Changes to MYW Dining?

I think the most fair thing to do is make Child credits distinguished from Adult credits - just like tickets. If you are paying $10 for a kid on a dining plan, it's not fair to use those for signature meals for adults. (I hesitate to use the word "fair", but could think of no other alternative)

This way, people who want to split meals are not penalized. It would also be annoying if they actually put the meal credits on each individual card instead of per reservation. I think even if they put it per card - and you wanted to split meals - you'd just give them one card for one meal. I do think this would be a nightmare for servers to try to process "payment" with multiple cards.
 
Whooo, what a headache with all those credits and things. I guess I'm not so disappointed now that I could not purchase the dining plan with my land/sea package!

Plus, I think it is human nature with the way the world is so expensive these days to maximize what you get for your money! I think it is very scary to refer to these methods as fraud (I don't know about how making up children would save $$ though).

NOw, we haven't used this plan or don't know much about it, but when you check in and are given your keys, can't they just ask for proof of age of children or something? I know my 2yo cannot pass for 4.

No flaming, I'm just not that familiar and the word fraud is very scary to me!
 
Well, I cannot say I am suprised. I figured this was coming. I had planned all along to just use my 8 year-olds meal credits for kids meals...I am still planning, however, to share my meals with DD (11). She is considered an adult by Disney, so I see nothing wrong with sharing a meal or two with her. Heck, in some of the more laid back places we may share the meal among 3 (my mom is a very light eater) and just order extra drinks and whatever else we want. Please don't think this is really cheap...truth be told I have looked at all of the menus, figured what we would reasonably eat and planned from there. We will probably end up loosing some TS credits....but I would rather just not use them then order all of those meals just because we can. I am still assuming, even if they do split the meals into a per person "thing" that we can choose to use DD's "meal credit" and she and I can order one meal and split it, then maybe at the next place use my "meal credit" and do the same.

As for Disney making money on the meal plan and still making tons on the stuff not included in the plan...I agree totally. I don't think it's any accident that Dole Whips are not included and that most of the places that sell turkey legs would be a waste of a counter service meal...jmho.
 
Just wanted to add to my prvious post that people may have planned differently if they had known about the changes. There have already been to major changes since I planned our trip and I may not have gotten the plan had I known. Not trying to cheat or take whats not mine.
 

I'm just a bit confused. I don't have kids so these credits are confusing.

First is someone was to make up a child or lie about there age, I just don't understand why someone would do that. If you have a child at the age of 3 and they are free and you lie and say they are 4 to get extra credits, then don't you now have to pay for a park ticket when before it was free??? (again I don't have kids and don't know the ages of being free and stuff so bare with me)

I think that each card should have their number of credits on it instead of it being pooled together. And like someone else said, the kid credits should have a different card so when they order it can only go for a child meal and not an adult. SInce there is a big price difference between child and adult it's only fair.

The only problem I can think of is if all the credits are individual on each card...then when you go for a nice dinner and you are a family of 4 you have to give the waitress all 4 tickets and she would have to scan each of them? Seems like more work for them.
 
maxaroni said:
It's too much food for my ds12 and if we pd, OOP for his 'child' meal, we planned on using those credits to do a character breakfast on our last day.

Someone can correct me if I misunderstood the rumored change, but I think that you and dianemb are still okay. They are not going to crack down on OOP, but rather crack down on using child credits for adults. Since your ds is 12 and technically will be adult on the dining plan, you can use his credits for anyone's meals.

MandM-Mom said:
That does not really make sense because everyone in your party has to have MYW tickets, and they all have to be the same so if you make up a child or age a child older you have to figure in the cost of their park tix. Not really the best way to save money!!!

You are correct that they still have to purchase those tickets...but they don't have to use them. They can activate them at a later point..ie-use them on another trip. And correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't they also re-sell the unactivated passes?! People have come up with all kinds of interesting ways to get "free credits". But I think these methods are some of the less popular ways.

MandM-Mom said:
We used the MYW plus dining and did use our dd4 meals for us, she shared every meal with me, she eats about 2 bites and is done, what a waste of a meal that would be if we got her her own dinner and dessert and app every night, very wasteful!!

Then the dining plan is not a good option for you. Disney never said that everyone had to use the plan or even that it could benefit everyone...it was just an option. If you really feel that it is unreasonable to expect a 4 yr old girl to eat that much food, then that is a separate issue that has nothing to do with using child credits for adults. If your daughter truly eats that little, then I guess it's a good thing it only costs $10. At $10, the plan is almost half paid for with the 3 drinks alone (on snack drink, one cs drink and one ts drink).


For those that don't want to call it fraud...I think Lewisc hit the nail on the head. One misrepresents their credits by calling them an adult credit when it is only a child credit. Just because it's pooled, it doesn't change what type of credit it is...Now Disney is updating their system to recognize the credits as they should be presented. Flame suit on!
 
All good points - I'd just like to add - for those paying $10 for a child dining plan, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you'd probably spend more on that for the child eating two meals and a snack per day anyway. So it does seem fair that a child dining plan credit would only be good for children's meals.

And that does not mean the adult could not eat some of the children's meals....
 
I couldn't agree more, this plan was sold to people with the information
that all the adult and childrens meal credits would be pooled. The first time
we did Disney 4 years ago we bought the meal plan, 2 sitdown meals a day.

It was the waitstaff that advises us to just pay for DD age 4's P&J sandwich
and use the credits for some signature restraunts. I would be very sorry to
see them change the policy after some of us have already bought the plan.

If disney does make that change,it should start in a year or some amount of time that gives us more notice I think that would be more fair. Remember you
are paying rack rates for the room and the tickets to get the privilege of
the dinning plan which in turn insures all your meal money stays at Disney
(no eating off site). I was looking at some notes I made several years ago
3- years ago I think- for room only prices with some code that I had, they were WL $119.00 standard $139.00 courtyard, Contempory $159.00
garden view, AKL $119.00 standard, $159.00 savanah view. My point is
I love Disney- but it is very expensive and going up all the time. The meal
plan is a help but taking away the pooling of meal credits would be like
another price increase to my already expensive vacation and I think it
should only be done - if at all- with plenty of notice!!!

Wintermom
Sept 22-26 WL on the meal plan (paying for the meal plan, not the free offer)
 
There are a lot of situations that aren't being taken into account, though.

For example, say the Smith familiy wants to eat at the Hoop De Doo review. It's 2 credits, but the adult price is roughly $50 and the child price is $25.

So, if they pay for the kids out of pocket at, say, Sci Fi and 50s Prime Time where the kids meals are less expensive (like $5) it would allow them to all go to the Hoop De Doo together on the MYW dining program.

As far as it being a scam to the Disney people, if you calculate some of the better sit down places, you can easily reach the $50/$25 mark with a smoothie, appetizer, dessert, steak kids dinner, etc. on the meal plan. (For example, Concourse Steakhouse or Les Cellier). There are going to be families who want to eat somewhere like 50s Prime Time who will spend far less on a meal than those who eat at a steakhouse - and there are times when our family will eat a big meal at a sit down and some days we won't go to the most expensive place on the menu. Either way, we have the allowance within the program to spend a fortune, if we went to Les Cellier every night. I mean, if we got the most expensive appetizer ($13 each), the $37 prime rib, and the $12 signature dessert - with drinks...plus all three of our kids got the $9 kids steak and the $7 dessert we would spend like $175 before tip and taxes. The most expensive meals we could eat at 50s Prime Time is $83. The Hoop de Doo review is $175 as well. But - it's two credits.

I guess my long, rambly not making too much sense point is - sometimes we just try to "maximize" it and really don't end up saving any money in the long run. If we pay for the kids at one restaurant to have another restaurant dinner, I don't see how Disney is out any additional money - especially when you consider that we're then paying *cash* out of pocket for the extra items (and gratiuty on these items).

And, while we (and some families) will be eating mac and cheese ($5) others will be having grilled chicken and steak ($7-$9) for their kids when we use the TS credits.

It's all a crap shoot - just depends on who orders what, which restaurant you pick, and how much they can eat.

Also, our three year old is a passholder and we have to pay for her tiny self, even though she sleeps *in* our bed and weighs 20-something pounds. She's considered a resort guest, she's considered someone who should pay admission, etc - and we do all that, of course. BUT - she doesn't eat. I mean, literally a banana and a handful of cheerios. She's a toddler. So, we'll have all her credits but there is NO way she'll eat all that food. She, at best, shares with her 5 year old sister who has sensory issues and will not/cannot eat certain foods. I mean the two of them can share a grilled cheese sandwich at Sonic and it doesn't get finished.

Is it fair that these children are counted at the same rate as the 7 year old who can eat a steak, baked potato, and dessert - plus?

I understand what some of you are saying, but I think there are many shades of grey in all of this. Whatever Disney decides we'll have to abide by, but it isn't necessarily "fraud" to swap around some meals. Especially when you consider that in the past three years I have paid Disney WELL over $9,000 for our three trips. And we haven't even arrived on that third trip. Is the admission price "fair"? Is the resort price "fair"? (I mean, we can stay offsite in a Ramada Inn Kidsuite for $72/night all as a family - we can't even stay in ONE room onsite because of our family size).

If we were using our AP rate, we couldn't get the dining. The AP rate would have saved us a lot, but we wanted the convenience of the dining package. The dining package, though, we had to pay full price for the resort AND buy one day tickets that we won't use.

Like someone else said - they know what they're doing. They get our money either way ;). Whether they give us some discount on our rooms, or tickets, or whatever we end up typically spending the same amount.
If we have a budget of $3000, and we "save" by not paying for dining, don't we usually make it up in souveniers - or special events - or other things we might not have spent the money on? It's just a shift in where we're paying them.
 
I feel confident that Disney has always said that the plan is subject to change at any time.
 
Bete said:
Sorry, the credits and the program were not designed for families to take advantage of child credits as adult credits. The attitude of this being ok is shocking to me. These same parents are teaching their children not to lie, cheat, steal, etc. I'm taking the high ground on this one!

oh puuuh-leeze!

The high ROAD by trying to insult the parents here and making personal attacks, accusations, and assumptions about the examples set for our children?
Nice.
Nice high road.

Sorry - I don't see this as lying, cheating, or stealing at all. Particularly since so many of the Walt Disney staff advocates this - servers, CRO employees, etc. I guess we're all just fraudulent thieves raising criminals in our twisted society. Gosh, I wish I could take the high road like you.
:earboy2:
 
I agree with you Bete. I have no problem with sharing/splitting meals but the whole "Im paying OOP for my kids so we can use their child credits for adult meals" isnt something I agree with and I hope it does change so that an adult cant use a childs credit.
 
Bete said:
Sorry, the credits and the program were not designed for families to take advantage of child credits as adult credits. The attitude of this being ok is shocking to me. These same parents are teaching their children not to lie, cheat, steal, etc. I'm taking the high ground on this one!

From what i've read here, the wait staff is advising families of how to do this. Personally, I wouldn't sit around and try to figure all this out to save a few bucks. I think Disney knows that they will lose money with some big eater families and will make a ton of money on others. I'm sure many families leave WDW with credits still available.

I don't think these people are sitting there saying "OK kids we just got some free meals from Disney, woohoo, we stole without getting in trouble! Now let's go jump the line at Space Mountain."
 
ksjayhawkfan said:
I agree with you Bete. I have no problem with sharing/splitting meals but the whole "Im paying OOP for my kids so we can use their child credits for adult meals" isnt something I agree with and I hope it does change so that an adult cant use a childs credit.


OT - I just noticed your picture. That is so cute with Tink in the kid's hands! Did you get that at the Epcot place? Gotta have it!
 
Sorry, the credits and the program were not designed for families to take advantage of child credits as adult credits. The attitude of this being ok is shocking to me. These same parents are teaching their children not to lie, cheat, steal, etc. I'm taking the high ground on this one! I'm not perfect, but this is blantantly wrong.

If something isn't done about this, the plan will be dropped or go up in cost to the point of not wanting to do it anymore for most people. It's not fair to everyone else to ruin such a nice program.

I'm discouraged to see such practices coming from what should be holsum families, especially church goers. I know you are smart enough to know this is wrong. It's sad that Disney has to control all the loop holes and abuses done by the tourists. If the program was designed to be all adult credits only, there would be no necessity to differentiate the two and obviously Disney did not have that intention when the program was started.

I'm enjoying the free dining plan promotion coming up, but I couldn't believe the amount of scheming that was going on to get extra, non-existant people onto the plan to get more credits. Also, AP holders buying one day of tickets to get free dining for all for the entire length of their stay was dissappointing, too. Technically, you can do it, but it stretches the point of the promotion.

I'm sure, if a change goes through by Disney, there will be a grandfather clause for those who are already in the program before they make this change official.

Okay, now you can tell me how wrong I am.......
 
Bete said:
Sorry, the credits and the program were not designed for families to take advantage of child credits as adult credits. The attitude of this being ok is shocking to me. These same parents are teaching their children not to lie, cheat, steal, etc. I'm taking the high ground on this one!

ITA - and even if CM's said to switch credits around doesn't make it right. I wouldn't plan my vacation using child credits for adult meals regardless of who eats what because in my opinion, that isn't what they are for and they could always crack down on that at any time which looks to me what they are doing.
 
I have no problem if they choose to make this change, $10 is not unreasonable to feed my kid for the whole day and he is only 3 so we probably get the least bang for the buck. When we first looked into the plan this is how we understood it. I do not however believe it has been fraud to use a child credit for an adult and pay out of pocket for the kid meal if disney has informed the guest that they may do that. It is disney's plan and they can run it how they wish. Any time a guest has paid only for the kid meal and used the plan for the others it is completely obvious what they were doing and disney is allowing it. Otherwise they would say, sorry but you are on the plan and you child needs to use their credits to cover their meal. I do believe it is wrong to make up a kid, it would not really be cost effective anyhow as everyone in the ressie must have the same MYW ticket, so even if you only buy one day tickets for everyone, you would still have to buy other tickets if you wanted to go more than one day to the parks, and the tickets get progressively cheaper the more days and so for a 5 day trip you are now paying and extra 21 dollars a day for your made up kid. Very complicated and wrong. But to say that others who have been using the plan as disney has designed it and allowed and offerd them to use it are scamming is ridiculous and I hope there is not someone out there who did pay OOP for their kids meals is not thinking the did something wrong or that they are now going the way of someone using their refillable mug at 3 different resorts. I do hope though that one would be allowed to share meals still. For example I could use one of my credits and order my allotment and allow my husband to share the food with me (in non-buffett environments) and the next time he could use his. Sometimes we would just not want to eat that much food with the heat and what not. Anyway we love to go to disney not matter what the situation with the dinning plan.
 
I sincerely hope they only break this down by adult and child pool. We'll be going with 4 adults in September. My sister and I are both light eaters. We'd like for her to be able to order the app, entree, and dessert. I will order an entree separately from the plan using my DDE and we'll split the app and dessert. This will allow us to go to Brown Derby for one meal. It's not that we're trying to cheat the system we just can't eat as much as they give.
 
I guess I don't understand the whole dynamics of the cost/savings...SO many people write their reports up and say the food is wasted, they can't eat that much etc...why not get the discounted room instead of rack rate and dining plan.....and if you have AP's get the DDE card as an additional savings? The dining plan savings must be really huge!


hmm....<----needs to search on savings benefit
 


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