CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[gwynne]

BREAKING: The Biden administration just announced that the US government will begin to distribute vaccine DIRECTLY to pharmacies.

I think this will be a game changer. Good news!

 

[Jonfw2]

I think this will be a game changer. Good news!

Common sense- who knew?

 

[wenrob]

I don't disagree. But having said that, this drop- whatever's causing it- is going to help A LOT timing-wise. It buys us valuable time to get needles in arms.

Oh absolutely. I think wanting to know the ‘why’ of the drop is a way of wanting to implement whatever it is and use it along with the vaccines. Our rise was just insane and fast. At one point we were near the top of the list. In 2.5 months we lost as many people as we had the rest of the pandemic. Now all of a sudden it’s steadily dropping at almost the same rate. It’s just kind of baffling. I really believe the J&J vax is going to be the game changer especially if our rates continue to fall. Like, I have hope. Even fantasizing about going to visit my DD over Spring Break or thereabouts.

 

[Jonfw2]

Amazing update from Israel: in EVERY category, people UNDER 60 are fairing worse than people over 60. What’s the reason? Simple: most Israelis over 60 have now been vaccinated.

 

[Colleen27]

Oh absolutely. I think wanting to know the ‘why’ of the drop is a way of wanting to implement whatever it is and use it along with the vaccines. Our rise was just insane and fast. At one point we were near the top of the list. In 2.5 months we lost as many people as we had the rest of the pandemic. Now all of a sudden it’s steadily dropping at almost the same rate. It’s just kind of baffling. I really believe the J&J vax is going to be the game changer especially if our rates continue to fall. Like, I have hope. Even fantasizing about going to visit my DD over Spring Break or thereabouts.

It actually looks remarkably like a pattern we have seen before. This is a graph from the 1918/19 flu pandemic, next to a graph of this pandemic:




Aside from the fact that covid is less seasonal than influenza and didn't give us as significant a summer lull as the 1918 flu, the pattern is pretty comparable thus far. And that pandemic ended without vaccination. Hopefully the roll-out of the vaccine for covid-19 will prevent that third peak from occurring, or at least from being significant in severity.

 

[Jonfw2]

It actually looks remarkably like a pattern we have seen before. This is a graph from the 1918/19 flu pandemic, next to a graph of this pandemic:

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Aside from the fact that covid is less seasonal than influenza and didn't give us as significant a summer lull as the 1918 flu, the pattern is pretty comparable thus far. And that pandemic ended without vaccination. Hopefully the roll-out of the vaccine for covid-19 will prevent that third peak from occurring, or at least from being significant in severity.

That is FASCINATING. Thank you!

 

[TLSnell1981]

Common sense- who knew?

Isn't that exactly what was done in Florida?

 

[Jonfw2]

Isn't that exactly what was done in Florida?

Yes. Some of the states- West Virginia too- relied heavily on pharmacies with great results. But this is the first time the Feds have leapfrogged the states with supply and gone straight to distributors.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Yes. Some of the states- West Virginia too- relied heavily on pharmacies with great results. But this is the first time the Feds have leapfrogged the states with supply and gone straight to distributors.

Yes, I know other states have been successful using pharmacies. Not sure how good the new distribution will work out. They always seem to screw things up.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Isn't that exactly what was done in Florida?

West Virginia is the only state that did not join the Federal program for long-term care facilities with CVS and Walgreens. As I read about it they didn't have as many of those in their state but had more independent pharmacies. They opted to go that route of independent pharmacies and it's worked for them.

I did like the theory of CVS and Walgreens doing it, they are located generally speaking in many places, but I think the issue was the lack of ability to flex things. I know MO pulled about 25,000 doses from CVS and Walgreens to redistribute out to the state. It wasn't that they were short-changing CVS and Walgreens but that those were excess doses. I don't really blame CVS and Walgreens because they do well in flu vaccine so it's not as if they are inexperienced but rather the inability to share the vaccine with other areas. It created a built-in slowdown process.

 

[Pyotr]

This was an interesting read. India’s cases have plummeted and they have no real idea why.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...e-mystery-of-indias-plummeting-covid-19-cases

This is from a Telegraph article on India’s case decline....


“specialists now believe cases are falling because some neighbourhoods in India’s megacities are approaching herd immunity and this is slowing the spread of the virus.

A sero-prevalence survey conducted in January in 11 districts in New Delhi found that over 50 per cent of the 25,000 participants already had antibodies against Covid-19, which are developed once the body successfully fights off infection.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...-record-fall-covid-cases-amid-hopes-pandemic/

 

[Jonfw2]

This is from a Telegraph article on India’s case decline....


“specialists now believe cases are falling because some neighbourhoods in India’s megacities are approaching herd immunity and this is slowing the spread of the virus.

A sero-prevalence survey conducted in January in 11 districts in New Delhi found that over 50 per cent of the 25,000 participants already had antibodies against Covid-19, which are developed once the body successfully fights off infection.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...-record-fall-covid-cases-amid-hopes-pandemic/

Thank you- tons and tons of undiagnosed cases is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Thank you- tons and tons of undiagnosed cases is the only thing that makes sense.

Yes and simple precautions are also helpful.... distancing, hygiene, etc.

 

[gwynne]

Yes. Some of the states- West Virginia too- relied heavily on pharmacies with great results. But this is the first time the Feds have leapfrogged the states with supply and gone straight to distributors.

Shipping direct to pharmacies will speed things along.
They are well accustomed to receiving medication and various vaccine deliveries.
It will be a big plus to them in scheduling appts and planning staff.

 

[Jonfw2]

Shipping direct to pharmacies will speed things along.
They are well accustomed to receiving medication and various vaccine deliveries.
It will be a big plus to them in scheduling appts and planning staff.

This is one of the things about this that sounds like it doesn't make sense but actually does- why would places like CVS, and Kroeger, and Walgreen's be better at this than The Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, and Cleveland Clinic?

Simple answer: it's what they do.

 

[TLSnell1981]

This is one of the things about this that sounds like it doesn't make sense but actually does- why would places like CVS, and Kroeger, and Walgreen's be better at this than The Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, and Cleveland Clinic?

Simple answer: it's what they do.

There should be options. One size never fits all i.e. lockdowns..

 

[Jonfw2]

There should be options. One size never fits all i.e. lockdowns..

No doubt- the more the better. But I really like the new admin's willingness to look at what's working and do more of that.

 

[TLSnell1981]

No doubt- the more the better. But I really like the new admin's willingness to look at what's working and do more of that.

Not a fan. It's never works out the way it was supposedly intended. Less flexibility and more red tape.

 

[Jonfw2]

Not a fan. It's never works out the way it was supposedly intended. Less flexibility and more red tape.

Please explain.

 

[gwynne]

No doubt- the more the better. But I really like the new admin's willingness to look at what's working and do more of that.

It's going to take an all hands on deck approach to turn this around.
Let's hope we are in a much better place come summer.