CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[dvcgirl67]

https://www.wired.com/story/trumps-miracle-cure-for-covid-is-a-logistical-nightmare/
Here's a good article that discusses why "the treatment will not cost anything" doesn't guarantee it won't cost anything, or even that you can get it. Not trying to argue, but more to say that there is theoretical "cost free" and there's the reality of implementation.

Some of it boils down even to our poor track record of testing. If you can't get test results back quickly, the window for treatment may be closed by the time you find out you're a candidate. Some is supplies (availability and cost) and where/who will do the infusion. Some is who decides who gets the first "free" 300,000 doses? Remdesivir turned out to have no uniform distribution or treatment priorities (which I already knew from hospital staff discussions.)

Exactly, it's not as easy as hopping in your personal helicopter, flying to your private hospital wing and demanding that your team of (mostly) world renowned physicians gives you the latest experimental drug on a "compassionate use" basis.....now.

Listen, I hope this product saves a lot of people. I would just like to skip the giant helping of B.S. when it comes to COVID treatments and just the cavalier tossing out of free therapeutics for all Americans who want/need such treatment. Not only is it not true, it's also incredibly heartless and cruel.

 

[Jonfw2]

https://www.wired.com/story/trumps-miracle-cure-for-covid-is-a-logistical-nightmare/
Here's a good article that discusses why "the treatment will not cost anything" doesn't guarantee it won't cost anything, or even that you can get it. Not trying to argue, but more to say that there is theoretical "cost free" and there's the reality of implementation.

Some of it boils down even to our poor track record of testing. If you can't get test results back quickly, the window for treatment may be closed by the time you find out you're a candidate. Some is supplies (availability and cost) and where/who will do the infusion. Some is who decides who gets the first "free" 300,000 doses? Remdesivir turned out to have no uniform distribution or treatment priorities (which I already knew from hospital staff discussions.)

No doubt, the process will be tricky at first. The standard for early implementation must be "best effort" and then over time, as with Remdesivir, we will get better and better with the supply chaining.

 

[okeydokey]

Hmmm

 

[dvcgirl67]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...hnson-coronavirus-vaccine-pause-bn/index.html

 

[godisney14]

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099(20)30764-7

First known reinfection case in the US, but fifth such case documented worldwide. The second case caused worse symptoms in this American patient as happened in the other global reinfection cases.

 

[Jonfw2]

No major shock on the JnJ news. I think it's telling that after months of multiple vaccine trials there have been so very few major illnesses.

 

[Pyotr]

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099(20)30764-7

First known reinfection case in the US, but fifth such case documented worldwide. The second case caused worse symptoms in this American patient as happened in the other global reinfection cases.

5 out of 35,000,000? I’ll take those odds any day.

 

[dvcgirl67]

No major shock on the JnJ news. I think it's telling that after months of multiple vaccine trials there have been so very few major illnesses.

No, it's not major news, it happens, and it's very good news that we're hearing about it. The reality is that by the spring/summer, the U.S. will have a few vaccines on the market. Then will come the debate about which one is more effective...etc.

 

[Jonfw2]

No, it's not major news, it happens, and it's very good news that we're hearing about it. The reality is that by the spring/summer, the U.S. will have a few vaccines on the market. Then will come the debate about which one is more effective...etc.

Absolutely agreed. And that is a good argument to have!

 

[aggiedog]

Boy, I hope so. I am so ready to travel again. And see friends. And eat out. And not wear a mask. And...(fill in the blank.) LOL

 

[godisney14]

5 out of 35,000,000? I’ll take those odds any day.

Not going to argue that it is a common occurrence.
But, you do realize you need genomic sequencing of the initial case sample in the denominator of your proportion to make that conclusion. How do you think researchers were able to document these first five cases, and why it’s difficult to document such cases?

 

[RamblingMad]

I am curious who decides and what the deciding factors are on who gets this.

It boils down to how rich and connected you are.

 

[wvjules]

It boils down to how rich and connected you are.

No. Everyone gets it. For free.

 

[mom2rtk]

I am curious who decides and what the deciding factors are on who gets this.

Well, half the people here said they don't want it, so maybe it won't be as hard as you think.

 

[aggiedog]

I think it will be free, but it will be rationed initially since they can't make that many doses right off the bat. I'm hoping front line providers, high risk jobs, the elderly. Let's hope by the time it's available for distribution the government will have a clear rationale for how they distribute it.

 

[Jonfw2]

I think it will be free, but it will be rationed initially since they can't make that many doses right off the bat. I'm hoping front line providers, high risk jobs, the elderly. Let's hope by the time it's available for distribution the government will have a clear rationale for how they distribute it.

The Federal Government sent out requirements to all fifty states and a number of major cities that they have plans for distribution by this month.

 

[okeydokey]

The Federal Government sent out requirements to all fifty states and a number of major cities that they have plans for distribution by this month.

There will be no vaccine distribution this month. The Federal Govt also knows this to be the case, but it is an election year and they have politicized this.

 

[Jonfw2]

There will be no vaccine distribution this month. The Federal Govt also knows this to be the case, but it is an election year and they have politicized this.

So you're against them being prepared early?

 

[dvcgirl67]

There will be no vaccine distribution this month. The Federal Govt also knows this to be the case, but it is an election year and they have politicized this.

Yup, I really believe that the four Pharma companies responsible for the vaccine candidates for the U.S. are not going to announce anything before the election, even if they completed phase 3. To make an announcement before the election would be a big mistake. It will backfire and will only cause more mistrust in the first vaccine out than there already will be in this incredibly divisive environment. It's going to be hard enough as it is to convince enough Americans to get this vaccine. So much damage has been done in attacking science and pubic health.

 

[Jonfw2]

Yup, I really believe that the four Pharma companies responsible for the vaccine candidates for the U.S. are not going to announce anything before the election, even if they completed phase 3. To make an announcement before the election would be a big mistake. It will backfire and will only cause more mistrust in the first vaccine out than there already will be in this incredibly divisive environment. It's going to be hard enough as it is to convince enough Americans to get this vaccine. So much damage has been done in attacking science and pubic health.

Interesting observation. Having said that, I find it almost impossible that something won't be leaked before the election with news as to how one or more of the studies have gone.