down when her cow kicked over the candles!

 

[Skywalker]

Did you read the whole thread?

Hi Tigger, yes I read the whole thread. My particular comment was aimed at the OP who seemed to be ticked off at being told "Merry Christmas" (because it was part of the reasons listed for the grocery store being "stupid"). I mean, why is that a complaint? Who cares??

That is all I meant.

 

[ford family]

"Wow", is my first and most profound thought to your post.

I would say that if you don't know anyone who is of other faiths then you are the one who needs to get out more. Like I already mentioned, I was raised in an area with very little diversity, but I did grow up and am now am in an area with people of all faiths and skin colors.

And I still don't care if I'm wished a Merry Christmas and don't buy into all the PC crap, but it doesn't mean that I try to offend.

Nobody is trying to offend.
One more try, its late here. Tolerance is letting people believe what they want to believe, practise what they want to practise. It is not aping what they do ("I'm not Jewish but I have a whatever candle"). Its not learning all about their faith so you can patronise them over their favourite religious foodstuff. Its not minimising your own beliefs in case it offends theirs. It is not about seeking out diversity for the sake of diversity and letting them know that you are "ok" with what they do.
Tolerance is giving them elbow room to be themselves without any pretence on your part that their being different is important to you.

ford family

 

[DawnCt1]

Nobody is trying to offend.
One more try, its late here. Tolerance is letting people believe what they want to believe, practise what they want to practise. It is not aping what they do ("I'm not Jewish but I have a whatever candle"). Its not learning all about their faith so you can patronise them over their favourite religious foodstuff. Its not minimising your own beliefs in case it offends theirs. It is not about seeking out diversity for the sake of diversity and letting them know that you are "ok" with what they do.
Tolerance is giving them elbow room to be themselves without any pretence on your part that their being different is important to you.

ford family

Very well said. We don't need to celebrate other's holidays and Holy Days in order to respect their right to do so.

 

[ford family]

You know what? I'm as white as my kitchen counters (minus the dirt that I need to clean off if I'd just quite DISing...), but I've still read books to my kids about Kwanza, my son has still gone to Muslim services, and I still love to learn about the cultures and beliefs of other people, whether they are as lily white as me or not.

Well bully for you!! Way to go T&B!!! I bet those Kwanzas and Muslims were just tickled pink about that. Nothing better than having an infidel in the mosque during our devotions. Mustn't complain though, these good folks are not just being diverse just for us, they want to be seen to be diverse.

ford family

 

[Tigger&Belle]

Well bully for you!! Way to go T&B!!! I bet those Kwanzas and Muslims were just tickled pink about that. Nothing better than having an infidel in the mosque during our devotions. Mustn't complain though, these good folks are not just being diverse just for us, they want to be seen to be diverse.

ford family

Boy, you really have an attitude. Part of my son's religious school education was to learn about different religions--hence the visit to a couple churches, along with a Muslim service and maybe another one. We've also had visitors in our congregation and we are "tickled pink", to use your patronizing term.

Of course you don't need to celebrate the holidays of anyone else. But what if you knew some Jewish people and they invited you over for latkes and candle lighting...would you go? Of course you wouldn't be saying the blessings, at least not without actually reading them if you so desired, but would you be willing to break bread with them?

 

[JennyMominRI]

Well bully for you!! Way to go T&B!!! I bet those Kwanzas and Muslims were just tickled pink about that. Nothing better than having an infidel in the mosque during our devotions. Mustn't complain though, these good folks are not just being diverse just for us, they want to be seen to be diverse.

ford family

The Muslims I knew didn't view me as an Infidel..In fact they always wished me Shabbat Shalom.. As long as I was respectful,I could have gone to their Mosque. I have lots of Muslim friends,or I did before I left California..None of them viewed me as an Infidel.In fact they viewed me as a person of the book,and felt they had much in common with judaism.. Since Halal laws and Kosher laws are similar,they often patronized the Jewish kosher market I sometimes went too
PS ,what's a kwanzaa?
Kwanzaa is a non-religious holiday celebrating african traditions

 

[Tigger&Belle]

PS ,what's a kwanzaa?
Kwanzaa is a non-religious holiday celebrating african traditions

LOL, I was laughing to hard to answer that one!