Changes to Home Resort Rules and Regulations?

[doconeill]

I happened to hit the DVC Member site, and the top "Latest News" item:

Home Resort Rules and Regulations

Please review the revised Home Resort Rules and Regulations with changes pertaining to the rights and limitations of an Associate and a minor change to the Banking Home Resort Vacation Points section.

The link to the regulations is a PDF with today's date on it, so I'm guessing its new. But they don't itemize what the changes are - anybody notice a difference?

 

[SSR]

Is the reference to extended banking privileges to first year owners new?

 

[erionm]

I believe that most if not all of the following in regards to an Associate Member is new:

Associates are subject to all the rules and regulations to which Club Members are subject, including, without limitation, the prohibition of the use of Vacation Accommodations for commercial purposes. Associates are also subject to the following:
a. Associates may only be Associates for a maximum of four (4) Memberships.
b. The adding of an Associate to a Club Member’s account is subject to the sole and absolute discretion of DVCMC.
c. An Associate can be removed from a Club Member’s account, by DVCMC in its sole and absolute discretion, for violating Disney Vacation Club rules.

 

[DebbieB]

I've heard that there are some brokers out there who will rent points for you. To do it, you have to name them as an associate on your account. Looks like this new rule is trying to stop that.

 

[katmittens]

I don't see anything different about home resort banking. Am I missing something or maybe I don't get it. Please help.

 

[vicki_c]

I've heard that there are some brokers out there who will rent points for you. To do it, you have to name them as an associate on your account. Looks like this new rule is trying to stop that.

Agree with that - that's the 1st thing I thought of as well.

 

[bobbiwoz]

I've heard that there are some brokers out there who will rent points for you. To do it, you have to name them as an associate on your account. Looks like this new rule is trying to stop that.

I agree!

 

[Deb & Bill]

That may put someone we know out of business, unless he has a few more people working for him who can do the calling and give their name and SSN.

But even if he drops his name off an account, it seems DVC can still say "NO" to him being added to a different account and still have only four.

 

[5forDiz]

I can't seem to get the pdf to load even though we've got adobe. Anyone have the info on Banking as of yet ?

tia

 

[drusba]

One problem I am having is that it has been a long time since I actually read these and thus some changes simply reflect that it has been a couple years since I actually reviewed them and so I do not know whether some changes I am seeing are now formal additons to the main document which for me were just prior notices of the changes in the last couple years -- examples are the mentioning of RCI in spots, the change to the eight month banking window, changes to wait lists.

As far as what would actually be new, and something I was not aware of before, it is the restrictions added for associate members (such as attaching to no more than 4 memberships mentioned above) seemingly designed to curb those brokers that have cropped up who do renting by becoming assocaite members to an account, and, as to the banking, the addition of the sentence mentioned above that Disney can provide an extended banking period to first year owners, which is something that Disney has always been doing when the new purchaser gets points beyond the banking deadline, but not something I recall actually seeing in this document before.

 

[jdg345]

I've heard that there are some brokers out there who will rent points for you. To do it, you have to name them as an associate on your account. Looks like this new rule is trying to stop that.

That was exactly my thinking as well: Cut back on commercial-type renting that may be cutting into Disney's sales.

I can think of a few people that would be adversely affected by this change.

Does the POS allow for this restriction to be added on though? ie: Could it be retroactive? Or could some members be grandfathered in?

 

[tjkraz]

That was exactly my thinking as well: Cut back on commercial-type renting that may be cutting into Disney's sales.

I can think of a few people that would be adversely affected by this change.

Does the POS allow for this restriction to be added on though? ie: Could it be retroactive? Or could some members be grandfathered in?

The POS doesn't guarantee any specific terms for Associate member status so I don't see this as going against any prior regs. Renting is still permissible but I agree at least one enterprise could be adversely impacted by this.

This seems to be just the latest of several moves aimed at those who have profited from large-scale DVC point transactions. I don't think your typical DVC member who may have to rent points from time-to-time has any real reason to worry. But this seems to be yet another warning for those who have higher aspirations.

 

[Good Ol Gal]

One problem I am having is that it has been a long time since I actually read these

me too.

Is this new??

Minimum Stay. The current minimum stay at any DVC Resort is one (1) Use Day. However, DVCMC may require, from time to time, that a minimum number of consecutive Use Days for a particular season or special season be reserved. The number of consecutive Use Days required to be reserved shall in no event exceed five (5) Use Days.

 

[crisi]

Nope the five days is in your original contract.

 

[bwvBound]

One difference I see comparing the new version against the April 2008 version is the following line added to the end of section 5.a:

From time to time, DVCMC may provide for extended banking rights to Club Members during their first Use Year.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Interesting document. I know I've read most of the information but a few things seem different or new or are just standing out for some reason.

First - as was mentioned is the stating of a possible minimum reservation of 5 days max. I remember them stating about being able to impose a minimum but didn't remember a number.

Second - stating that if a non-member stays in the unit and the member does not charge for the rental then they are eligible for all or some privileges or benefits. So often it's stated on these boards that if you are not the member then you are not eligible. If you charge for the rental then you're supposed to notify MS and the renters are not eligible.

Third - the whole special season scenarios and being able to book at 13 months for home resort and others for 12 months. What's that about? I know they used to have a lottery for the Christmas period but didn't know it had different booking periods.

Fourth - finally having in a document about the two waitlists, 8 month banking etc.

Finally - this is something I knew but I have a hard time understanding. If you cancel the day your reservation starts you forfeit all points for the total stay. Why have that when there's no such penalty if you cancel one day ahead of time (other than a holding period). And same thing if you need to depart early. All points are forfeit. If there was more of a penalty for cancellations then it would make some sense to me but this never has.

 

[drusba]

Interesting document. I know I've read most of the information but a few things seem different or new or are just standing out for some reason.

First - as was mentioned is the stating of a possible minimum reservation of 5 days max. I remember them stating about being able to impose a minimum but didn't remember a number.

Second - stating that if a non-member stays in the unit and the member does not charge for the rental then they are eligible for all or some privileges or benefits. So often it's stated on these boards that if you are not the member then you are not eligible. If you charge for the rental then you're supposed to notify MS and the renters are not eligible.

Third - the whole special season scenarios and being able to book at 13 months for home resort and others for 12 months. What's that about? I know they used to have a lottery for the Christmas period but didn't know it had different booking periods.

Fourth - finally having in a document about the two waitlists, 8 month banking etc.

Finally - this is something I knew but I have a hard time understanding. If you cancel the day your reservation starts you forfeit all points for the total stay. Why have that when there's no such penalty if you cancel one day ahead of time (other than a holding period). And same thing if you need to depart early. All points are forfeit. If there was more of a penalty for cancellations then it would make some sense to me but this never has.

As to your first item I do remember that one being around forever.

As to your second item, that one might be an additonal change because I also don't remember the distinction between non-paying guests and renters being made in prior documents.

Third point, special season has always been in there although I am not sure exact words are the same. Christmas time was a special season designation for years way back when. It was not actually a lottery. You could call and ask to be put on the Christmas list for a chosen room size and resort up to two years in advance and you could do it for any resort including ones other than your home. Then about a year or little more out, they would start calling people on the list in the order they got on it and ask them to confirm their reservation and did that until places were full or the list ran out. If, when called, you turned down the reservation you had requested to be put on the list for, and did that a couple of times (cannot remember exact number), you could be barred for some years thereafter from being able to go on the list. They stopped Christmas as a special season mainly because it was such a hassle in both effort and time for MS to deal with. There has never been any other special season.

Fourth point, like you this is the first time I have seen the full document with the changes that have been made in the last few years and I don't think we got notice of a new document until now -- the prior changes were just notified separately.

As to your "Finally," I know it has always been in there but I also never understood the big difference between cancelling day before than day of trip for effect on forfeiture of points.

 

[tjkraz]

Second - stating that if a non-member stays in the unit and the member does not charge for the rental then they are eligible for all or some privileges or benefits. So often it's stated on these boards that if you are not the member then you are not eligible. If you charge for the rental then you're supposed to notify MS and the renters are not eligible.

That clause has also been around as long as I can remember. Apparently if you tell Member Services that the reservation is a rental, they can actually arrange for the "DVC Member" notation to be omitted from the room key. The occupant would then not be eligible for any member perks.

Of course, there's little motivation for members to ever do this. Sounds much better to advertise the rental as including "access to most DVC member perks!"

 

[keys2kingdom]

I've heard that there are some brokers out there who will rent points for you. To do it, you have to name them as an associate on your account. Looks like this new rule is trying to stop that.

Interesting, very interesting.

 

[LoveKermit]

Here come the newbie questions.....

Why would I ever allow a broker to talk me into letting him be an associate on my account? (Granted, I'm not an owner, I'm an associate, but I'm a daughter-in-law).

What sort of "perks" come with having the DVC designation on your card? I assume something with the Community Halls, but anything else?

Sorry for the hijack....