Chanukah vent - stupid grocery store

[Tigger&Belle]

It's aged Parmesan cheese

So do you make them the same as traditional latkes, with the added cheese and green onions?

 

[JennyMominRI]

So do you make them the same as traditional latkes, with the added cheese and green onions?

yes,,I just add.Of course then it's not pareve anymore

 

[Tigger&Belle]

yes,,I just add.Of course then it's not pareve anymore

Not only are we not kosher, but we're also vegetarian, so that wouldn't be important to us, but obviously would be for some.

 

[chobie]

Sounds good, Italian latkes.

There are Jewish people in Italy.

 

[phillybeth]

I find it amazing that there are Christians who not only don't know anything about Judaism, but think it has no bearing on their faith.

Are that many people unaware that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder? Or why it was so important that Jesus' body be buried before sundown- as he was crucified on Friday, the body had to be interred before the Sabbath began at sundown. That's why Mary Magdalen went to his tomb on Sunday and was witness to the Resurrection- she wanted to complete the burial rituals that were not done on Friday, and could not by law be done on the Sabbath. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. In order to understand the Christian faith, you should have at least a basic working knowledge of Judaism.

 

[DawnCt1]

There are Jewish people in Italy.

I will bet there are a LOT of Italians in Rhode Island. It was a joke.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

I will bet there are a LOT of Italians in Rhode Island. It was a joke.

I thought it was kind of funny...

 

[vivilasvegas]

Personally, I think the people on the boards who insist I have no right to be frustrated are the extreme.

Hey, you can be frustrated all you want!! I'm just giving my opinion.

 

[delilah]

I find it amazing that there are Christians who not only don't know anything about Judaism, but think it has no bearing on their faith.

Are that many people unaware that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder? Or why it was so important that Jesus' body be buried before sundown- as he was crucified on Friday, the body had to be interred before the Sabbath began at sundown. That's why Mary Magdalen went to his tomb on Sunday and was witness to the Resurrection- she wanted to complete the burial rituals that were not done on Friday, and could not by law be done on the Sabbath. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. In order to understand the Christian faith, you should have at least a basic working knowledge of Judaism.

That was the rationale for the religion curriculum in the Catholic school I attended in the 6th and 7th grades, to give us a good foundation for understanding the origins of our faith. I cannot answer for other Catholics or christians who didn't attend parochial school. I think the focus of the religious education on Sunday is more sociological, and not so much historical. There is no way that a person can learn as much in one hour on Sunday that can be learned in a daily religion class, as we had in school. I know that not every Catholic child attends parochial school, and even worse, some parents only have their children attend religious education for First Communion preparation in second grade, and that is the end of it. (Even my own sister never made her Confirmation, because our family moved from Chicago to Florida, and she attended public school in Florida. There was no Catholic school in the parish we moved to at the time (Gainesville), and I don't even think there was religious education.

 

[gometros]

As for Chanukah, your math is correct. Over the 8 nights, 44 candles will be used. However, I have seen boxes of candles that come with 45. I have no clue what that 45th candle is for and keep forgetting to ask our rabbi.

I have the funny feeling that someone will have answered this by the time I finish this thread, but the answer is simple....










It's in case you break one

 

[gometros]

I suggest you re-read your history books because very few people anywhere were aware of the "final solution" project until the horrors unfolded after the war had ended. They were aware of Jews being taken from communities in occupied Europe, often with the co-operation of the local populace, but there was no awareness that these people were being sent to death camps.

ford family

Actually, I suggest that you re-read your history books, because you clearly are not borrowing from the correct library. The fact is, a good many people, including our ouw State Department and the Vatican did know about the exterminations, but chose to do nothing.

 

[gometros]

That same co worker would "suck up" to our boss who would visit twice a year and take us out to dinner. She too was Jewish but somewhat more "inclusive". The co worker would go out of her way to use Yiddish words and talk about cultural issues that she was sure I wouldn't be familiar with, criticize my food choices as (the word for not clean) and then start a discussion about the scandals in the Catholic church. (I am not Catholic but I guess Christian was close enough). The message she was clearly attempting to send to our boss was, "I am on your side, she isn't". I know that she is NOT representative of most Jews. In fact, she was unlike anyone I have ever met and I am happy not to be working with her. God works in mysterious ways.

There are insensitive people in all faiths. A few years ago when I was working for another company, a few co-workers were decorating the cubicles in our area for Christmas with wrapping paper (sort of wrapping the walled area to make it look like a gift box with ribbon). I told them thank you, but I'd rather not have my cubicle so decorated. My manager, who was not Jewish, gave me this look like why would I dare refuse to be like everyone else?

 

[momof2inPA]

Actually, I suggest that you re-read your history books, because you clearly are not borrowing from the correct library. The fact is, a good many people, including our ouw State Department and the Vatican did know about the exterminations, but chose to do nothing.

Our State Department did nothing? Tell that to the families of all the U.S. soldiers who died in WWII. No, we weren't there to stop the holocaust, but the result of our and the other allies being there, was an end to the death camps. And as for saying the Vatican did nothing, Italy was having some troubles of their own, as did Catholics under the Third Reich. To be quite honest, Jewish people didn't do a whole lot to defend themselves. I think they felt quite hopeless, so why should we be surprised that other groups felt and reacted the same?

 

[Tigger&Belle]

Our State Department did nothing? Tell that to the families of all the U.S. soldiers who died in WWII. No, we weren't there to stop the holocaust, but the result of our and the other allies being there, was an end to the death camps. And as for saying the Vatican did nothing, Italy was having some troubles of their own, as did Catholics under the Third Reich. To be quite honest, Jewish people didn't do a whole lot to defend themselves. I think they felt quite hopeless, so why should we be surprised that other groups felt and reacted the same?

I am no history expert and I'm sure that others can quote more facts in a timeline, but it took a long time for our government to act. Eventually, yes, but not in the beginning. And my father was one of the soldiers who fought in WWII, by the way.

And what were the Jewish people supposed to do that they didn't. Hard to resist when taken against their will. And a lot of people did flee and others hid. But of course they were lied to in the beginning. Take a trip to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC and you can learn a lot about the actual Holocaust, but what I thought was most facinating was learning about the years of history leading up to it.

 

[DawnCt1]

I am no history expert and I'm sure that others can quote more facts in a timeline, but it took a long time for our government to act. Eventually, yes, but not in the beginning. And my father was one of the soldiers who fought in WWII, by the way.

And what were the Jewish people supposed to do that they didn't. Hard to resist when taken against their will. And a lot of people did flee and others hid. But of course they were lied to in the beginning. Take a trip to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC and you can learn a lot about the actual Holocaust, but what I thought was most facinating was learning about the years of history leading up to it.

We did take to long to get into WWII, way too long. Roosevelt was torn because he knew it was the right thing to do but antisemitism was rampant in the United States and he didn't wanted to be accused of just going to war for the "jews". (Michael Beshchloss's book, The Conquerors") Also, there was a great deal of isolationism that felt Europe should take care of it. Then there was Neville Chamberlain who felt that Hitler only wanted "some" of Europe and we should appease him. Kind of like some felt we should do with Saddam. We know how good appeasing Hilter worked. With regard to the "Jews defending themselves". We have a second amendment in the US. They had no means to defend themselves.

 

[JennyMominRI]

We did take to long to get into WWII, way too long. Roosevelt was torn because he knew it was the right thing to do but antisemitism was rampant in the United States and he didn't wanted to be accused of just going to war for the "jews". (Michael Beshchloss's book, The Conquerors") Also, there was a great deal of isolationism that felt Europe should take care of it. Then there was Neville Chamberlain who felt that Hitler only wanted "some" of Europe and we should appease him. Kind of like some felt we should do with Saddam. We know how good appeasing Hilter worked. With regard to the "Jews defending themselves". We have a second amendment in the US. They had no means to defend themselves.

And tens of thousand of Jews did defend themseles. It's just not something taught in US history books..entire countries with armies like Poland and France could not defend themselves ,but people expected the Jews too.
As to american soldier(this is not directed at you Dawn) The Average American didn't even know about what was going on,only The governement did.. US and russian warplanes flew over Auschwitz many times and did nothing about it... Most American soldiers, upon seeing Bergen-Belson ,Dachau etc,had no idea what they were seeing..They had no way to know what was going on.. I'm not saying that the American (and russian forces in the east) weren't responsible for ending the Holocaust,but that certainly was not a motivatig factor in why they fought.They didn't know

 

[rigs32]

There is proof that the US knew about the extermination camps and were asked by Jewish groups to bomb the train tracks that lead to the camps. The US refused, claiming that they couldn't spare the manpower, but they bombed approved targets very close by (50 miles maybe - super close when you're in a plane). I do not have links to such proof, but I read the memos at both Yad Vashem and the US Holocaust museum.

The US, and other countries, also refused entry to Jews fleeing Nazi countries.

There was a massive uprising in the Warsaw ghetto once the Jews figured out what was going on. As for the death camps, they were told it was a shower. Why would you think you'd end up dying when they went through the motions as they did? And there were also uprising at the camps. I believe it was Auschwitz where Jews blew up one of the crematoriums and took out a bunch of guards.

As with anything, I bet most figured if they played along, they'd live long enough to be freed. Isn't that why they tell carjacking victims to play along? Do actively get yourself killed? Much like the people on the 9/11 flight that crashed in PA, once they KNEW they were going to die no matter what, many started fighting back.

 

[JennyMominRI]

There is proof that the US knew about the extermination camps and were asked by Jewish groups to bomb the train tracks that lead to the camps. The US refused, claiming that they couldn't spare the manpower, but they bombed approved targets very close by (50 miles maybe - super close when you're in a plane). I do not have links to such proof, but I read the memos at both Yad Vashem and the US Holocaust museum.

The US, and other countries, also refused entry to Jews fleeing Nazi countries.

There was a massive uprising in the Warsaw ghetto once the Jews figured out what was going on. As for the death camps, they were told it was a shower. Why would you think you'd end up dying when they went through the motions as they did? And there were also uprising at the camps. I believe it was Auschwitz where Jews blew up one of the crematoriums and took out a bunch of guards.

As with anything, I bet most figured if they played along, they'd live long enough to be freed. Isn't that why they tell carjacking victims to play along? Do actively get yourself killed? Much like the people on the 9/11 flight that crashed in PA, once they KNEW they were going to die no matter what, many started fighting back.

There were major uprising s in Warwsaw(Jews held out longer there than the entire polish army did in 1939) Vilna, Bialystok
to name a few large cities...There wer hundreds of uprisings in smaller towns.
There was a mass escape at Sobibor in which they killed many of the Nazi and Ukrainains guards...There was a revolt at Treblinka,the camp at which the 500,000 Jews of warsaw were killed.. The revolt actually closed the camp,as did the one at Sobibor and yes,there was a revolt at Auschwitz by the Sondercommando,in which they destroyed the crematoria.. To say Jews didn't fight back is just,innacurate

 

[gometros]

Our State Department did nothing? Tell that to the families of all the U.S. soldiers who died in WWII. No, we weren't there to stop the holocaust, but the result of our and the other allies being there, was an end to the death camps. And as for saying the Vatican did nothing, Italy was having some troubles of their own, as did Catholics under the Third Reich. To be quite honest, Jewish people didn't do a whole lot to defend themselves. I think they felt quite hopeless, so why should we be surprised that other groups felt and reacted the same?

From the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum web site"

The State Department also delayed publicizing reports of genocide. In August 1942, the State Department received a cable confirming Nazi plans for the murder of Europe's Jews. The report, sent by Gerhart Riegner (the representative in Geneva of the World Jewish Congress), was not passed on.

You can find more information here:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005182

 

[frndshpcptn]

momof2inPA - check out the US Holocaust Museum - I think it would open your eyes to a lot of the inaccuracies in your post.

It saddens me when people don't know what really happened to all those innocent people that were killed so tragically...and so needlessly.